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Orange Blooded [2669]
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Why do you think fauci
Oct 25, 2021, 9:31 AM
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Was funding the following:
Monkeys had parts of their brains destroyed with acid in order to increase their capacity for terror, and were then tormented with simulated spiders, snakes and other things they instinctively fear. These experiments have been ongoing for more than four decades.
What are your best guesses as to why these experiments were done? Seems unneeded and really creepy.
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Probably has something to do with understanding
Oct 25, 2021, 9:34 AM
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The physiology of what happens when someone is frightened. Maybe if that is understood, those physiological responses can be in some way mitigated or treated.
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Are you justifying torture of animals?***
Oct 25, 2021, 9:41 AM
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No.
Oct 25, 2021, 9:45 AM
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Experiments are done on animals, always have been, always will be. There are billions of people alive because experiments are performed on animals.
There's a subjective line on how much is "too much," of course. You have to weigh the reward.
I would consider "torture" to be if you harm someone/something unjustifiably, just for sadistic pleasure.
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Assuming that your guess about the research is the case
Oct 25, 2021, 9:50 AM
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and I have no idea if it is or not, doesn't matter.
I would argue that it would not be justifiable to conduct that kind of experiment. Fear isn't something that can be gotten rid of, nor should it be. Fear is what often times keeps us alive.
Again, not sure what the experiment was for, but that described by the OP sounds pretty much like torture to me.
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I mean, hard to know much from a small paragraph
Oct 25, 2021, 9:50 AM
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on a Clemson message board.
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That's assuming it's even true.
Oct 25, 2021, 9:59 AM
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I assumed truth, even though there's no citation or reference.
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110%er [5791]
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Oh I agree. And I'm no tree hugger, but I do have an issue
Oct 25, 2021, 10:02 AM
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with testing on animals simply for the sake of testing on animals (like cosmetics etc). Viable medical research is one thing, but again, what was described above sounds like torture to me...
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Re: Why do you think fauci
Oct 25, 2021, 9:50 AM
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With all his lies that we now know of, how anyone takes this guy seriously is beyond me.
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Re: Why do you think fauci***
Oct 25, 2021, 10:06 AM
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If a full audit was ever done, or was even possible
Oct 25, 2021, 10:06 AM
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I'm sure you could tie him to human trafficking rings in Thailand, and drug lords in Mexico and Bolivia. When you throw money around the planet to hundreds of countries for millions of reasons THEY can come up with to get it, there's about a 100% chance there will be abuse, misuse, and whatever else going on.
We're like MC Hammer. Made millions, probably more than any other musician in the 80's, or close to it. He all of a sudden had an entourage, "friends" and he blew all of his money on his "friends", and now he's broke. I'd wager if you traced the money he lent to his "friends" back in the 80's and 90's, you'd find drugs, guns, prostitution, security fraud, you name it, I'd wager his "friends" did it.
And we probably funded the invention of covid. IF it was invented in a lab, we probably paid at least a portion of its development.
How many drug dealers, prostitution rings, gun runners, drug smugglers, money launderers, human traffickers, security fraudsters are funded by the likes of Wells Fargo, Bank of America, Chase, etc? TONS. As long as they don't know, it's hear no evil see no evil. They lend money to feed the starving children, that money is used to buy bitcoin, then it's sold and siphoned off into a tax shelter for a drug lord, money is repaid with interest through a shell company, and they could care less. They fed the starving children.
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Only right here on t-net, in the bowels of P&R, can
Oct 25, 2021, 10:18 AM
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we get Tiggity discussing MC Hammer's financial woes in a Fauci animal cruelty post. Tiggity, I wouldn't trade you for a million Happycats, pleeeeease don't ever change.
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Re: If a full audit was ever done, or was even possible
Oct 25, 2021, 10:23 AM
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Are you seriously comparing this to criminals having bank accounts/getting loans?
A better comparison would be if the banks knew the criminals were getting loans and you still funded them, lied, and covered for them.
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Who arrests who with federal spending gone bad?
Oct 25, 2021, 12:03 PM
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Sure, they arrest people who misuse federal funds all the time, in the US where we have jurisdiction. And campaign finance is a biggie, but that's private money. BUT WHO prosecutes the lenders of tax dollars? No one.
At worst, it's a shift change of bureaucrats.
Did they know this? I doubt it. But government and private sector finances are misused and used illegally constantly. And when it's discovered in the private or government sector, the perp is prosecuted. But is the LENDER EVER prosecuted? No. ONE person served jail time for the entire housing crisis. ONE PERSON. The crimes that led to the housing crisis go right to the top (it wasn't predatory lending), and yet it was erased by a an agency immune to audit or prosecution, and they used a technique that once landed Ken Lay in a jail cell at Enron, because it WAS A CRIME to farm off toxic debt into shell companies to green up the books. That's exactly what the federal reserve did, and no one even blinked.
And no criminals don't have bank accounts. But they have money. Where does it come from? They try and launder the money through legit but illegal businesses. And eventually they all get prosecuted. But as long as the lender has plausible deniability, they're fine. When they don't, they prosecute. And it's MUCH easier to screw the government than the private sector, but it happens both ways. So a beaurocrat at NIH has $800K earmarked for bat research in China. Fine. They get 500 proposals from all over China. Beaurocrat scans over a few, splits the pot, and sends checks. Done. He can still make his 2pm t-time. You think Congressmen read the bills they sign? It's humanly impossible to read them all. They have staff pour over them and find things to attack the other party with, and/or add stuff they want added. Then THEY have to rely on staff to tell them what they're actually signing into law, and then you have the spin on it.
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