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How many of you really think that Cincinatti is better than

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Nov 25, 2021, 3:14 PM
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Alabama this year, even if Bama were to lose to Georgia next week? That is the kind of hard question the Committee will have to answer. Now, I would not want to see a two loss Bama get in, it would set a really bad precedent. But, I will admit that I personally believe Bama would mop the floor with Cincy head to head.

It would be a case of that age old argument: Do you take the best 4 teams, or 4 teams with the best records?

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but at some point record has to matter

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Nov 25, 2021, 3:23 PM
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heck ill do one better..say bama loses to uga and auburn..they will then have three loses but would still be considered better than cinci..but even so cinci should be rewarded for going undefeated and winning their conference vs a team who didnt..honestly this is the best time yet to let a team like cinci in to see what they can do.

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Nov 25, 2021, 3:51 PM
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I think the best thing for college football would be to pick for the conference championship. To much of an advantage to let two sec teams in. And ND needs to pick a conference too. They play one less game.

But it doesn't matter because ESPN wants a 12 team tournament.

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yep..in reality you probably

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Nov 25, 2021, 4:09 PM
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could make an argument for a 5 loss team being better than cinci..remember we were told when it started that regular season was the first playoff because reg season games mattered..but allowing in 2-3 loos teams overs an undefeated team would nuke that argument

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Nov 25, 2021, 9:32 AM
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The thing is if Cincy played a power 5 schedule they probably aren’t undefeated. And if Bama or whoever else that is better than Cincy plays a group of 5 schedule, they are probably undefeated.

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Nov 25, 2021, 9:42 PM
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who cares..they dont and they are


Nov 25, 2021, 10:25 PM
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they have beaten every team on their schedule including one loss notre dame...at the end of the day wins and losses should matter..a team with 2-3 losses that isnt even a conference champ should not get over an undefeated team with cinci's resume

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Nov 26, 2021, 5:36 AM
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UT San Antonio is also undefeated. Think they should get a playoff spot based on that?

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Nov 26, 2021, 6:39 AM
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Opinions should be taken out of the equation. You win; you're in. It works in the NFL and the Super Bowl. If wins and losses don't matter, why even have a CFP? I understand your thinking--this scenario negates the whole idea of super conference domination.

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Nov 26, 2021, 7:15 AM
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"Opinions should be taken out of the equation" sounds great, but for CFB, it isn't possible. Go back to my point. UTSA is unbeaten. Do they get in over a one-loss UGA or one-loss Ohio State? Schedule matters.

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have they beaten the number 5 team on the road by 11?***


Nov 26, 2021, 10:58 AM
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Nov 26, 2021, 11:07 AM
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No but even with that win they have a strenght of schedule that ranks 78.

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who cares..fact is they have beaten everyone


Nov 26, 2021, 11:16 AM
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in front of them including the number 5 team in the country on the road..everyone trying to make a case for bama with 2 losses but when does it end? 3,4,5,6 losses? because technically bama should beat them even with 5 losses..but it doesnt mean they should be in the playoff over them

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Nov 26, 2021, 12:13 PM
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I'm not advocating that Bama be in. I wouldn't put a two loss Bama in, even with a close loss to UGA. But, I also don't default that the only requirement is going undefeated. I don't think it's a simple as saying, they won all their games - put them in. Schedule has to matter.

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Nov 26, 2021, 12:45 AM
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absolutely - flip schedules and Cincy is 8-3, Bama is 11-0. Bama would beat Cincy 9 times out of 10 in my opinion. I think this Clemson team would beat Cincy 4 or 5 of 10

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Nov 26, 2021, 9:32 AM
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And herein lies the problem - in my opinion.

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thats irrelevent though


Nov 26, 2021, 11:02 AM
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bama doesnt play their schedule and vice versa. whats the point of playing a regular season when the argument just goes to "well if we had this schedule we would be undefeated"..and opinion doesnt matter the play off was put in place to settle it on the field..yet seems like its standard to keep non power five teams off of the field to have a shot

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Nov 26, 2021, 6:41 AM
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I agree that conferences should be more balanced. But, wins and losses must count.

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Nov 26, 2021, 8:43 AM
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Cindy did beat a Top 10 Notre Dame team our of conference.

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Nov 26, 2021, 12:14 PM
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Which 5 loss team? This Cincy team is not Hawaii with Colt Brennen, they beat ND in south bend, with ease. Take a lap.

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Nov 25, 2021, 9:52 PM
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Exactly what you said...?? especially your last sentence.

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Re: but at some point record has to matter


Nov 25, 2021, 10:16 PM
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I believe, SOMEHOW, that was actually ONE SENTENCE.

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Nov 25, 2021, 4:16 PM
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That is the question. 4 best or 4 most deserving.

If they really want the best teams, ask Vegas. Which 4 teams would be favored over every other team in the country on a nuetral field. Those Vegas guys didn't get rich by just guessing.

As for me, even though the committee is tasked with "4 best" I think they should at least factor in most deserving.

(And that is why I favor expansion of the playoffs. I'd much rather argue over who is 12th and 13th, than 4 and 5.)

I think a two loss Bama team would get in over any 2 loss conference champ. But, I don't think they would get in over an undefeated Cincy or a 1 loss conference champ. (If I were on the committee, that is what I would be arguing for.)

But, who knows what the committee will decide.

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Nov 25, 2021, 9:35 PM
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bretfsu® - hope it was a good’un for you and the fam.


Isn’t the job of the bookmaker to set the line where they think they will get equal amounts of money bet on each side ?

Where the line is doesn’t predict what they feel will be the results.

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Nov 25, 2021, 4:23 PM
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Have you watched Cincinnati last year or this year? They were better than UGA last year and should’ve beat them. Probably a wash this year with them or Bama, I wouldn’t bet on either, if I had to I would take Cincy and whatever points they are given.

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Nov 25, 2021, 5:18 PM
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How can you say Cincy was better than UGA when UGA won without 9 starters who were opt outs and also outgained Cincy by 409 to 305 yards. Having a 4th quarter lead doesn't make you better. Also, do you really think UGA was motivated to play Cincy?

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Nov 25, 2021, 6:07 PM
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Ah, the stale, old SEC excuse. We really didn’t want to be here.

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because they both went to the field that night


Nov 25, 2021, 10:32 PM
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nad cincy was indeed better than the uga team they played that night.

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Nov 25, 2021, 11:18 PM
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I watched the game, my eyes told me cincy was better.

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Nov 26, 2021, 6:43 AM
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I think someone said UGA was without 9 starters. Is that accurate? As far as this year goes, Cincy is probably really not even a top 10 team.

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Nov 25, 2021, 5:31 PM
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I always believed that the best 4 teams should be in, but how does a team like ours prove we are one of the best 4 teams playing an ACC schedule, it's almost impossible I think!!!

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Nov 25, 2021, 6:00 PM
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I’m in the wins & losses matter group.
If wins & losses don’t matter then there is no reason to play ANY games. ESECPN can just do a TV show and vote for their 3 favorite sec teams and their token B1G team.
BAMA’s loss to unranked TAMU means that they don’t get anymore mulligans.

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Nov 25, 2021, 6:09 PM
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Getting beat by an unranked Texas A&M team with top 10 talent on their home field with 110,000 fans is better than almost getting beat at home by an unranked Tulsa team with no talent.

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Nope

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Nov 25, 2021, 8:56 PM
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Winning > Losing

Otherwise, what's the point of keeping score?

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Nov 26, 2021, 6:44 AM
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Exactly.

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then what does beating top 5 notre dame by 11

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Nov 25, 2021, 10:30 PM
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at notre dame mean?

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I’ll have what she’s drinking*******


Nov 26, 2021, 12:18 PM
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Texas AM is not unranked


Nov 25, 2021, 9:23 PM
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Where they are now is way more relevant than where they were at the time of the game. Wasn't Florida top 10 when Bama beat them? There's no way in #### I'm giving Bama credit for a top 10 win in that game.

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I favored an eight team playoff from the

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Nov 25, 2021, 6:03 PM
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beginning, so that teams like Cincy, which don't play in a P5, could have their shot at the title.

Of course, there is an argument about the weakness of one or more of the P5's, but I'd be surprised to see FCS teams in the top four repeatedly. History doesn't favor it.

Another argument could be made for creation of super conferences of 20 teams with FCS teams included, and frankly, I wouldn't be surprised to see movement in that direction, sooner rather than later.

I am not sold on this 12 team play off idea, as it seems an overcompensation for the current model to those opposed. I understand floating playoff sites, but it seems it would make it a heck of a lot easier on fans to centralize, much as baseball has done. Dallas comes to mind, as a decent location. as long as arrangements could be workable with the Cowboys.

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Totally agree... 8 teams and NO byes... 12 is too much.***


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I'm not so sure Bama would mop the floor with Cincinnati.***


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A better question is, how many chances should Bama get befor

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Nov 25, 2021, 6:40 PM
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Cincy or another team gets a chance?

How many times should UGa have to beat Bama before it counts?

Heck, Utah might be better than other top 4 teams but they sucked early in the year so they won't get to play.
Winning has to matter.

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Lol. The answer to your second question is: ONCE!


Nov 25, 2021, 9:01 PM
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:)

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The question is going to be does an undefeated Cincy get in over a


Nov 25, 2021, 6:59 PM
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1 loss OKST who is the Big 12 champion?

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Shouldn’t decide sports on who we think is better

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Nov 25, 2021, 9:18 PM
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Championships should be about who wins not who’s better. If Bama gets a shot at UGA as it will in SECCG and loses, they had their shot. Next. Sports should not be about voters deciding that a team is better so keep giving them another shot when others teams are waiting for their shot.

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Nov 25, 2021, 9:56 PM
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Cincinnati.... look out this weekend!

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Nov 25, 2021, 9:58 PM
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IMHO........Conference Championships matter. Let the Power 5 Champs in the playoffs and pick 3 more for an 8 team playoff.

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Nov 25, 2021, 10:06 PM
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I don't think Cincinatti could beat Clemson.

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Nov 25, 2021, 10:37 PM
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Winning has to count for something. I also think Clemson is better than quite a few teams in front of us in the rankings, but we have lost 3 games... they have lost fewer. You move up for winning, not just participating.

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Cincinnati is...

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Nov 25, 2021, 11:29 PM
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...good but not great. Even if they were to get in they won't win their first game...

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Nov 26, 2021, 5:47 AM
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I think we might beat Cincy. I think Bama would scorch Cincy.

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Nov 26, 2021, 6:18 AM
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People have said the same about Clemson in the past. Clemson proved that it deserved a chance. Cincinnati can only prove it by being given the same chance. Personally, I think conference champions should compete in the CFP. If a team can't win the championship of its conference, it shouldn't be competing in the CFP. It's simple and eliminates opinions.

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Nov 26, 2021, 6:46 AM
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I don't think conference championships should be much of a factor. It should be a factor, but sometimes we just know some teams are stacked that are runner up. Sometimes the two best teams are in the same conference. On the other hand, sometimes certain conferences are just weak and the road to winning the conference championship isn't very tough. JMHO

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Nov 26, 2021, 7:06 AM
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Conferences should be more balanced, and these types of debates will probably ensure that it happens. The SEC wants to dominate all others with a superconference which effectively eliminates the concept of wins and losses determining who is better. The CFP needs to be revamped.

To isolate the Cincinnati question, it will be resolved on its own soon since they have joined the Big 12. We will find out whether or not their program can compete on that level.

Wins and losses must matter.

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Who Knows?? They need to play. It's simple..just


Nov 26, 2021, 8:37 AM
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expand the playoff to 8 teams. The five conference champs from the P5; 2 from the Cincy and San Antonio Road Runners crowd; and one more from the SEC or the Notre Dame squad - just cause...

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Nov 26, 2021, 8:40 AM
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Bama doesn't have a signature win.

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Me. Bearcats would crush Alabama.

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Nov 26, 2021, 8:45 AM
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Prove me wrong.

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Re: Me. Bearcats would crush Alabama.


Nov 26, 2021, 9:00 AM
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Duke would destroy Cincy and Bama. Prove me wrong. That's what I thought.

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LOL!!


Nov 26, 2021, 12:07 PM
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NO!!!!

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Hard to say. Cincy has a better win thus far. Bama lost to


Nov 26, 2021, 8:56 AM
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best team they have played so far.

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Nov 26, 2021, 9:02 AM
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The best records (conference champions) should play and let the game decide. That’s the fair way

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Nov 26, 2021, 10:00 AM
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I think a 13-0-0 Cincinnati team would be better than a 11-2-0 Alabama squad. The three numbers because (for team evaluation purposes) I consider an OT to be a tie.

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Nov 26, 2021, 11:11 AM
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Alabama this year, even if Bama were to lose to Georgia next week? That is the kind of hard question the Committee will have to answer. Now, I would not want to see a two loss Bama get in, it would set a really bad precedent. But, I will admit that I personally believe Bama would mop the floor with Cincy head to head.

It would be a case of that age old argument: Do you take the best 4 teams, or 4 teams with the best records?



If Bama loses to UGA they will have proven they are not the best team in their conference. Other teams with better records deserve the opportunity to see if they are better than UGA. The conf championship IS the first round of the playoffs

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