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TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 13, 2022, 8:00 AM
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I agree that a change is needed - I have hated the long
Feb 13, 2022, 8:26 AM
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periods of time between meeting other teams. I even posted on here that we could eliminate that problem by having 2 different teams (two that are permanent rivals) switch divisions each year. That would allow every team to play every other team at least every other year (I think- but I obviously haven't thought as well as David) and still keep divisions and easy tiebreakers for a championship game. This way there could even be interesting championship game matchups occasionally like Clemson - FSU in years that had them in opposite divisions.
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Re: I agree that a change is needed - I have hated the long
Feb 13, 2022, 3:43 PM
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I like the way you think Clover..
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You are correct, David. That is the best scenario...
Feb 19, 2022, 8:03 AM
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I'm sure there will be some disagreement on the four team groupings. For example...NC State may not really want to play Clemson every year, and prefer to be in with Wake, UNC & Duke, which would make for an easier schedule for them.
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 13, 2022, 8:36 AM
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Will not work because there are 4 NC schools within an hour of each other, UVA has 2 historical matchups, Va. Tech and UNC and would lose one of those. Bad idea. You don't erase history by tearing down statues and you don't mess with football rivalries.
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 13, 2022, 9:16 AM
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Nail on the head right there. Totally agree.
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 13, 2022, 1:11 PM
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Yep. They call it the "South's Oldest Rivalry" and it's a big deal for retailers in both states with all the Wine and Cheese sales.
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 13, 2022, 4:30 PM
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But it’s really not. I believe that title belongs to UGA and Auburn.
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AU-UGA is the Deep South’s Oldest Rivalry.
Feb 13, 2022, 5:20 PM
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I think it started the same year but don’t believe that one is continuous and believe the UNC-UVA is
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 13, 2022, 9:54 AM
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UVA may see UNC as a rivalry, but it doesn't get much thought in the other direction. Some people would lose a game with their 3rd biggest rivalry for the sake of others where pointing to their rivals was tougher. New rivalries would develop from seeing teams every year.
Does anyone think that GT is a rivalry game that has to be protected at all costs? Even if we lost that game, we would still play them every other year under this proposed format. That is still more than UGA who I still consider a rival.
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 13, 2022, 12:56 PM
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This is precisely why you assign 3 permanent teams to each league team to start. UNC vs UVA might not seem like a rivalry to many but it's one of the longest running annual games in all of college football and you just don't mess with that kind of thing if you can avoid it.
An ideal set-up for this for today's ACC would look like this...
Clemson - Ga Tech, NC State, FSU
UNC - Duke, NC State, UVA
FSU - Miami, Clemson, Syracuse*
Ga Tech - Clemson, Duke, Louisville
Duke - UNC, Wake, Ga Tech
NC State - UNC, Wake, Clemson
Miami - FSU, BC, Pitt
UVA - Va Tech, UNC, BC
Wake - NC State, Duke, Louisville
Louisville - Va Tech, Ga Tech, Wake
Va Tech - UVA, Pitt, Louisville
Pitt - Syracuse, Va Tech, Miami
Syracuse - BC, Pitt, FSU*
BC - Syracuse, Miami, UVA
* Syracuse vs FSU is a north/south extreme fix, and would be important to get Syracuse's full buy in o this as they would have an annual game vs a team in Florida.
UVA and BC are kind of a like-minded fit, not perfect, but if Louisville can be annually matched with UVA as they are now this makes even more sense IMO. Louisville and Wake seems more in tune, and they play now annually already.
As far as then playing every other ACC team at least twice every four years from there, I would rather see the league schedule it so that home/away games happen in back to back years and not separated by a year. Would rather the revenge/payback game happen immediately, then crank it again two years later. All of these formats though are all easy enough to schedule league wide with 4 home and 4 away for all.
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 13, 2022, 1:20 PM
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Nah. Miami and VT will want to play their rivalry game that goes back to the Big East days. That was THE game in the old Big East. VT's would probably be UVA, Miami and Pitt.
I think Clemson would get GT, FSU and possibly Louisville. NCState would be in the permanent rivalry mix with the other three NC schools.
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 13, 2022, 1:38 PM
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The NC schools already don't schedule each other all annually today. Wake and UNC, and Duke and NC State are on the current 6-year plan. 2x every four years would be a major improvement over that for all involved and shouldn't come at the expense of us vs NC State, which brings out a lot of passions in both fan bases, and UVA vs UNC, which is over 100 years old and running.
I hear you with Miami and Va Tech, certainly some great games between them back in the day, but Miami / BC was also up there at the time, and now it's nonexistent. Not quite as much history with the Big East to draw on. Worst case if any team isn't matched up yearly you at least get to play twice every four, which is close enough to keep the passions burning in between, unlike now.
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 13, 2022, 1:49 PM
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Wake and UNC have been scheduling one another as a non conference game in the years they don't pay. Remember they got that approved. Kind of sad they have to do that since they are in state rivals.
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 13, 2022, 1:59 PM
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Yes but they don't do that for every off year, just a few. And it is sad. Divisions have cut off many otherwise natural rivalries. We all suffer lesser regular season schedules because of them.
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 13, 2022, 4:30 PM
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Football rivalries in the ACC?? LMAO conference expansion has cost great rivalries such as Texas vs Texas A&M and Nebraska vs Oklahoma. God forbid precious Tobacco Road “football” rivalries get messed with.
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 13, 2022, 9:27 AM
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It isn’t complicated:
Play each of the other 13 teams three times every five years. That leaves one extra game. Schedule that game against the rival. So for every five-year period, you play three games against 12 teams and four games against the rival. If you absolutely have to play the rival every year, then one in five does not count as a conference game. I really don’t like the idea of having two or three rivals that you play every year.
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 13, 2022, 9:46 AM
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Can we kick Syracuse, Boston college, wake forest, and looserville out then add Notre Dame? Puts us under the 12 limit. Just kidding. If they won't let us get rid of divisions why not go to 3 rotating games against the other division with no permanent cross division rival?
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I think 14 teams is way too many NOT to have divisions
Feb 13, 2022, 10:29 AM
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It would be different if there were an odd # of teams. And for the record, UGA played TAM in 2019
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Re: I think 14 teams is way too many NOT to have divisions
Feb 13, 2022, 11:19 AM
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@A&m was the statement
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How ‘bout, the TWO teams with best record play …
Feb 13, 2022, 12:19 PM
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In the ACC Championship, that’s it. And during the regular season you go around and play other teams in the Conference, that’s it. I think the article said that HOWEVER !
No more FCS games. Only play FBS teams. FCS I think is dead and mostly a waste of time. If I was King there would be 10 required ACC games … that would leave room for say the Fighting Chickens game and say a game against say PAC 12, B12, B10, another SEC game, heck SunBelt. Love to see Clemson play Coastal Carolina or perhaps App State or THE James Madison University, one of my Alma Maters.
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I call B.S. on parts of what are being considefered
Feb 13, 2022, 12:35 PM
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but I am absolutely call B.S. on Notre Dame being a member of the ACC. PERIOD. I that John Swofford who red out the ACC the way he did and do NOT want to see any variance and exceptions made for Notre Dame at all.
That's like spitting in our ACC members and fans) faces. All In or all out. Screw them!
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 13, 2022, 1:14 PM
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re rack and stack after every year...
Two best teams get the top spots on each side, then alternate sides to fill out the sides. The schedule is based on rank vs rank not team vs team...
there is not a must play rival in the ACC is there?
Something like this, after this season the rack would look like this. The best teams play a harder and harder schedule as the season goes on and worst teams play a lighter schedule as the season goes on.
This would be the racking order after last season...
Odda play the evens even plays the odds (this is just a notional rotation)
1. Pitt 7-1 / 11-3 (ACC Champs)
2. Wake 7-1 / 11-3
3. Clemson 6-2 /10-3
4. NCS 6-2 / 9-3
5. Miami 5-3 / 7-5
6. UVA 4-4 / 6-6
7. VT 4-4 / 6-7
8. Louisville 4-4 / 6-7
9. FSU 4-4 / 5-7
10. UNC 3-5 /6-7
11. BC 2-6 / 6-6
12. Syr 2-6 / 5-7
13. GT 2-6 / 3-9
14. Duke 0-8 / 3-9
Game 1:
1 vs 14 / Pitt vs Duke
2 vs 13 / Wake vs GT
3 vs 12 / Clemson vs Syracuse
etc,
Game 2:
1 vs 12 / Pitt vs Syr
2 vs 11 / Wake vs BC
3 vs 10 / Clemson vs UNC
etc.
Game 3
1 vs 10 / Pitt vs UNC
2 vs 9 / Wake vs FSU
3 vs 8 / Clemson vs Louisville
etc.
Game 4
1 vs 8 / Pitt vs Louisville
2 vs 7 / Wake vs VT
3 vs 6 /Clemson vs UVA
etc
Game 5
1 vs 6 / Pitt vs UVA
2 vs 5 / Wake vs Miami
3 vs 4 /Clemson vs NCS
etc
Game 6
1 vs 4 / Pitt vs UVA
2 vs 3 / Wake vs Clemson
3 vs 2 /Clemson vs Wake
etc
Game 7
1 vs 4 / Pitt vs UVA
2 vs 1 / Wake vs Miami
3 vs 14 /Clemson vs Duke
etc
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Never mind me
Feb 13, 2022, 1:28 PM
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what I said first made no sense.
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 13, 2022, 1:19 PM
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Under this plan, in year 3 the home games would be FSU (unchanged from year 1), as well as Duke and Miami (flipped from away in year 1). The away games would be GIT and NCSU (unchanged from year 1), as well as Syracuse, UNC, and WFU (flipped from home in year 1). Thus we would have 3 home and 5 away games. A similar analysis of year 4 gives 5 home and 3 away games.
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 13, 2022, 2:30 PM
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Disband the ACC, kick ND out, have a Yankee Conference and a Grit conference... Then play all the teams in your conference and then every team negotiates the rest of their games as they choose...
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 13, 2022, 4:17 PM
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Does it really matter? Wow Clemson is going to play at VA. There's only a handful of teams in the ACC that move the needle. Been a while since Clemson played a home ACC game to get excited about.
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 13, 2022, 4:27 PM
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Easy. The numbers one and two play in the ACCCG.
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 13, 2022, 4:51 PM
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What about the conference alliance with the Big 10 (?)and PAC 12? Are there going to be games scheduled between the three conferences? I agree 100% about doing away with divisions. I also thought the way you scheduled games was great. As to rivals, NCS, Florida State, and Georgia Tech sound good to me! All of this makes football season more fun ??!
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 14, 2022, 8:03 AM
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That was said only to give the SEC something to think about before they begin their super conference.
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 13, 2022, 5:06 PM
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I don't like the idea that a team might have to beat another team twice in a season in order to win a conference title. And I don't like the idea that a team that loses the conference championship might go on to win the natty.
If the CFP is expanded, break up each 14-16 team league into conferences with only 8 teams in them and every conference champ makes the expanded playoff. The ACC South has Miami, FSU, UCF, GT, Clemson, NCSU, UNC, and Wake. ACC North has VT, Virginia, Louisville, Pitt, BC, ND, Cuse, and Cincinnati (Perhaps for old times sake we should call this league the ACC EAST)
The SEC East is Florida, Georgia, Auburn, SC, Tennessee, Kentucky, Vandy and Bama. The SEC West is Ole Miss, Miss State, LSU, Arkansas, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and Missouri. (This might be the SEC SouthWest.
Someone who cares can decide how to split the Worst Coast League and the Little Ten.
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 13, 2022, 9:23 PM
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Don't much care about getting rid of divisions, but would like to get rid of four teams...Pitt, Boston College, Syracuse, and Louisville. Then, add Coastal Carolina and University of Central Florida to get to an even dozen teams. More geographically logical.
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Nah. Get rid of ND and L’ville and add …
Feb 14, 2022, 8:27 PM
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Penn State, WVU, and CC …
This would make even 16.
ND should be in B10 and L’ville should be in B12
This would bring harmony to the Universe.
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Change is needed, but
Feb 13, 2022, 9:26 PM
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There should be no permanent rivals. It is a great disadvantage to have Florida State as a permanent rival while North Varolina has Duke. There are many other scenarios like that. Just keep rotating the teams and every team will play at least every other year. Everyone has the Atlanta and Florids presence for recruiting. But should no way have Florida State as a permanent rival while other schools have Duke, Boston College, Virginia, Syracuse. Wake etc. Etc.
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 14, 2022, 12:41 AM
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I never understood why Swofford acted the ##### to allow ND to be a partial member. I don't like Swofford now or ever. He "negotiated" a pisspoor deal for the ACC, way less than other Power 5 Conferences and again, he whooredout the ACC to accommodate the arrogant folks at ND.
don't have a good feeling about either our new ACC Commissioner nor our new AD.
NOW is not the time for more drastic changes, especially when made by newcomers. It seems as though traditions mean nothing to Misters Phillips or apparently Nef, if he is for this series of changes. Stop fixing the dammed things that aren't broken!
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 14, 2022, 8:07 AM
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Surely you have to know that Swofford made that deal to fill his retirement fund/account!!!
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 14, 2022, 4:51 AM
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First, a sincere thanks to David Hood for putting together a well-thought out article for making the ACC a better conference by doing away with divisions. His plan attacks two problems that exist within our current Division system that most of us agree on: 1. ACC Championship games that do not always have the best two teams within the conference (mainly because of strength imbalances between the two divisions) and 2. Lengthy time frames between playing teams in the other division (exacerbated by uneven/unfair timeframes for visiting or hosting those same teams).
David then proposed a workable plan that ensured that we would play 3 permanent ACC rivals each year, and that also ensured we played every other team in the conference once every other year. Furthermore, his plan guaranteed that we would both host and visit each of our non-permanent ACC rivals once every 4 years! All of those features would be a tremendous improvement to our current ACC Division system. Furthermore, his proposed plan is more likely to result in a more balanced playing schedule each year for each team. He also provided an example of how that system would work for Clemson over a 4 year time frame with his recommended 3 permanent ACC Rivals (FL State, GA Tech, & NC State), as well as the other ten ACC opponents.
I totally agree his plan beats our current Division system and any other plan I have previously read about. Furthermore, it also is better than any other plans or amendments to his plan that I've seen in response to his article. However, I do see some problems with his plan, and offer some preliminary suggestions:
1. While he proposed 3 permanent ACC rivals for Clemson, he did not propose what the 3 permanent rivals would be for all the other ACC teams. However, wildblulou® offers his recommendations for all the other ACC teams, which looks pretty good for a starting point. However, all the other ACC teams would have agree to David's overall plan, as well as wildblulou®'s proposal for their permanent rivals. I'm sure there would have to be some negations to reach agreement for everybody's 3 permanent rivals.
2. I actually agree with David's proposed permanent rivals for Clemson. They are all long-standing rivalries for us. Furthermore, they offer differing strength levels as our permanent rivals: 1. FL State traditionally is our strongest rivalry, both in fan support and in team strength. However, this may change if they don't turn their program around to previous Bowden/Fisher strength levels. 2. GA Tech is a long-standing rival both as an ACC member, as well as an SEC member & as an Independent. However, they are currently a weak-sister rival--but, that's not all bad if we're trying to have a fairness throughout the conference in strength levels of permanent rivals. They're also a close-by rival, which is good for both fan bases for travel arrangements. Atlanta is also a good recruiting area for both teams. 3. NC State is a long-standing rival (one of the original ACC conference members, and has one of the strongest fan rivalries between us). Also, while I don't particularly like their current head coach, he has seemingly, finally turned the program around to be a more challenging rival on an annual basis. In fact, if FL State is not careful, NC State my overtake them as our most challenging ACC rival. Although I strongly support David's choice for all three, I am not opposed to being flexible in other choices, particularly in negotiations with other ACC members in reaching fairness in strength of permanent rivals throughout the conference. For example, I wouldn't mind having the following as our permanent rivals: VA Tech, UNC, Miami, Wake Forest, and VA. I'm not even opposed to Pitt, BC, or Louisville for negotiation purposes.
3. As I noted above, one of the challenges to David's plan is to ensure that all ACC conference teams have permanent ACC rivals that are balanced in strength levels (i.e., no member should have all weak sisters or have all elite teams as their permanent ACC rivals)!!! His plan for the other 10 non-permanent rivals should be fairly balanced in scheduling on an annual basis, but also needs to be monitored to ensure its fair for all ACC members.
4. David's proposal is great if the ACC size stays at 14 conference members, & if the requirement to play 8 ACC teams remains the same. If either of these numbers change (or both change), it'll cause massive heart-ache to make fair adjustments. Or, we'll go back to to square one in planning a workable, sensible plan for all ACC members. I don't have any suggestions until I see the potential change in numbers!
5. We don't necessarily stand alone in any changes we make. Some on-going discussions may change our outlook. For instance:
a. What do we do if NCAA doesn't approve our plan to eliminate ACC Divisions, or if the NCAA itself loses control over setting rules for Power 5 Conferences?
b. Will ongoing increases in other Power 5 conference teams (Big 12 and SEC thus far) allow us to stay pat at 14 members? What happens if we're dealing with Super-sized Power 5 conferences?
c. Will on-going Alliance discussions between Power 5 conference members change the number of ACC games we play, of make other decisions which change what we decide?
d. How will on-going College Football Championship discussion affect our planning in the future.
e. Lots of unknowns going on currently within college football. Even if we come up with a plan within the ACC that all ACC members can agree to, when could we realistically make & implement these proposed changes?
In any case, I for one, agree with David's overall proposal and agree we need to push for a better and more fair scheduling of all ACC conference members without the unfair peculiarities of our current ACC Division system!
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 14, 2022, 10:19 AM
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Your comment is longer than the article, & for that you get a bravo & thumbs up.
The only thing I wanted to clarify is the BIG12 is adding teams, but they will top off at 14 just like the ACC so I don't think that part is one to worry about. Fascinating stuff though.
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 14, 2022, 7:38 AM
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The very best scenario I can think of, is to dismiss Notre Dame completely from playing any ACC team at any time. If ND don't want to be in full partnership with the ACC, then don't allow then a full time connection to the ACC with any of their sports bc, it isn't fair to any part of the ACC conference to allow just one team to have their cake (NBC) and never sharing a Penny of it!!!!
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I like the idea in theory, but
Feb 14, 2022, 10:04 AM
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The problem is Notre Dame is once again the most competitive team on the schedule.
Don't take for granted how much they help us in every sense of the term; the last time we went up there it was the highest-watched game of the season. That doesn't happen in-league, and the ACC Network contract is so atrocious there's no way we can coax Notre Dame to join the league even if we wanted to, but kicking them off our schedule is a concern for being able to control our own destiny to the playoff any given year.
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There is no such thing as a "rival" in ACC football
Feb 14, 2022, 8:42 AM
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There are just schools you want to play to help with recruiting.
Just play everyone every other year.
Clemson would play in North Carolina, Georgia, and Florida a lot under this scenario.
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 14, 2022, 9:22 AM
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If the NCAA makes your keep divisions just change the divisions every year to make the schedule work better.
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 14, 2022, 9:27 AM
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Dump 4 teams and go to everybody plays everybody.
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It's cool most players would see most campuses, but...
Feb 14, 2022, 10:02 AM
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Isn't that about it?
Like, these changes don't ensure we get to play the best teams in the league (& consequently we could accidentally get an uncompetitive or boring schedule) so I'm not sure I understand the point except for making sure we don't miss out on an ACC title game simply for having a single loss to a team in the same division like we sometimes see with teams like LSU & Alabama.
In contrast, the BIG12 didn't have divisions or a conference title game, they added a conference title game & it was immediately determinant for playoff spots and two Heismans in spite of being a guaranteed rematch. The games are great even when they're not determinant.
Bottom line, as long as the league keeps giving us no bye-week opponents every year I'm completely OK with keeping the ACC's future scheduling decisions exactly the way they are. As long as at least one power-5 champion (or Notre Dame) loses a game, we likely control our own destiny every season.
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It means the two best teams play each other in the ACC-CG
Feb 14, 2022, 12:32 PM
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It opens the door to see Clemson play FSU or NC State in the ACC-CG
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Re: It means the two best teams play each other in the ACC-CG
Feb 14, 2022, 1:18 PM
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I guess I'm not sure that's a good thing? After all, it could also be bad; the league improving overall is likely better than trying to adjust the matchup at week 13, particularly for a rematch.
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From a purely selfish standpoint, I would much rather us
Feb 14, 2022, 1:00 PM
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play and travel to UNC, Va Tech, Miami, Pitt, and even UVA more often than every season's Wake, BC, Syracuse, and Louisville. It could only help our recruiting efforts in VA and NC if we get to routinely throw the smack down on them, at their place. One trip to the entire state of Virginia once every 6 years just doesn't cut it.
From our own competitive schedule standpoint, it would still remain a bit of a crapshoot with some better and some worse (we can't play ourselves), but the league overall should benefit in having a greater variety of content each season, and each week for that matter. There's value to be had from the league's traditional top teams having an opportunity to play each other during the regular season more often. If it worked out where the two best weren't on each other's schedule, that just makes for a more compelling championship game to wrap it up.
One other problem with our current division structure is that unless you are a fan of an ACC school to begin with, they make no sense and are hard to follow. Why would anyone outside of our footprint know or care to know which teams are in the Atlantic or Coastal division, and how any game going on would impact that? The Big Ten discovered that quickly with their Leaders and Legends divisions, ditching a similar "balanced" approach with a geographic scattering intended to produce a more compelling championship game to its more lopsided East / West format of today, which is much easier to follow for the casual fan.
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Re: From a purely selfish standpoint, I would much rather us
Feb 14, 2022, 1:20 PM
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From a selfish standpoint, I hear you on that!
For me, selfishly I'm still glad we get:
a.) no bye-week opponents (thank you again, ACC office!)
b.) no Thursday OR Friday games
c.) seven home games outright
Keeping my fingers crossed for a rematch with a 7-5 NC State just isn't doing it for me (& I never want to go back to Pitt again).
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 17, 2022, 11:40 AM
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The biggest issue is getting the NCAA to buy into it. Assuming that occurs, then I favor a rotation that insures frequent battles with each of the schools. To me, schools could name one, or at most, two rivals and the rivalry would be confirmed only if both schools put their vote in. I know that will cause some problems in NC, but that cannot be helped. To me, Clemson has no natural rivals in the ACC. Their two rivals are South Carolina and UGa. FSU would have been the rival a few years ago and may emerge again, but that is based on success rather than true regional and historic rivalry, so there is no reason for Clemson to have to play any particular school every year. If this is to do what the ACC wants, which is to improve revenue and league respectability, then the rotations should be flexible. Make sure that we get a chance to play the best teams in the league if Clemson returns to the dominant form we experience before this last year. As much as possible, a good ACC team should not be dinged for playing a weak schedule.
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 17, 2022, 11:41 AM
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Without reading the article is this for all sports or just changing football to be like basketball.
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Re: TNET: Doing away with ACC's divisions is an idea whose time has come
Feb 18, 2022, 11:56 PM
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So many permutation it makes your head spin. I don't think much will happen UNTIL the new playoff scenario emerges since that is all anyone cares about at this point - for better or worse. Look at 2020, we had no reason to care if we lost to ND or not because we knew we would play again and that game would be the one that mattered, and it did. The think we really need to do, as already suggested, is play more conference game and get rid of the junk games. They do not help anyone other than putting some $ into the smaller schools. Right now the ACC is bad enough, why make your schedule worse? Play at least 9 plus the Coots and then 2 good inter-sectional teams. If you get through that you deserve to be in the playoffs and if don't you don't - make the season meaningful again. You do this for everyone and the cream will rise to the top. It is really not that difficult to figure out.
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