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Questioning for our manufacturing gurus in here
Mar 10, 2022, 3:50 PM
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I don't know much about computer chip production. I just know that the lion's share of it globally seems to occur in Taiwan, and we're potentially BF'ed royally if China ramps up aggressions there.
So what is it that led to Taiwan becoming the epicenter for chip manufacturing? Was it just dumb luck or was there a push by the govt to lure it there, with incentives for manufacturers, tech training for the population to ensure a skilled labor force, etc. Are there any major barriers (aside from the obvious potential economic product cost-related ones) to manufacturing being ramped up here or in less developed, yet less chaotic areas of the world?
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Curious about this myself.
Mar 10, 2022, 3:51 PM
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Do they have patents we can't access?
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Oculus Spirit [79182]
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No, but China DGAF about patents.
Mar 10, 2022, 3:57 PM
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They still your shiz
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Oculus Spirit [79182]
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Taiwan is cheap labor, and they won't rip off your product
Mar 10, 2022, 3:52 PM
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and sell it like the Chinese do.
Chip manufacturing is being ramped up here in the US because of this, but expect it to cost about 500% more. Hide ya kids, hide ya wifes, ladies hide ya huzbands, cause they finn to boo foo ever juan out there.
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Whatever happened to Japan?
Mar 10, 2022, 3:54 PM
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They used to make the best electronics in the world, and were/are the gold standard of manufacturing. These days it's like a novelty to buy an electronic anything that was made in Japan.
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and to clarify and make my question more relevant
Mar 10, 2022, 3:57 PM
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I understand they couldn't make stuff as cheap as their neighbors in third world BFE, but seems like Japan could still enter the chip game and make stuff cheaper (and maybe better) than we could here. Why wouldn't they?
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Oculus Spirit [79182]
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Maybe they could make it slightly cheaper than we could, but
Mar 10, 2022, 3:59 PM
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they're not 2nd world country. They're much closer to us. Any small cost savings you could gain there would most likely get washed out in the taxes, duties, and freight over here.
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oddly, they make the best knives too
Mar 10, 2022, 4:03 PM
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you find an old Japanese steel blade knife, it's a keeper.
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Re: Whatever happened to Japan? They're ready & waiting
Mar 11, 2022, 12:08 AM
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Fujifilm Electronic Materials is a big player in specialty chemicals used to process semiconductors.
A big piece of chip technology comes from the suppliers of machinery and in-process intermediate materials to the actual manufacturers of chips.
Bringing the actual manufacturing of chips back to Japan and the USA isn't as complicated as is setting up the chip-manufacturing infrastructure to the Japan's and USA's of the world so that the supply chain is secure.
BTW, the hated by the left D.J.Trump was endeavoring to do this before the all-political-all-the-time Democrats and RINO Republicans killed him off.
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I think I just heard Eric Shchmidt talking about this...
Mar 10, 2022, 3:59 PM
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Taiwan and China have invested in the machines necessary to render wire small enough to power superhigh speed microchips. They also have cheap labor.
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So we just need Gene Haas to spend a couple weeks turning
Mar 10, 2022, 4:09 PM
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out a micro-wire rendering machine and boom, global powerhouse, baby.
In all seriousness, it does seem odd though that for a market this lucrative globally, other countries have just sat back and ceded production rights to basically a single country.
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If you listen to the Eric Schmidt Armchair expert
Mar 10, 2022, 4:28 PM
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podcast starting at about the 23:12 mark, he explains it superficially but well.
Also, there is a fascinating discussion about AI and chess. AI is using chess strategies to beat humans that humans have never used. So the question is, is the AI coming up with a solution that we would never have figured or is it one we just hadn't figured yet? If the answer is the former, what happens when AI goes a step further and starts to understand things that we aren't capable of understanding? Then, even if the AI is programmed to do right by us, we might not actually recognize that it's doing so, which according to Henry Kissinger will be the point where we will either kill it or worship it.
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Can’t be that hard, they used to make them in Woodruff for
Mar 10, 2022, 4:09 PM
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Pete’s sake.
When MEMC shutdown it #### near killed the town.
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My brick phone has some Cryovac chips.***
Mar 10, 2022, 4:10 PM
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Re: My brick phone has some Cryovac chips.***
Mar 11, 2022, 12:17 AM
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That's Duncan
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Ok, so here is what I know.....have to be careful tho
Mar 10, 2022, 4:11 PM
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I have worked for two companies (one short term 2 years and one longer at 9 years) and those two companies were in Taiwan and in Taiwan specifically due to them being a fair labor democratic country. Its great PR and the quality of product and the turnaround times are insanely fast. To get a product in development and produced in Taiwan is significantly faster than China, Bangladesh, India. I was on a product development team at one time and we turned a product around in 9 months that was insanely intricate. The workforce is strong, they pay well (from what I know have seen) and the work ethic is second to none. Plus, its probably one of the cleanest places I have ever been abroad.
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How were their women?
Mar 10, 2022, 4:16 PM
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sechsually?
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Well, $5 goes a loooooooong way
Mar 10, 2022, 4:18 PM
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on a short pole. I feel like $2.50/:30 or $5 for one minute of time is reasonable. Plus, its really all I need.
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You had seggs with a Taiwanese chicken nugget?
Mar 10, 2022, 4:21 PM
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I guess to each their own.
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Oculus Spirit [78831]
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many times
Mar 10, 2022, 4:36 PM
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