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More on the earlier VN post
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More on the earlier VN post


Apr 1, 2022, 2:59 PM

Kids today not facing the draft could never understand how it affects your life.
In the 60's the body bags were on the news every night. Everyone knew someone dead or mangled, VN was real.

I did some quick research --

The draft was for 2 years (did some do 18 Months?). Because draftees served only for two years, it was not worthwhile putting them through long training programs. In my day it was 8 weeks basic, and about 12 weeks in advanced training. In the movies you got adults like John Wayne -- reality was teenagers. Most were small town boys who had no clue as to life.

Make no mistake, these kids were up to it as much as had been their Pops in WW11.
I fought bikers in 1990 at a Hank, Jr concert with this kid in the middle.


Army served “364 days and a wake-up” in VN, to be different Marines did 13 months.

Members of draft boards were under pressure from their family and from those with wealth and power to exempt potential draftees. Many kids were able to get into the National Guard.
Some had a political connection, or had a family doctor that could give them a medical deferment. Some could afford college. Poor kids were drafted.

There were about 27 million American men eligible for military service between 1964 and 1973. Of that number, 2,215,000 men were drafted into military service. Around 15 million were granted deferments.

There were more than 300,000 draft evaders. Some 100,000 deserted. 30,000 emigrated to Canada.

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Re: More on the earlier VN post


Apr 1, 2022, 3:03 PM

In Fall of 1966 I lacked the money to return to Clemson. My wonderful parents were already in debt paying off past loans for me at Clemson. The well was dry. Back then most could not work their way through Clemson as few jobs were near. About the only housing available was dorms.

I got a job with the highway department drawing up road blueprints and doing survey work.
I was living in a trailer with a rich kid who was going to Gardner Webb.
As soon as I lost my college status, got a letter to report to Ft Jackson for a physical.

I saw no reason to be "drafted" for 2 years if I could "enlist" for 4 years of war.

Lacking enough gas $$ to make it to Canada, I drove to Charlotte and signed up for 4 years on the "buddy plan" with my roommate. Uncle Sam said he needed us.



I failed my enlistment physical in Charlotte, tested deaf in one ear.
Reported to Ft Jackson for their draft physical 2 weeks later and passed.

I went back to Charlotte and showed them the Columbia results.
They put my buddy and I on a bus to Ft Bragg. I was at Bragg when I got a draft notice to report to Ft Jackson -- Drill SGT laughed at that as my a*s was already his.

I never made it to Viet Nam. Thanks to Clemson I could do math (this was before calculators when engineering students used slide rules). I was sent to a nuclear unit - 2nd USA Missile Detachment.
My buddy became a highly decorated Green Beret and extended in VN. When I got back home, he was waiting at my house and we again were roommates. The many slides he had of fighting in the war were awesome. He was beyond the lines with the Montagnard tribes.

I have always felt guilty about it all.

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Re: More on the earlier VN post


Apr 1, 2022, 3:20 PM

In 1970, I got 1 Hr. behind in my college studies and immediately got reclassified as 1-A which means I was draft eligible. Got called to get my physical examination at Ft. Jackson just before Thanksgiving.
I did not agree or support the Vietnam War but would not disregard my duty. If I got drafted, I would go. In the meantime, a friend and I applied with the National Guard and the Air Force Reserve. The National Guard called my friend. His lottery number was 61 so he had no choice and joined. In the meantime, The Air Force Reserve called me. My lottery number was 165. The war had begun slowing down but people were still dying. I decided to take a chance. They quit drafting that year at 150. I was very lucky. For those of you too young to know, all birthdays were drawn at random and your draft number was the number when your birthday was drawn. They had one shot at you and if you weren't drafted when you were eligible, your obligation was over. Our government needs to seriously think if any war is necessary. In my opinion, the Vietnam War was not and many young men and their families suffered greatly. Just my opinion.

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I did not agree or support the Vietnam War


Apr 1, 2022, 3:59 PM

I did. I 100% supported the USA. If my country was at war -- I was at war.
In the day all this mass of info (most of it is crap) was not available. Us kids were as naive as kids are today. Kids have more instant info these days, but most of it is crap.

No military can function if all members get a vote. Soldiers respond. No one bit*ches as much as soldiers, and few have as much reason to do so. It is the way of all armies. At the end of the day they quickly and efficiently respond as a unit.

In the day soldiers were classified as "US" (drafted) or "RA" (enlisted). The only way you could tell them apart was to look up their paperwork.



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Re: I did not agree or support the Vietnam War


Apr 1, 2022, 5:01 PM

The Marines had a 3 year enlistment during the VietNam war and, yes, I joined for the 3 years. Bored with life and suffering from a John Wayne complex will cause you to do some silly things. I was raised in a small backwoods mountain town and had the same outlook toward my country as you have stated. Got to Nam in December of '69 and was assigned to the 26th Marine Regiment which at the time was assigned perimeter guard along the mountain tops north of the DaNang air base. The 26th was one of the Marine units at the battle of Khe Sanh during the Tet offensive of '68. The 26th sustained heavy losses and morale in the unit was pretty low when I joined it. It was decided to pull the 26th out of Nam and back to Camp Pendleton after I had been there a couple of months or so. Since I hadn't been in country very long, I was transferred to another unit to complete my tour.

When I saw your VN post, just wanted to say "been there, done that".

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Do you see parallels between the pre-US


Apr 1, 2022, 5:26 PM [ in reply to Re: More on the earlier VN post ]

engagement in Vietnam and the Russo-Afghani conflict or between Vietnam and the current situation in Ukraine?

I see all three as situations in which the USSR/Russia/Communism had to be held in check. We learned from the mistakes made in prosecuting the war in Vietnam.

One important thing we learned is the the general public doesn't understand a defense strategy of defense-in-depth.

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Re: Do you see parallels between the pre-US


Apr 1, 2022, 6:19 PM

My main take is the USA did not go all out. Our boys deserve 100% of what we have. Instead politics just fed our kids into slaughter.
If we fight, I am all in.
All who believe the USA politicians were crap (nothing changes) raise your hand.

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I too was attacked


Apr 1, 2022, 4:13 PM

and suffered injury during my service.
One night in the 'Tanz Bar' I was viciously beaten by a local combatant. I blame it on the Cognac.
Heidi could hit hard to be so tiny. 55 years later she still gives me hell.


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Re: More on the earlier VN post


Apr 1, 2022, 5:02 PM

I volunteered for the draft at 17 years old in 1962...My parents had to sign
for me. After 8 weeks of basic and 8 weeks of AIT..I re-enlisted for another
year. I was very fortunate in being assigned to USARL which is Alaska. I was
trained as an 81mm gunner and a mountain soldier. Very hard training. We were
trained to fight the Russians. We could ski and had many skills.

We had over-seas pay since Alaska had only been a state for 3 years. When
Kennedy got killed we went on line for 24 hours and then was pulled back.
When the 1964 Earthquake hit we thought we were toast. We survived and pulled
many hours of guard duty in Anchorage and helped those who were in need.

I am thankful I was discharged before Viet Nam got hot. Some of my buddies
were not as fortunate. My hat is off to all those who served in Nam and I
will always remember how you were treated.

I also served 10 months in Ft. Hood Texas...hell hole.


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Alaska


Apr 1, 2022, 5:17 PM

Funny as biggest fear of mine was of the cold.
We got to fill out dream sheets.
1 - Hawaii
2 - India
3- VN (as that where we were all headed)

I was sent to the base of the Alps.

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Re: Alaska


Apr 1, 2022, 5:48 PM

Alaska was very cold and had 24hrs dark in winter and 24hrs light in summer.
Anchorage bars stayed open all night so we could stay out too late in summer.
This State is like a beautiful Tiger but don't try too pet.

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Sounds like you were familiar with his


Apr 1, 2022, 5:20 PM

foxhole.

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Re: Sounds like you were familiar with his


Apr 1, 2022, 5:49 PM

There wasn't any foxholes in Alaska.

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Lol,


Apr 1, 2022, 9:32 PM

That was to the OP, ??

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is that Willie Donahue?


Apr 1, 2022, 9:37 PM



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Huh, I was more taken with


Apr 1, 2022, 10:29 PM

Adam Sandlers dad on the left.

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dude on the right is Willie Donahue


Apr 1, 2022, 10:34 PM



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You miss very little,


Apr 1, 2022, 10:36 PM

don’t you?

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Re: You miss very little,


Apr 1, 2022, 11:15 PM

I have access to facial recognition software that searches the web using biometric analytics. I ran it on the dude on the right in the OP, and the results are interesting.

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Dang,


Apr 1, 2022, 11:16 PM

I like to bowl.


Uh, oh. You were right…again.

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