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Has coach V lost respect of NFL caliber LB recruits?
Mar 28, 2021, 10:09 PM
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What is the deal with not being able to attract top NFL caliber LB recruits? Our LB exhibit has been average over the last 3 years. Bouleware was great, but not elite. Skalski the same. When do we get edge rushers and LBs and/or DBs who become top 10?
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Re: Has coach V lost respect of LB recruits?
Mar 28, 2021, 10:12 PM
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We signed 2 of the top LB's in the nation last year. Some sources had Barrett the top OLB in the nation and some sources had Trotter a top 2 ILB. He is doing great. Then we had Simpson last year who was a 5 star. He is doing great. We just missed on 1 this year. It happens.
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I’m looking forward to an NFL type player...***
Mar 28, 2021, 10:57 PM
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Re: I’m looking forward to an NFL type player...***
Mar 28, 2021, 11:08 PM
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Oh for gods sake, grow up. We’ve got plenty . Best lb from last years class, maybe the best from the year before.
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Re: I’m looking forward to an NFL type player...***
Mar 28, 2021, 11:11 PM
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They did t show it against LSU or OSU.
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Re: I’m looking forward to an NFL type player...***
Mar 28, 2021, 11:49 PM
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Simpson was a freshman. The other two just arrived.
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Re: I’m looking forward to an NFL type player...***
Mar 28, 2021, 11:59 PM
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Annnnd clearly you’re not a Clemson fan as you’d know only one of those was even on campus for only one of those games . Nice try troll pos
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TP, I’ve been here a long time so ####***
Mar 29, 2021, 12:14 AM
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Re: Has coach V lost respect of LB recruits?
Jan 8, 2017, 1:31 AM
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Not elite? In the last two cycles Clemson has signed two 5*, in Barrett Carter and Trenton Simpson, and a borderline 5* in Trotter Jr. These are going to be the most talented guys BV has ever had to work with. I agree missing on Walker was big, but it was a position where we actually have some depth. We can not miss on a DB this year.
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WHIch LB has been NFL bound in last 3 years?***
Mar 28, 2021, 10:56 PM
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Re: WHIch LB has been NFL bound in last 3 years?***
Mar 28, 2021, 11:06 PM
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So when someone answers your dumb complaint you just change the whole parameters of your critique to maintain your ignorant take, huh?
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Re: WHIch LB has been NFL bound in last 3 years?***
Mar 28, 2021, 11:10 PM
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Nope. My critique was about recruiting NFL caliber LBs. Not just routine 4 and 5 stars. ??
Sorry I wasn’t more specific originally.
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Re: WHIch LB has been NFL bound in last 3 years?***
Mar 29, 2021, 12:46 AM
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Wow, some have really become spoiled when complaining about recruits that are "just routine 4 and 5 stars."
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Re: WHIch LB has been NFL bound in last 3 years?***
Mar 29, 2021, 6:56 AM
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Spoiled perhaps. Just would have thought we would have seen more Simmons type LBs being produced into the NFL by now given Venables reputation. Seems like we either miss getting the right 4 or 5 stars or we don’t develop them.
Not sure why we are not seeing more productivity and elite play at what is considered to be the QB position of the D. Our QBs and WRs and RBs and D line seem to be there.
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Re: WHIch LB has been NFL bound in last 3 years?***
Mar 29, 2021, 2:13 PM
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It's not even that. You just have unrealistic expectations. There are a lot of great HS football players. There are exponentially less great college football players. And there are exponentially less college players that actually make it in the NFL. To look at a 16-17 year old kid and say "I bet you'll be an NFL linebacker" is so unrealistic.
The problem here is one you have made up.
Trust the process.
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Re: Has coach V lost respect of LB recruits?
Mar 28, 2021, 11:47 PM
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Huff, I'd listen to Clemson Paw at others. NFL linebackers can come from anywhere. Uga can't boast about it. Look at luke, we played against. Here's an article that may help you. It's ppf rank of the top 20 linebackers in the league now. You won't find uga anywhere. In fact, the 3rd and 4th best came from SC state and Arkansas st respectively.
The NFL is getting away from the traditional linebacker. It's becoming more hybrid like Simmons and has been the last 5 yrs or so. Guess what, CBV has been ahead of the curve and recruiting guys as such. Reference the one's we've recruited the last 3 cycles and the group on the field. Kirby tells every recruit just like he promised fields that he would start freshman year. Some 18 yr old kid laps it up because they want to hear it. Let's see what happens, the kid hasn't signed anything yet. If he stays with uga, let's see what impact he has.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-rankings-the-nfls-top-25-linebackers-ahead-of-the-2020-nfl-season
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Last 2 playoff games didn’t bode well for LB play
Mar 29, 2021, 12:12 AM
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So if you are arguing they are obsolete, I disagree.
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Re: Has coach V lost respect of LB recruits?
Mar 28, 2021, 10:16 PM
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Have you watched any Clemson football over the last 5-10 years?
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Of course I have!
Mar 28, 2021, 10:40 PM
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I am watching the last 2-3 years and concerned with our play in big games. Forget recruits for a second. Where is the Mack daddy linebacker play?
So now we miss on a big recruit.
How many NFL linebackers have we placed recently?
This is why ask.
I can (and usually will) be wrong, but it seems like we have fallen off.
Cite where I am wrong.
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Re: Of course I have!
Mar 28, 2021, 10:48 PM
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Well, we have been recruiting LB well lately. 3 big ones in the last 2 classes. You're going to have wait until they all play games. I thought you were talking about recruiting linebackers.
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I was talking about recruiting NFL talent at LB
Mar 28, 2021, 10:59 PM
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We did it at Dline... some at dback... few at LB
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Re: Of course I have!
Mar 28, 2021, 11:34 PM
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Question. Ever heard of a guy named Isaiah Simmons? Won some awards at LB. Drafted in the first round into the NFL. I would say that qualified him as being an NFL guy. And "Routine" 4 and 5 star guy? Do you even begin to know how silly that sounds? Do you know how star ratings work and translate with regard to the NFL system. Please...no more! lol.
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Re: Of course I have!
Mar 29, 2021, 1:00 PM
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I miss Isaiah Simmons too. But I think you’re thinking of last year being the last two to three years....
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LOL, seriously. One LB recruit. It happens. I wonder if all
Mar 28, 2021, 10:19 PM
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the other schools in the country are still gnashing their teeth about missing out on Watson, Lawrence & Uiagalelei? You know, once in a lifetime QB recruits...
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Yes they are...
Mar 28, 2021, 10:44 PM
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I know of many who are wishing and regretting on who we have gotten...
I’m not trying to say the sky is falling... just wonderingly if lack of NFL draft success is an issue here.
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Earth to Huffer ...Earth to Huffer ...
Mar 28, 2021, 10:35 PM
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What's your copy?
Like Carlsbad said, Tigers are deep at LB. This kid may have other reasons, but he's not interested in spending a year or two on the bench in Tigertown.
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LBs to NFL in last 3-5 years?
Mar 28, 2021, 10:50 PM
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Dorian o’Daniel? Really?
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Re: Has coach V lost respect of LB recruits?
Mar 28, 2021, 10:41 PM
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Venables is the only Coordinator I know with the cohones to place 3 marginally talented white boys on the field and engineer a 3 and out. He is that good.
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Does it attract NFL talent? If so, who?***s
Mar 28, 2021, 10:51 PM
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Re: Does it attract NFL talent? Is so, who?***
Mar 28, 2021, 10:55 PM
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Simmons was just on the NFL all rookie team. It seems like LB recruiting has picked up lately if anything though.
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Acknowleged... and credit on Simmons!
Mar 28, 2021, 11:02 PM
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Great athlete. I just want Clemson to strive to be the LB school... it is who we should be on D
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Re: Acknowleged... and credit on Simmons!
Mar 29, 2021, 6:50 AM
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Well we're already the QB school and WRU, and arguably a big D school so you won't be happy until we are LBU? Honey, we can't take them all, we got to let other schools have a few so we can have some good competition in the championships every year.
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Hey everyone... i know my subject was a bit controversial
Mar 28, 2021, 11:07 PM
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But I feel like we re slipping on D and the LB position specifically. Would like more emphasis here. It is the heart of a defense!
Need some focus and attention on it is all I’m pointing out.
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Talent is there, but personnel change is needed
Mar 29, 2021, 2:13 PM
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Nm
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Re: Has coach V lost respect of LB recruits?
Mar 28, 2021, 11:09 PM
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No. Not at all. I hope you are trolling or I would delete this.
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Not trolling.. not my thing... serious question
Mar 28, 2021, 11:14 PM
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Now I can just not be seeing the last 2-3 years of linebacker play (minus Simmons), but it doesn’t look like it is on the way up. Contrary.
No way an LB recruit should ever pick UGA over Clemson unless there is doubt. Bama? Sure. UGA? Huh!
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Re: Not trolling.. not my thing... serious question
Mar 28, 2021, 11:26 PM
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There are just too many factors to assume a kid makes a decision based on the strength of the team and or program. Over and over we have seen kids make decisions that leave us scratching our heads and a lot of it has to do with the fact that they are children making the biggest decision of their lives. Do you remember 18 year old you? I should have been considered borderline brain dead. Donnie Baker would agree, I swear da gawd.
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Ok... then next post, where is Clemson in LB university rank***
Mar 29, 2021, 12:08 AM
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Why did Tahj, CJ or Sammy chose Clemson when
Mar 28, 2021, 11:42 PM
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they could have chosen stronger programs? The emphasis to college coaches isn't NFL talent but cultural and team fit, as Dabo says repeatedly when referencing players/recruits. Our challenges on defense the last few years have largely been on an underwhelming defensive line allowing pressure to be put on the back seven. Winning in the trenches has proven to be the great equalizer for defenses... an offense that can average 4 yards per play are getting first downs and moving the chains on average, which is keeping defenses on the field longer, breaking down their stamina and creating opportunities for scores...
All 11 players on D are critical but it really starts in the front four with stopping the run and getting QB pressure without blitz packages...
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Re: Why did Tahj, CJ or Sammy chose Clemson when
Mar 28, 2021, 11:50 PM
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exactly. D line has been the key to defensive success as long as BV has been here. Pur LBs even the best years were at best pretty good most of the time. It was the D Line that set the tone. Since the power rangers left our D line has been average, especially at DE. The recruits have had ranking. XT #1, Henry #5.. But have not really taken the next steps or developed. I for one think Hobby being gone is an huge factor. Time will tell but he and Brooks were a GREAT team up front. Just seems different now.
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Anyone smell chicken?***
Mar 29, 2021, 6:24 AM
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Re: Has coach V lost respect of NFL caliber LB recruits?
Mar 29, 2021, 10:24 AM
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2019: Bryton Constantine (#8 OLB), Vonta Bentley (#16 ILB), Kane Patterson (#20 ILB), Keith Maguire (#26 OLB)
2020: Trenton Simpson (#1 OLB), Sergio Allen (#12 ILB), Kevin Swint (#15 ILB)
2021: Barrett Carter (#2 OLB), Jeremiah Trotter Jr (#2 ILB)
How is this average? There a very few teams, maybe 3-4, that have signed a better group of LBs over the last 3 years than Clemson.
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Re: Has coach V lost respect of NFL caliber LB recruits?
Mar 29, 2021, 9:57 PM
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Honestly speaking.....with the exception of Simpson, Constantine (injury) & the 2021 recruits it doesnt appear the rest are that good. They can't beat out a bunch of 3 stars (Spector, Skalski, Jake & Tyler Veneables) who are slow and little to no NFL potential. So either they are not that good or CBV has favorites. Sad to say but only calling what I see as far as the players on the field getting the most snaps.
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Re: Has coach V lost respect of NFL caliber LB recruits?
Mar 30, 2021, 11:38 AM
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Skalski and Spector have more years of experience on them though. BV has a complicated system to learn. That's why Spencer Shuey started over a much more talented Stephone Anthony. Hell, Isaiah Simmons didn't start until his 3rd year on campus. Bentley, Patterson, and Maguire are all 3rd years guys this year. But, they have a 5th year and 6th year in front of them. Is it possible that 3 star recruits can have more knowledge of the playbook than 4 and 5 star recruits? If the answer is yes, then you would understand why those former 3 stars are starting over former 4 and 5 stars. Do you expect BV to send out players that don't fully understand the scheme? Would that make the other 10 players on defense better? Would that help the team more?
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Re: Has coach V lost respect of NFL caliber LB recruits?
Mar 29, 2021, 1:08 PM
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What is NFL caliber linebacker recruit? That makes no sense. Best we can do is a 5 star and it's difficult to predict if a high school 5 star will be a great college player, much less an NFL linebacker. Ridiculous expectations in my opinion.
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Re: Has coach V lost respect of NFL caliber LB recruits?
Mar 30, 2021, 9:44 PM
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Especially MLB!
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