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Punishment for violation of Presidential Records Act.
Aug 9, 2022, 10:03 AM
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Not sure what the potential fines would be.
18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
a)Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(b)Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.
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That's a high standard to meet.
Aug 9, 2022, 10:11 AM
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Even if the President had documents at this location, there's still another much larger bridge to say he did something to them, like falsify or destroy. That seems highly unlikely to me.
I don't know what the penalty would be for just having them in the wrong place, but it probably wouldn't be as high.
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Sandy Burglar was convited after pleading guilty
Aug 9, 2022, 10:18 AM
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and was sentenced to community service and probation and fined $50,000 for removing/stealing documents that belonged to the national archives
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Re: Sandy Burglar was convited after pleading guilty
Aug 9, 2022, 10:21 AM
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I'm sure she killed the people with the goods on her***
Aug 9, 2022, 10:25 AM
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Hall of Famer [22387]
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Not really. "Removal" is a crime.
Aug 9, 2022, 10:22 AM
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There is no need to prove he tried to falsify or destroy anything.
Seems pretty straightforward.
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the mens rea element might be the most difficult to prove
Aug 9, 2022, 10:26 AM
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but, apparently, he was alerted to the crime and refused to return the documents.
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This is what I don’t understand. Why not just turn everything over?
Aug 9, 2022, 10:36 AM
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Wonder if there’s evidence that certain documents exist from other sources?
And why would DJT not just have destroyed the documents?
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Re: This is what I don’t understand. Why not just turn everything over?
Aug 9, 2022, 10:40 AM
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Re: This is what I don’t understand. Why not just turn everything over?
Aug 9, 2022, 10:41 AM
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Do you support prosecuting DADDY if he did indeed break the law?
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In context, it looks like "removal" has more to do with
Aug 9, 2022, 10:40 AM
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content, not physical location. Every other word is about modifying the content.
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All-In [26968]
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Like removing a page, etc.***
Aug 9, 2022, 10:42 AM
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The Presidential Records Act establishes public ownership
Aug 9, 2022, 10:54 AM
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of all Presidential records. The documents become the legal property of the National Archives as soon as his presidency ended.
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Yes.***
Aug 9, 2022, 11:16 AM
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Almost like this was intentional after the CPAC
Aug 9, 2022, 10:26 AM
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Mark Levin, just another angry jew***
Aug 9, 2022, 10:26 AM
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Re: Mark Levin, just another angry jew***
Aug 9, 2022, 10:31 AM
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So he's in the clear as former C-in-C of the Armed Forces...
Aug 9, 2022, 10:33 AM
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Ah, those legal loopholes...
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Hall of Famer [22387]
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Nope. The Constitution establishes civilian control of the
Aug 9, 2022, 11:06 AM
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military and that the President is a civil officer, not a military officer. The President isn't a member of the military and is not subject to military discipline.
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Which is why this hoax was initiated.***
Aug 9, 2022, 11:05 AM
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