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U.S. Embassy opens in Jerusalem
May 14, 2018, 12:53 PM
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"We believe, it is possible for both sides to gain more than they give – so that all people can live in peace – safe from danger, free from fear, and able to pursue their dreams." Jared Kushner at opening ceremony today.
Meanwhile, 52 Palestinians protesters were killed, 770 injured from gunfire by Israeli forces while protesting. This is so unnecessary.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/u-s-embassy-gaza-protests-and-nakba-day-live-updates-1.6078190
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"Protesting" is an awfully loose term isn't it?***
May 14, 2018, 12:55 PM
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Re: "Protesting" is an awfully loose term isn't it?***
May 14, 2018, 1:05 PM
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You tell me. Below is a sniper cam video shot by Israeli Defense forces last month. The voices you hear are Israeli Military speaking Hebrew. The person shot is Palestinian.
Graphic, NSFW
https://youtu.be/EjTkJIPKj80
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its ok because Fundamentalist Baptists think
May 14, 2018, 1:08 PM
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Israel is going to rebuild the Temple and then Jesus will return.
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Re: its ok because Fundamentalist Baptists think
May 14, 2018, 1:12 PM
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You are correct. And since God sanctioned the massacre of the Canaanites, then what the Israeli's do to the Palestinians is a non-isssue.
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Re: its ok because Fundamentalist Baptists think
May 14, 2018, 1:19 PM
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I'm certainly not a Fundamentalist Baptist by any stretch. I'm simply saying that they have a right to protect their border with deadly force if they see fit.
And no the IDF should not be picking people off for sport. That is wrong.
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and the US has a right to criticize their behavior***
May 14, 2018, 1:22 PM
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exactly***
May 14, 2018, 1:27 PM
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Re: I don't disagree.
May 14, 2018, 1:39 PM
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I've conceded that it is wrong. I guess I don't know what the answer is.. There is an inherent violence there 24/7 in the name of whichever God they worship.
That is ironic isn't it. I saw the same thing between the Catholics and Protestants in N. Ireland.
I always thought killing in the name of God was like having sex in the name of virginity. Just doesn't make sense to me.
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Nor does it to me.
May 14, 2018, 1:41 PM
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But it sure has been the standard for the last well forever.
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It's more political and economic than religious.
May 14, 2018, 1:46 PM
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Israel is annexing territory due to military conquest. And Israel is perpetuating the pauperization of Palestinians with callous policies. And the US is perfectly ok with it.
Until Palestinians are able to have a say in their own political futures this will continue to be bloody.
Israel is ethnically cleansing certain portions of the West Bank and "quarantining" Gaza. They know that once Israeli settlers move in and become established, it becomes impractical for the UN to make them leave. They have gained a LOT of ground this way.
Many in Israel (Netanyahu) see Palestinians as an obstacle for a "greater" Israel. This is why they are always testing the limits of international pressure. Move as fast as possible towards settling the whole area.
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incredibly shortsighted move
May 14, 2018, 12:58 PM
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that blood is on Trump's and Jared's hands
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Re: incredibly shortsighted move
May 14, 2018, 12:59 PM
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Israel has been promised this move for decades from the US.
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yeah and we've been promising to recognize the
May 14, 2018, 1:01 PM
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Palestine as a state. I won't hold my breath
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culpability for being shot at?***
May 14, 2018, 1:01 PM
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You don't really believe
May 14, 2018, 1:03 PM
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that they are just innocently walking around and getting shot at do you? I'm not sure why the rest of the world continues to cater to an Iranian backed Hamas.. but everyone is supposed to.
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I don't believe they deserve to be shot!***
May 14, 2018, 1:05 PM
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Re: I don't believe they deserve to be shot!***
May 14, 2018, 1:12 PM
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I'm not for randomly shooting innocent people either.. They have set up a "border" granted it's a border inside of their own country, for the simple reason that there is a Muslim extremist group on the other side of the fence conducting a violent protest.
They are tasked with protecting their own people while 35000 people try to bum rush their position in a violent protest, what do you expect to happen?
I don't pretend to know the answer to the situation, but Israel has every right as a sovereign nation to declare their own capital city.
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can we declare our capital to be Toronto?***
May 14, 2018, 1:17 PM
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Depends on which side you ask...
May 14, 2018, 1:27 PM
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Israel would say that they won the territory in war. The UN disagrees, and it will go round and round.
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Israel doesn't say that. A minority of extremists do.
May 14, 2018, 1:32 PM
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While the international community regards East Jerusalem, including the entire Old City, as part of the occupied Palestinian territories, neither part, West or East Jerusalem, is recognized as part of the territory of Israel or the State of Palestine. Under the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine adopted by the General Assembly of the United Nations in 1947, Jerusalem was envisaged to become a corpus separatum administered by the United Nations. In the war of 1948, the western part of the city was occupied by forces of the nascent state of Israel, while the eastern part was occupied by Jordan. The international community largely considers the legal status of Jerusalem to derive from the partition plan, and correspondingly refuses to recognize Israeli sovereignty over the city.
Status under Israeli rule
Supreme Court of Israel
Following the 1967 Six-Day War, Israel extended its jurisdiction and administration over East Jerusalem, establishing new municipal borders.
In 2010, Israel approved legislation giving Jerusalem the highest national priority status in Israel. The law prioritized construction throughout the city, and offered grants and tax benefits to residents to make housing, infrastructure, education, employment, business, tourism, and cultural events more affordable. Communications Minister Moshe Kahlon said that the bill sent "a clear, unequivocal political message that Jerusalem will not be divided", and that "all those within the Palestinian and international community who expect the current Israeli government to accept any demands regarding Israel's sovereignty over its capital are mistaken and misleading".[239]
The status of the city, and especially its holy places, remains a core issue in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. The Israeli government has approved building plans in the Muslim Quarter of the Old City[240] in order to expand the Jewish presence in East Jerusalem, while some Islamic leaders have made claims that Jews have no historical connection to Jerusalem, alleging that the 2,500-year-old Western Wall was constructed as part of a mosque.[241][242] Palestinians regard Jerusalem as the capital of the State of Palestine,[243] and the city's borders have been the subject of bilateral talks. A team of experts assembled by the then Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak in 2000 concluded that the city must be divided, since Israel had failed to achieve any of its national aims there.[244] However, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in 2014 that "Jerusalem will never be divided".[245]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem#Political_status
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Re: Israel doesn't say that. A minority of extremists do.
May 14, 2018, 1:55 PM
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You can find a thousand different articles on the subject claiming one conclusion or the other.
This one I just found was pretty good. Seems to give both sides. More of a Q&A type of site, but at least it links to "footnotes".
https://www.quora.com/Which-country-does-Jerusalem-belong-to
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Quora is a forum for users to debate. It's not an article.
May 14, 2018, 2:01 PM
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International law/treaties/etc. say it's not Israel, and there is a debate within Israel itself, which is not settled. People may believe Jerusalem "should" be Israel's. But in reality, and legally speaking, it's not. That's why this move in so weird and obviously controversial.
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Re: Quora is a forum for users to debate. It's not an article.
May 14, 2018, 2:02 PM
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I just said it was interesting and informative.
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Well I agree it is interesting, I thought you were
May 14, 2018, 2:03 PM
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providing it as evidence that Jerusalem was in fact part of Israel.
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No, because it gave reasons for and against.***
May 14, 2018, 2:04 PM
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They are being sniped hundreds of yards away and unarmed.
May 14, 2018, 1:05 PM
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Does that bother you, or do you just assume that there must be a justification for this?
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Re: You don't really believe
May 14, 2018, 1:08 PM
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that they are just innocently walking around and getting shot at do you? I'm not sure why the rest of the world continues to cater to an Iranian backed Hamas.. but everyone is supposed to.
You can't be serious? Calling attention to Israeli Defense Forces brutality against Palestinians somehow implies support for Hamas is ill informed and frankly naive.
Do some research, I think you'll be very surprised at what you find my friend.
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I have.
May 14, 2018, 1:16 PM
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And there's plenty of blood on the IDF's hands. But as I said above.. This is completely within the right of Israel to declare their capital city. And this is a violent protest. They are still tasked with protecting their people from a 35000 person hoard trying to violently push through their border.
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They are "protecting themselves" by shooting unarmed
May 14, 2018, 1:20 PM
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men women and children from hundreds of yards away. And this land they are protecting they are still currently illegally expanding into land that is not recognized as Israel. And they are fencing off people's neighborhoods and depriving them of a chance to fix their own situation.
This is not a situation in which a terror organization is simply trying to destroy Israel. It is people being treated like cattle and they don't know what to do about it because all of the powerful nations never stand up to Israel. Terror groups take advantage of this, they don't create it.
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NPR had one of the Israeli officials on the phone today.
May 15, 2018, 8:42 AM
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Asked him how they could justify shooting unarmed Palestinians. He said they were telling their soldiers to shoot them in the legs, so it's okay.
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The fact they are using live ammo, and there is no outrage
May 15, 2018, 12:07 PM
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with a lot of americans shows exactly why education about the jewish holocaust has failed baby boomers and millenials. Americans have thoroughly dehumanized Palestinians (Arabs/Muslims) and as long as they don't have to hear the gory details, they are totally fine with exterminating/ethically cleansing them.
They just need one or two sickos on Fox News to mention Hamas or terrorism, and they can sit back and casually accept mass murder and/or overt cruelty.
People have the most difficult time learning real lessons from history. The holocaust is important because that evil is embedded in human nature. Not because Germans are bad.
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I read somewhere that the Embassy is being
May 14, 2018, 1:04 PM
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named for Trump. It should be named for sheldon adelson
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How about
May 15, 2018, 8:36 PM
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Pontius Pilate Embassy?
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The juxtaposition of photos & videos can be used to enhance
May 14, 2018, 2:35 PM
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The messages of Palestinian and other Islamic extremists / terrorists.
Smiling, happy Jews and Americans contrasted with dead Palestinians.
Alledged the US has support from some Arab governments such as Saudi Arabia, but I wonder how these events play on the streets in the Arab world. Sure there is some alignment with the US and Sunni leaders against Iran. But still remember how the 911 terrorists originated from our so called ally.
Today’s optics combined with pulling out of the Iranian agreement may create problems down the road. Time will tell.
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Those that protested, chose to.
May 14, 2018, 2:51 PM
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They could have stopped if felt in danger, P-Nut.
Consequences...
Oops, that's something you jackasseae fans don't understand...
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Re: Those that protested, chose to.
May 14, 2018, 3:18 PM
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Anyone who believes this is one sick puppy. The lack of regard some Americans have for non-white-American life is stunning.
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Shoo-fly..
May 15, 2018, 10:26 AM
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-Doc
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Didnt know we had so many Hamas cheerleaders in here. Cant
May 14, 2018, 2:57 PM
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say I'm really surprised tho
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Didn't realize you enjoyed hearing about children being
May 15, 2018, 12:09 PM
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sniped from hundreds of yards away by fortified soldiers.
That's the reciprocal version of your straw man. Sucks doesn't it?
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One of the more obviously good things that has happened
May 14, 2018, 3:02 PM
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During this Presidency. Good job, Mr. President and team.
(Talking about the embassy move, not the people dying. For the record, I am firmly against people killing people.)
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Sucking up to Israel is DC tradition... The swamp swells.
May 15, 2018, 8:22 PM
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I'm sure Jared's diddy will be raking in the profits on those future new settlements...
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