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ND, ACC & 16 Team Super Conferences in the very near future
Sep 13, 2012, 5:17 PM
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I feel that the union of ND and the ACC is a “bridge” to the not too distant future when we will see the formation of 16 team super conferences and quite possibly the end of the NCAA as we know it. ND was not going to make an “all in” commitment at this moment and nor should they. This commitment (one leg in the ACC pool) is a bridge to the unforeseen future when the dynamics of D-1 College Football will most certainly change. This commitment is a starting point of joining a conference where ND satisfies their economic integrity of their athletic program and appease the vast majority of their fan base by maintaining a high level of autonomy in schedules and revenues. When the time comes to become a full fledge member of the ACC (hopefully), the path will have already been cleared and a fan base indoctrinated to being an equal member in the conference. Good move on the part of ND and the ACC.
I do have several points or questions that come to mind about the future scenario of the ND / ACC package. First: Is ND subject to the ACC’s new 50 million dollar buyout if they should pull out of the football 5 game schedules of this agreement and move to another conference or return to total neutrality? What if they abandon the 5 game football commitment, but want to leave all of the “Olympic Sports” under the ACC umbrella. Second: Will the addition of a 15th member signal the addition that ND will very soon transition to a full member of the ACC? Third: Could we possibly see a potential TV package between the ACC / ND with NBC in 2015?
There are many other questions and scenarios that come to mind and I am sure that the “powers to be” have discussed them all at great detail. Hopefully, they will come to light as time moves on.
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ND is subject to the 50 million buyout immediately
Sep 13, 2012, 5:47 PM
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the NBC thing could be in play when it comes to the orange bowl. but the only tv leeway we really have to beg ESPN to give us more money based on market factors. we can't take the contract to the open market anymore. there is not possibility of an ACC network either bc ESPn also owns our 3rd tier rights. But word is the addition of ND should net us about 2 to 3 mil more per team and be equal to the Big 12 deal.
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Re: ND is subject to the 50 million buyout immediately
Sep 13, 2012, 6:34 PM
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The 3 ND games isn't going to increase the contract by 42 mil. I don't know where you guys are getting this fantasy from.
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I'm getting it from everyone else talking about it. Hence
Sep 13, 2012, 7:34 PM
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the term "word is".
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Re: I'm getting it from everyone else talking about it. Hence
Sep 13, 2012, 8:42 PM
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Who? Fellow tnetters?
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Sep 14, 2012, 10:46 AM
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Re: ND is subject to the 50 million buyout immediately
Sep 13, 2012, 7:45 PM
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Its not that adding 3 games will get us 46 Million. Adding ND gives us the ND TV market. This includes not just football, but all sports. That includes not only Indiana, but parts of Illinois(Chicago), and Michigan. If you don't think ESPN is salivating over the idea of Broadcasting ACC basketball in that market, you are crazy.
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Re: ND is subject to the 50 million buyout immediately
Sep 13, 2012, 8:45 PM
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Basketball is only 20% of our contract. It still is not going to increase by 3 mil per team per year. That's a fantasy. If espn were willing to give that much for the ND Basketball and 2 to 3 football games a year don't you think they would have already offered them 42 mil for them to have all to them selves back in 2008 before they signed with NBC? It isn't going to happen.
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The ACC, as constituted, can't sign with w/ NBC,
Sep 13, 2012, 8:07 PM
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but ND (as a non FB member)can. Once they then join as a full FB member they may be able to fold a big new NBC TV deal for ND home games into the ACC pool to for all to split. Assuming the ACC was paying about $20M++ per team (incl ND road games in confernce) and ND could get a $20M deal with NBC for home games - all is even for a combined split and the ACC gets full exposure on ESPN and NBC. I'm wondering if that could work in the event ESPN doesn't want to throw big $$ to the ACC.
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The ACC is under contract with ESPN until 2027
Sep 13, 2012, 6:31 PM
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they can't sign with any other network until then. They can renegotiate with ESPN now that they've added ND and every few years they have a look in clause to make sure their contract is comparable with other conferences, but at the end of the day they can't leave ESPN for any reason.
As for the 16 team conferences. I don't see that happening. Right now it would take 1 more conference other than the Big East to collapse. I don't see any of the 5 big ones going any where. If they were all to go to 16 teams you'd have to add 17 schools among the 5 of them. Where are you going to find 17 quality schools that would interest any of those conferences for expansion? You won't, so the mega conferences won't happen!
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Re: The ACC is under contract with ESPN until 2027
Sep 13, 2012, 6:33 PM
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why would you wanna leave espn?the mothership rules the tv/sports/media world
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I never said we should, in fact I said we can't***
Sep 13, 2012, 6:33 PM
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Nope, we signed a 15 year deal this year***
Sep 13, 2012, 6:36 PM
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holy ducknuts never realized that***
Sep 13, 2012, 6:39 PM
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Re: The ACC is under contract with ESPN until 2027
Sep 13, 2012, 7:38 PM
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While I agree with most of your analysis and by no means taking the opposing viewpoint, do feel there are two conferences to be pillaged. The Big East and the Big 12.
The remaining 4 conferences all have 3 or 4 bottom dwellers so quality schools may be subjective.
ACC needs 1 additions
SEC needs 2 additions
Big needs 4 additions
Pac 12 needs 4 additons
So if my numbers are right only 11 "quality schools" need relocation.
Such as BYU, Air Force, Houston, SMU, Louisvlle, Kansas, Kansas ST., Navy, Iowa or Iowa St(I forget which is in Big 12 sorry), Baylor, Etc. And of course this ###### would leave Texas, Okla., Okla. St., TCU as the song says "Looking for a home."
My point is forming 4 sixteen team conferences will not be difficult.
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The Big 12 just signed a long term TV contract which
Sep 13, 2012, 8:22 PM
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brings its members a ton of money and they have a signage of rights buyout which pretty much shuts the door on anyone leaving. They've also signed a major bowl deal with the SEC which should also bring in a ton of money. They seem pretty strong to me. What makes you think they are a conference that can be "pillaged?"
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Re: The Big 12 just signed a long term TV contract which
Sep 13, 2012, 8:41 PM
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I am not saying it will be pillaged but there is as much discontent with the bottom tier members as there was when nebraska, colorado, texas a&m and missouri left the union.
The Sec still wants to increase their footprint and are probably salivating at more Texas membership. The Big could easily absorb northern discontentents.
A move by listed members would be an even orupward move financially and a breathe of fresh air with new opportunities.
The big East nor the Big 12 should rest on their laurels.
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No one can leave b/c of the signage of rights deal.
Sep 13, 2012, 8:44 PM
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It would cost the teams moving and the SEC so much money to get them they wouldn't be able to profit on the move. Those 10 schools are locked in and not going anywhere.
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Re: No one can leave b/c of the signage of rights deal.
Sep 13, 2012, 8:55 PM
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Educate me "signage rights" equals what, please. If you can a hard number.
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It means the Big 12 gets all the TV money a team would
Sep 13, 2012, 9:01 PM
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make in the new conference. For example, if Texas would try to leave the Big 12 for the SEC, the Big 12 would keep Texas's cut of the Big 12 TV deal, all the $ Texas makes off the Longhorn Network, and the TV money Texas would make in the SEC. Neither Texas nor the SEC would be able to keep any of it. It's basically a poison pill.
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Re: It means the Big 12 gets all the TV money a team would
Sep 13, 2012, 9:09 PM
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Thanks and if that be the case and i am sure it is! Then let's not jump our presidents and AD's faulty thought processes. As that group in the Big 12 takes home the Blue Ribbon. LMAO
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That's why it blows my mind why people are griping about the
Sep 13, 2012, 9:16 PM
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$50 mil. When the Big 12 announced that deal everyone here was screaming for a response from the ACC so it can't get poached. Now that they've responded people think its too much. You can never satisfy everyone!
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Re: That's why it blows my mind why people are griping about the
Sep 14, 2012, 4:07 AM
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Does this poison pill have an ending date? And if so does it end in the 2015 or 2016 time period?
If it does then I stand by my pillage statement. 
If it has no ending then the Big 12 may never see 12 again.
The pill may well explain lack of interest by ND as well.
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Right now it would end in 13 years***
Sep 14, 2012, 10:48 AM
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Re: The ACC is under contract with ESPN until 2027
Sep 14, 2012, 11:11 AM
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You seem to think this has pushed the ACC into the big 4 somehow. If you thinkt hat when it goes to 64, assuming it does, that Duke, BC, Wake, etc are going to have a place while UT, Oklahoma, etc have to be moved in, you are mistaken. If it goes to 4 big conferences it will still be the ACC that is forced to split unless some other circumstances change before the move. Adding ND as a nonfootball member has not changed this.
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Re: The ACC is under contract with ESPN until 2027
Sep 14, 2012, 2:03 PM
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I really wish there was a way to make posts of people with a less than 50% Tigerpulse rating invisible.
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Re: The ACC is under contract with ESPN until 2027
Sep 14, 2012, 9:51 PM
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you have to admit, having the gamecock avatar and a 34 pulse is pretty impressive.
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Re: ND, ACC & 16 Team Super Conferences in the very near future
Sep 13, 2012, 6:48 PM
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I am curious as to how we can negotiate a TV deal with ND because they are not in the ACC in football? What would keep all the other conferences they play game with to do the same thing?
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We can't***
Sep 13, 2012, 6:50 PM
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the 5 garunteed games and the and occasional neutral site
Sep 13, 2012, 7:38 PM
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games make the product more valuable when you make the schedule. The ACC will take take the rotation and planned NS games to the ACC and say "how much is this worth?"
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We will need two new football teams to get to 16
Sep 13, 2012, 8:47 PM
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BECAUSE WE ARE ONLY AT 14 NOW
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Re: We will need two new football teams to get to 16
Sep 13, 2012, 9:15 PM
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THis thread is in the future after ND fully joins...
I say we add Navy as number 16
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Re: The ACC is under contract with ESPN until 2027
Sep 14, 2012, 4:42 AM
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I understand about the contract being binding through 2027 but don't agree with the "can't for any reason" part of your reply. Where there is a will there is a way should we as a conference or ESPN see the necessity to end this contract. I didn't see in that link if there were any buyouts or what would happen should this relationship end but feel certain the ACC and ESPN know those details. Quite honestly I would love to see us make a move to NBC. As long as we are with ESPN we will be relegated to playing second fiddle to the SEC which is something that just really sits wrong with me. As a matter of fact I don't watch ESPN unless they have the ACC on. IMO the time has come to stop providing them with tv ratings for their SEC lovefest and I am doing my part to back the ACC instead no matter how small an impact that may be currently.
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York, you don't have to post with your scoks anymore.
Sep 14, 2012, 10:49 AM
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Just poking fun at you brother york. Don't go getting into a 'tizzy!'
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