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TNET: As NIL changes landscape of college football, Swinney preaches education first
Feb 9, 2022, 12:00 PM
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Re: TNET: As NIL changes landscape of college football, Swinney preaches education first
Feb 9, 2022, 12:25 PM
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In part I agree with Dabo. What will happen with the check writing boosters and businesses when their team loses, a highly paid player gets hurt, and when the next "great savior" is signed and the previous one transfers? No need to worry about the effects this year because it will always be a fluid situation and remember a school cannot get everyone because egotistical kids will not sit on the bench.
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Re: TNET: As NIL changes landscape of college football, Swinney preaches education first
Feb 9, 2022, 1:22 PM
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He could have left out that part about 18-20 year olds having to pay taxes. And imo making a general broad brushed statement implying they're not mature enough doesn't play well. He himself had to take care of his mom.
Now, listening to the entire podcast then you get the gist of where he's coming from... Problem is everyone wants a negative sound bite. So now if I'm jumbo or Kirby, I'm going to tell that recruit that Dabo doesn't think you're responsible.
As for sitting a year, that too could have mental ramifications. Getting a year back after graduating sounds admirable until you try to unwrap it in details. Again, only my opinion but you're lumping two separate issues into one. Portal and NIL are each set on their own.
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Re: TNET: As NIL changes landscape of college football, Swinney preaches education first
Feb 10, 2022, 10:20 PM
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Whoever TD this post, please speak up and tell me what you disagree with. Why hide behind an anonymous TD? Make you feel better?
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I HATE NIL but education and NIL aren't mutually exclusive
Feb 9, 2022, 1:35 PM
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Texas A&M, Ohio State, UGA, Texas, USC, ND, Michigan, Florida, and many other booster-rich football schools are academically ranked higher (by USNWR and others) than Clemson.
It makes sense for kids to go to an academically superior football school-- especially if they can get paid more via NIL.
That's the problem with NIL. The schools with the richest football-boosters will simply buy the top recruits. It will completely change the landscape, and that's not good for a school like Clemson.
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Well, we beat Bama for the CFP title in 2016 and 2018. Bama
Feb 9, 2022, 2:09 PM
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is not exactly a great academic school. Auburn is much more like Clemson with heavy engineering programs.
It doesn't really matter which school you support with NIL agreements. I've been saying all along that the NIL will not last. The alumni and general fans will not sustain a large NIL program over decades. Dabo is correct, there will be thousands of players stuck in the portals this year, and every year to come.
Do you really think all of those schools you listed have more difficult academics. Clemson has great engineering and architecture schools.
Shoot, we have engineering students from all over the east coast come to Clemson for engineering undergrad and grad school.
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NIL + Portal = Bad JuJu
Feb 9, 2022, 7:00 PM
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Like Dabo or not; if you take a "down the line view" you will realize what he is saying is accurate. Like him or not!
How sustainable is it? What if a kid chooses to play with his NIL money-bought toys instead of practice and play ball? Do you cut him off; what happens to the money if you do?
It's going to get ugly and I wouldn't put it past getting dangerous before this thing gets settled.
What is to stop someone from giving a kid on someone else's roster money to blow a game? Tampering is going on and money can be exchanged - who's going to stop it? If all the kid wants is a paycheck; can you not see it happening? I can! Think about it; I pay off two kids at this school that beats our butt yearly and I don't have to pay for a roster full at the actual school I support!
1. More than anything the tampering needs to stop.
2. Some type of limit on when you can transfer should be in place. I.E. you can't quit in the middle of the year! You get immediately after the National Championship game and to the 1st day of February to hit the portal only! Preferably, teams are made aware of players who intend to hit it prior!
3. NIL deals need to be reviewed by a 3rd party to the NCAA. Some data needs to be kept on NIL deals for at least a few seasons.
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Re: NIL + Portal = Bad JuJu
Feb 9, 2022, 8:49 PM
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Like Dabo or not; if you take a "down the line view" you will realize what he is saying is accurate. Like him or not!
Academics and NIL are not mutually exclusive, which I think Dabo implied. I like Dabo, but that's not relevant to the content of my post.
How sustainable is it? What if a kid chooses to play with his NIL money-bought toys instead of practice and play ball?
The coach can discipline or dismiss the player, same as always, same as when bagmen illegally paid the players.
Do you cut him off; what happens to the money if you do?
Those who pay the NIL money can choose whether or not to cut off the money (if the contract is smart), or fail to renew the NIL deal. It's in the player's best financial interest to perform, just like it was when bagmen illegally paid them.
What is to stop someone from giving a kid on someone else's roster money to blow a game?
That's always been illegal. NIL didn't make it legal.
I agree that there should be rules around NIL to enforce the legitimacy. Dr. Pepper paying DJ to do a commercial is fine. A group of rich boosters pooling their money to pay an entire team is not. But the Supreme Court opened up Pandora's Box, so LEGALLY, I fear that it's impossible to approve some NIL deals and disapprove others because it's too subjective, there's too much gray area, and there are too many loopholes. Hope I'm wrong.
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Re: Well, we beat Bama for the CFP title in 2016 and 2018. Bama
Feb 9, 2022, 8:21 PM
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Well, we beat Bama for the CFP title in 2016 and 2018. Bama is not exactly a great academic school.
Bama has crappy academics but we beat them before NIL so I don't understand your point.
I've been saying all along that the NIL will not last. The alumni and general fans will not sustain a large NIL program over decades.
Rich-booster bagmen have been illegally buying recruits for decades. It will surely be more sustainable now that it's legal via NIL. For example, a football-loving Stanford tech-billionaire could buy a team full of 5-star recruits for $500k/player for decades (via NIL) without even putting a scratch in the billionaire's wealth.
Dabo is correct, there will be thousands of players stuck in the portals this year, and every year to come.
The portal is a different issue than NIL. I made no comment about the portal.
Do you really think all of those schools you listed have more difficult academics. Clemson has great engineering and architecture schools.
The schools I listed are rated higher academically than my beloved alma mater, Clemson. Sorry. That's just a fact. I love Clemson but I'd rather have Stanford on my resume.
Shoot, we have engineering students from all over the east coast come to Clemson for engineering undergrad and grad school.
Even crappy-academics schools like Bama have students come from all over the country (and the world).
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Yeah you named schools where
Feb 9, 2022, 11:21 PM
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Non student athletes have better curriculum in the areas those universities are known for but speaking of the average non-Clemson student athlete those schools value cheerio line production degrees for "atheletes" over getting them in a more personal "what can you achieve" school like your alma mata.
Hell, Duke has wonderful med programs etc... but I can't understand the grammar of their basketball athletes after they graduate to the pros in one year! Same with Miami in football and note dame along with bout every school you named.
I hate you don't respect your Alma mater enough to cipher the difference between student athletes and general students when it comes to academic offerings. On the flip side I get what you saying about sustainable activities. Maybe you had a bad day or just fn with someone on here. Idk. Don't matter I guess.
Had to edit this, bring ur diploma in arts over here and I'll write Stanford on it with some red crayons. I got the big 168 crayon box so I can match it up good the we can take that diploma and fold it up real nice and send it straight up ur pooper and u can tell people u crap Stanford diplomas when u get that big job teaching daycare.
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Andrew Luck graduated Stanford in Architecture
Feb 10, 2022, 11:34 AM
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FSU safety, Myron Rolle, was a Rhodes scholar at FSU. He played in the NFL, went to Harvard Medical School, and is now a neurosurgeon. Not all student athletes get crappy degrees.
I've worked with former football players from Notre Dame & Stanford. They were really smart, driven guys. I personally know a 5-star player who couldn't get into Stanford because of academics, despite having good SATs and a B average. Most schools lower their academic admissions standards for top tier football & basketball players, but not all schools drop those standards to the NCAA-minimum.
I have a Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering from Clemson. That degree got me job offers right out of college and served me well working in high-tech ever since. But more doors would have opened if that were a Stanford electrical engineering degree. Stanford has far higher admissions standards and is more prestigious than Clemson. Stanford grads, on average, earn more than Clemson grads. Sorry. That's just a fact.
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I was just beatin a dead horse but...
Feb 10, 2022, 12:24 PM
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Don't pull out a name here and there. Of course there are many student athletes with great degrees from every school. I thought this discussion was on nil and transfers. We are speculating the future outcome of this mess and yes I did mess with you because you drone but I understand how you feel and since this is a safe space im gonna concede Andrew luck graduating with his awesome degree wins tigernet. - me bowing out...
Still got them crayons. I have a fantastic set of markers too!
By the way, kudo on the double E from Clemson. I sincerely hope u were playing when you said you would trade it for another schools degree. Dem Clemson engineering degrees show you have serious drive and some turbo boosters.
Had to edit... did a little on the internet search and I think I know why Stanford is rated so high. Olin and UC Cal Berkley ?? is higher but it say part of the criteria to get in is ur mother and father have to not be related. I'm jk fkr
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Re: TNET: As NIL changes landscape of college football, Swinney preaches education first
Feb 9, 2022, 1:49 PM
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Thanks Coach Swinney for speaking the truth. Sitting out a year would certainly make these young people think about their lives and futures. Clemson is blessed to have coaches that believe in education first. God bless and go Tigers!
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I agree and understand BUT a 18 year old kid does not really
Feb 9, 2022, 9:40 PM
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Care about education if he can make life changing money in college…and that’s just facts…..sure a few may not care about he money but 98% will.
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And u are spot on... life changing money for everyone around them
Feb 9, 2022, 11:41 PM
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Few semesters and everybody in the family maxed out credit with ultra low down payments (not all but more than dont) and suddenly you got a kid with 6 figure or more debt with his people depending on him to make sure he goes pro because lives are ruined if he doesn't and then the mental health is deplorable. When that happens what are us a fans gonna say. We will have to take some responsibility because we watch it, buy it, feed it, etc... and a few yes later gumbles doing a 30 for 30 about college kids and the role dried up flooding money was the main cause of tragedies. I. Glad Dabo has his mindset cause if I was an a&m fan or one I of the booster mills now I don't know if I could buy into it. I'm still not watching Penn St games. Chits gotta stop somewhere.
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Re: TNET: As NIL changes landscape of college football, Swinney preaches education first
Feb 10, 2022, 1:44 PM
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ah c'mon Dabo - you know Jumbo said that NIL has nothing to do with recruiting....you know my only serious comment here is how could the folks behind this ever have thought or said with a straight face that NIL was NOT linked with recruiting. That is ALL it is and Dabo is 100% correct, it minimizes the primary reason 98% of college athletes go to college - education.
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