I guess they're OK. They seemed a little bewildered and overwhelmed by the whole event. None of them I talked to expected to win...they were just happy to be there and not freezing their azzes off in Pittsburgh, I suppose. Even though the weather was crappy by our standards.
Again, I'm wondering if they are really a good fit in the ACC, along with BC and Syracuse. I really question why they are in our conference. Fanbases just have nothing in common.
Wife of RB said it best: I wish we were playing a Southern team. At least we could jaw back and forth with their fans and have some fun with that. With Pitt, you just shake your head and wonder why they're even here.
The Pitt Fans I met in some of Restaurant/Bars were Great!
Dec 2, 2018, 4:46 PM
Had a chance to meet a few in the lobby for a Wine Social in the Hotel Lobby. Then the next day at Lunch near the Stadium there was at least 12-15 in there. We talked about our Teams, Charlotte as a Host Venue, among a variety of things. Several even complimented our Southern Culture as refreshing for being Nice and Kind. We both agreed that ever Group always has that one that's an ###. Glad they are in the ACC!
I didn't go to Charlotte for the game...I was very impressed
Dec 2, 2018, 4:46 PM
with the attendance due to the weather. I made the call not to go because of the rain....wish I did go though. I thought...least from the TV...Pitt had more fans there than I would thought.
I was 14 year old at the time... my Uncle and Aunt took me to the 1977 Gator Bowl against Pitt. We out numbered the Pitt fans 3 to 1 as I remembered. The game sucks of course....but I do remembered Pitt fans being rather cocky back then before the game. Then again from the mid-70's to the early 80's Pitt was a powerhouse.
Still I wonder the same thing...does Pitt, Syracuse and BC belong in the ACC?
1 - Their adult male fans like to wear Dan Marino and Tony Dorsett jerseys. Grow-up fellas.
2 - They cannot hold their alcohol. Seemed like a lot if in ended up on their shoes.
3 - They use the "f" word a lot...A LOT !!!!
4 - They are very sensitive about the lousy attendance at their home games
5 - They are also very sensitive about James Franklin's ongoing refusal to acknowledge Pitt as a Penn State rival. Pitt is 2-9 in the last eleven meetings against Penn State.
6 - I thanked a few of them for their 48-14 loss to Penn State in 1981. Pitt was undefeated at 10–0 and number one in the nation. That loss cost Pitt a chance for its second national title in five years and sent Clemson to the Orange Bowl to face Nebraska.
What do/did we have in common with MD, UVA, Duke, UNC, Wake? All founding members of the ACC, and I'd argue we're not any more dissimilar from them as we are Pitt. Also Pitt does exude some of that BC-esque toughness most years that you have to admire. We don't have much in common with any conference member except FSU and NC State.
There really isn't a good comparison to Clemson... we are exceptional by nature. That being said, if you were looking at just the *type* of school we are for similarities, then Purdue is our closest kin. Land-grant Ag/industrial focused school with higher academic standards that the "flagship"... and named after the benefactor. The only difference is that we had a stronger military emphasis and they were stricter in their Morril application.
I don't know... my son yells "Go Tigers" at our Duke neighbors. That is key, overlapping fanbases. I works with Wake, UNCheaters, State, FSU, PITT, GT folks. Lots of family with VT backgrounds. I even used to work with a BC person. I am fine with the current conference make up save Louisville and would rather have the Service Academies. Oh well.
There are a lot of ways to look at it, I suppose, but I view most fan bases as being more similar than different. Take Boston College for example. They don't have the attendance or tailgating we have, but the fans they do have are typically devoted, knowledgeable, and very nice. I consider our fans to be devoted, knowledgeable, and nice as well, so would say we have a lot in common with them - even though the two schools are located very far apart.
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"Again, I'm wondering if they are really a good fit in the ACC, along with BC and Syracuse. I really question why they are in our conference. Fanbases just have nothing in common."
Until the ACC heads get together and fire Swofford, the ACC will continue to strive to become more of a BBall conference. We don't really need teams from the north that prefer watching hockey or even teams like BC that prefer to watch the NFL and bball and BBall rather than college football. If the ACC wants to be a BBall conference, and CLEMSON wants to be a Football school, then we should attempt to get into the SEC, and then the CFP would just have 3 SEC teams and one ROY team from some other conference. ESPN would be happy, Kirk would be happy, USUC would never make the SEC Least championship game (if they let us into the Least division), and we would play Bama each year in the SECCG, and then again in the NC game. Life would be as we expect it to be.
Clemson could not have asked for Conference realignment and the CFP to evolve more favorably for us. Things may not be "southern" or football driven at all times. But since all the changes occurred, we've had to build new trophy cases
I've been to a lot of away games and bowl games against a lot of opponents from all over the country. Most of the time, I've found the fans of the other schools to be good natured, social and hospitable. This includes the fans of Syracuse, Louisville, and BC. The Pitt fans I ran across in Charlotte this weekend fit that profile. Nice collegiate types who enjoy supporting their team as much as Clemson fans enjoy supporting our Tigers. For every bad story I can tell (say some Syracuse fans at the McNabb Gator Bowl Slaughter) there are more good stories I can tell about every fan base (say the 'Cuse fans last year before, during, and after they beat us in the Carrier Dome).
Now about Swofford: Swoffie is a tarheel to the core, but while he has been the ACC Commissioner, the league has blossomed while the Big East self destructed and the Pac 12 became immaterial. While bluebellied Swoffie has been commissioner, the Big 12 lost Nebraska to the Big 10 and Colorado to the far west and TAMU and Missouri to the SEC and tried to replace those conference stalwarts with West (by gawd) Virginia. While Swofford has been ACC Commissioner the Big 10 added Rutgers and Maryland as if that makes any sense at all. Playing 'Cuse, BC, Pitt, Louisville and Miami means that when Clemson is very good like we are now, we get broader national support than we would if we were an all southern league.
I boo Swofford when he's on the stage with Dabo and the boys taking bows for us being good just to remind him we have long memories and he's a bluebelly. He gets the message. But it is foolish not to recognize that the ACC has become better while he has been the commissioner.
Thank you for your post. I think some people here view any school that isn't in the south and isn't hard-core about football as being inferior and "not a good fit." As you stated, there are some great fan bases in other parts of the country, and thankfully some of those schools are now members of the ACC. The landscape of conferences has changed, and for the most part, I really like the changes the ACC has made.
So...mostly agree with your post...but you are an adult and actually boo another adult because of his affiliation and things that happened almost 40 years ago? Come on man...let it go. When you go to Washington DC, do you stand in front of the Lincoln Memorial and boo that too?
We need to give them a bit of a break. First they are yankees. Nothing wrong with that, my Mom was from the North and Dad from SC. But Northerners have a different perspective.
I remember when the Falcons were brand new. In the days of my childhood, fans had to pick between the Cowboys and the Redskins, because there was no pro teams closer to us. I picked the Cowboys until they started showing their Azzes in the 1990s.
Pittsburgh owned the Cowboys in the 1970s. Hacked me off.
Imagine trying to gin up support for a college football team in a city with storied NFL success in the distant and recent past. Where NFL, MLB, and even NHL squeeze out the sports page headlines. Kind of amazing they won a championship with Tony Dorsett and Cavanaugh.
In SC, college football is the whole deal. Even when USuck and Clemson both stunk, the winner of the football game was the be all and end all. Yeah, USuck had a few years of basketball success, but football is the the show in SC, any success in BBall is just gravy. Not so in NC or for that matter the remainder of the old ACC. USuck correctly recognized this as have we historically. It's part of what made them withdraw from the ACC. Clemson was pretty hacked off at the BBall centric orientation of the ACC in 1970 as well. We wisely decided to work from within to change it and with some rule changes, we got the the ability to compete in football and actually got competitive in BBall occasionally. We had not been for a long time in BBall, I remember in the late 60s Butch Zatezalo would score 25 points and Clemson would lose to a decent team by 25 anyway. But we held our own against the dirtpeckers in football, were always competitive in baseball, and eventually got competitive in BBall. I dare say in the last 30 years we have been well over .500 agaisnt USuck in basketball. We made the right decision. USuck has with limited exceptions continued to be mired in mediocrity in football. In Bball they made a splash two years ago but when the FBI eliminated the bagman they went back to the usual.
We should not try to judge Pitt football culture by our own lights. Different environment.
Be thankful Tigers! We are on top of the world and it will last forever. Think about the storied programs who would be happy to be where we are right now. Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, Southern Cal, LSU and Nebraska. Let's get it done!
It WON't last forever. Things will be good for some time, but I cautioned my kids the other day to relish these years because they are the best we have experienced (yes, even the 80's didn't hold a candle)...but some day, it will end. So, enjoy it!
the ones i talked to were pretty nice for the most part.
Dec 2, 2018, 8:32 PM
there was a group of them sitting near us that expressed frustration that they deffered after wining the coin toss, they were afraid we would get an early lead. they decided it was over after etn ripped that 75 yarder. they were also amazed that we stood up and yelled most of the game.
I thought they were pretty nice individuals. The ones I met in the hotel lobby and around the stadium were respectable. I saw lots of Steelers stuff though!! Maybe they were converted Steelers fans into Pitt fans just for this game? Surely, you should wear at least something U of Pitt related instead of Steelers, come on!
I do have two specific encounters:
1. We were huddled around one of the tvs watching the Bama game and a younger dude started talking to me. He said, "I was fortunate enough to watch the upset in 2016 in DV and I was blown away about the sportsmanship and respect you guys had for us. Your fans congratulated us after the game and it blew me away. I know we don't have much of a shot tonight, so got beat ND's ### after you beat us!"
2. In passing (at halftime), I heard one Pitt fan say to another, "Well we came somewhat close at one point but they're just too good and we can't stop them. Time to go home and get dry."
A little perspective for those who have never been...
Dec 3, 2018, 12:55 PM
As bigger cities go, you'll never find one with nicer people than Pittsburgh. It's a beautiful place, especially at night.
It's a pro sports town. They live and die by the Steelers, Penguins, and to some degree the Pirates, and rightfully so. The city of champions, indeed. It's not that they don't care about college football but it isn't held in the regard we do in the south by any measure. They regularly fill Heinz Field to about half capacity or a little better.
They know sports in Pittsburgh. Every detail, every nuance. Very educated and passionate about it. They probably wondered themselves what they were even doing on the same field with Clemson and had no delusions about the probable outcome. That said, they have some die hards and you can't blame them for wanting to experience the experience, especially given they snuck up on us 2 years ago.
I've been to Steeler and Pirate games in Pittsburgh and it's a hardcore sports and rock n roll town. There are some cities and fanbases I dislike, for sure, but Pittsburgh is just different.