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There are a lot of people who seem to dismiss accusations
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There are a lot of people who seem to dismiss accusations


Mar 17, 2021, 12:50 PM

Of Deshaun Waston just because he is a former Tiger.

I’m sure some of you will hate me and blast me for this, but why are you dismissing the claims made against him?

I like Deshaun. He was a great Tiger and seemed to conduct himself with good character. However, none of us were there in the room when these alleged harassments took place and none of us know any of the details of the allegations. Why make a judgement so early? Why not wait for details?

All people are imperfect. Just because someone is from Clemson doesn’t mean they can’t do bad things. I am not bringing this up because I think he is either guilty or innocent. I’m just saying it never hurts to wait for details before making claims.

I hope these allegations are false, and DW4 will clear his name.

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I agree with you, and gave you a TU.


Mar 17, 2021, 12:53 PM

I almost posted something similar earlier today.

Do I think he did it? No.

Do I think he is capable of something like that? I hope not.

But I wasn't there, and I know nothing about how he lives his private life. All I know is that he has conducted himself very well publicly and seems like a genuinely good person. I have seen nothing from him that would suggest that he would sexually assault a woman, but I also realize that many people who do things like that don't seem like the type either.

I share your desire to see the truth come to light, and that it be clear that Deshaun didn't sexually assault this woman.

Thank you again for your post.

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Honestly I am not taking much stock in his perceived character


Mar 17, 2021, 1:50 PM [ in reply to I agree with you, and gave you a TU. ]

In this case. Because as has been shown many times in history, people can have multiple sides to themselves. Be very nice and also be capable of bad things. People are complex.


But I am leaning toward not believing this accusation more because of how it has been revealed and handled. The lawyer seems to be all over the place and Watson seems prepared to be ready to fight it. It smacks of something suspicious from the get go

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Honestly I am not taking much stock in his perceived character


Mar 17, 2021, 1:50 PM [ in reply to I agree with you, and gave you a TU. ]

In this case. Because as has been shown many times in history, people can have multiple sides to themselves. Be very nice and also be capable of bad things. People are complex.


But I am leaning toward not believing this accusation more because of how it has been revealed and handled. The lawyer seems to be all over the place and Watson seems prepared to be ready to fight it. It smacks of something suspicious from the get go

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#moneygrab***


Mar 17, 2021, 12:58 PM



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Mar 17, 2021, 3:56 PM



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Re: There are a lot of people who seem to dismiss accusations


Mar 17, 2021, 12:59 PM

I believe people are using the early evidence to determine their stance on this matter.

So far what we know if that this lawyer does not have a squeaky clean past in terms of the type of cases he takes.

We also know that the lawyer tried to "quietly" ask Watson for a 6 figure settlement to make this all go away.

We know that Watson did not agree to the settlement due to his feeling of innocence.

We also know that this lawyer made this a very public issue using social media after his request for settlement was denied. He didn't move forward with the lawsuit quietly in a court of law. That indicates that he is looking for public humiliation and a reconsidered settlement rather than trying to win his case in court.

Based on that information that has been presented, many people will think Watson is innocent.

I hope he is innocent because I can't stand the thought of a man forcing any sort of sexual activity on any woman. It always stings even more when it's a man that seems to have high character because it causes a loss of faith in people's character in general.

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Re: There are a lot of people who seem to dismiss accusations


Mar 17, 2021, 1:39 PM

I think you summed it nicely.

It's a civil case. If DW4 did something wrong, it would be a police record. It would be criminal charges.

1st statement, it's not about money... Yeah, then why quietly ask for it. If a woman or man gets sexually mishandled, the last thing they want to do is be bought out. That's why I automatically jumped to that conclusion.


I hate these - 10 year allegations that one day we were on an elevator and this man flirted with me blah blah blah... Since when did flirtations become a crime? It's a nature, all species do it since the beginning of time... Even that fish in the ocean that ##### herself to get pregnant.

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Re: There are a lot of people who seem to dismiss accusations


Mar 17, 2021, 9:01 PM

I agree with you about all those decades-old "Me Too" accusations that should have been handled when/if they happened. Glad I am not young and single - what is a person supposed to do in this society? - get a signed permission from the opposite gender before even holding hands?

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Fyi .. you can be charged with sexual


Mar 17, 2021, 6:54 PM [ in reply to Re: There are a lot of people who seem to dismiss accusations ]

Harassment just for putting ur hand on some one's shoulder.

Streaking can get you on the sec offender list

Mooning some 1 when a car drives by with s kid in it can get you a case of child pornaghaphy.

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Exactly!


Mar 17, 2021, 1:17 PM

Some people are quick to judge.

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i only dismiss accusations against liberals***


Mar 17, 2021, 1:19 PM



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Re: There are a lot of people who seem to dismiss accusations


Mar 17, 2021, 1:23 PM

I agree with your overall point. What makes me believe Watson beyond all of that is to me if he were guilty of something then why not just accept the settlement offer? I'm sure he could've made it to where the settlement required the victim to not speak about any of it which would've kept things out of the public. That certainly doesn't prove that he's innocent, but it does factor into my opinion.

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Re: There are a lot of people who seem to dismiss accusations


Mar 17, 2021, 2:36 PM

Because if he took the settlement, he knows that would become public and then he would really look guilty. They could “agree” to keep it hush hush until they are blue in the face, but it would 100% come out. Taking the settlement would never be an option if he ever wanted to play football again.

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Re: There are a lot of people who seem to dismiss accusations


Mar 17, 2021, 1:41 PM

When the lawyer asked him to settle before filing the lawsuit, he lost all credibility with me. If it is not about the money, like he said, then why ask for a settlement. This sounds like blackmail to me...either pay up or I will go public. The lawyer sounds like scum and I hope Deshaun will prove his innocence and go after the lawyer for slander.

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The amount of men who get away with sexual assault is far higher


Mar 17, 2021, 1:44 PM

Then those who are falsely accused. So yes I agree with you.

However in this case everything just seems weird. And not just cause it’s Deshaun. The lawyer’s statement was off the wall and didn’t even directly acuse Watson of anything.

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Mar 17, 2021, 1:49 PM



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I bet if more people knew how stupid this sounded, they


Mar 17, 2021, 4:42 PM

would still say it. Because they're stupid conservatives who have never left their hometown bubbles of where Jethro just nods and agrees with every dumb thing they say.

Good God. Does EVERYTHING have to be about team politics? Pathetic.

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Re: Agreed! We're acting like a bunch of democrats on here***


Mar 17, 2021, 6:46 PM [ in reply to Agreed! We're acting like a bunch of democrats on here*** ]

Yes you are right! It was a Democrat that said "grab em by their XXXXX!NOT so get the politics out of here! Ignorant post!

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I understand she went to a lawyer


Mar 17, 2021, 1:55 PM

and wanted money before the cops were called. I doubt if a multi-millionaire NFL QB has to force himself on women.

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I think the skepticism comes from the fact that this person


Mar 17, 2021, 1:59 PM

hauled off and filed a civil lawsuit rather than going to the police. If the alleged victim had gone to the police and then a grand jury found sufficient probable cause to indict Deshaun I would take this much more seriously. You can file a civil suit later. If you think a crime was committed, why not look to the criminal justice system first rather than try to get money?


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Re: I think the skepticism comes from the fact that this person


Mar 17, 2021, 2:42 PM

Civil court is much different than the court of law. There you have to have evidence to prove he did it beyond a reasonable doubt. In civil court, it just has to be more likely than not to win the case.

More than likely, if the girl is telling the truth, they just don’t have a lot of physical evidence. Probably more circumstantial. That won’t win in a court of law, but could win in a civil case.

This is all just speculation, but that could be why they filed a civil suit and didn’t file charges with the police.

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Re: There are a lot of people who seem to dismiss accusations


Mar 17, 2021, 2:11 PM

Look no further than thee front office of a certain team for the source of this attempt to humiliate a star player in an effort to keep him in line. JMO nut sure seems a suspect timing on all of this.

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Re: There are a lot of people who seem to dismiss accusations


Mar 17, 2021, 2:18 PM

I will believe it if I see evidence. Otherwise it's an accusation without proof.

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Re: There are a lot of people who seem to dismiss accusations


Mar 17, 2021, 2:53 PM

Highly doubt it. That would impact his trade value, not his desire to be traded.

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U new to tnet? Jump to conclusion is the 2nd


Mar 17, 2021, 2:23 PM

Most played game here.

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Re: There are a lot of people who seem to dismiss accusations


Mar 17, 2021, 2:28 PM

I think there is a chance, but overall it is nothing. She would have filed charges. Its somebody looking for money. I guarantee we will never hear about another incident. Could have been a miscommunication. Either way it's nothing.

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Re: There are a lot of people who seem to dismiss accusations


Mar 17, 2021, 2:30 PM

What you look for with guys who attack women is entitlement, and generally, a history of aggression and anger towards women. They also carry themselves a certain way.

What do we know about Deshaun's relationship with his mother? (She's formidable, self-made, and he respects her, a lot.) Have we also, for instance, seen him go out of his way to extend himself to women who were in distress, like those women who worked in the Houston Texans' cafeteria who lost their homes to Hurricane Harvey? Well, yeah, we have. He donated his first paycheck from the Texans to them, in fact.

Deshaun shows none of the classic signs you see with a guy who targets women.

I mean, maybe he's one of those guys who has just a completely different private persona than public one, but it honestly doesn't compute. Guys who victimize women almost always have a long, long, sordid history of it, along with a substantial amount of narcissistic self-obsession; that behavior is rarely a one-off that doesn't come out of a clear blue sky, never to be seen again. It's a pattern.

I would be frankly really surprised. He just does not seem the type. At all.

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The attorney said it wasn’t about the money after


Mar 17, 2021, 2:30 PM

privately contacting Deshaun to get him to settle before going public for hundreds of thousands of dollars. That tells me a lot right there.
The fact JK defends your post helps me defend Deshaun even more. Let some money grabbing me 2 come after you and ruin your reputation for life. Think it can’t happen? Hope you don’t work with any women and always let your wife take the baby sitter home.
These days just an accusation ruins you for life. It’s not right.

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Re: There are a lot of people who seem to dismiss accusations


Mar 17, 2021, 2:33 PM

It's all about the order: Criminal complaint, civil suit, request financial settlement by the accused, facebook. The order taken: ask for money from an infamous ambulance chaser , file civil suit, advertise on facebook and say it's not about the money, no criminal complaint. Looks innocent to me.

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Re: There are a lot of people who seem to dismiss accusations


Mar 17, 2021, 3:12 PM

I didn't know Christine Blasey Ford was a masseuse. Seriously though someone capable of sexual assault usually shows signs of character flaws before now. Is it impossible for someone with the criminal history of a Choir Boy to all of a sudden wake up one day looking to become a sexual predator, no it's not impossible but is very improbable. Also the OP ask how people can just believe Deshaun and I answer that by saying this is still America (though Democrats want to change that) where people are PRESUMED INNOCENT. The burden of proof is on the accuser thats why I believe Deshaun. Not only that if I'm Deshaun after I win this legal battle I turn around and sue the woman for everything she is worth. Until some man steps up and the court takes equal action against a woman falsely accusing a man of sexual assault this is a problem not going anywhere. I'm not saying all women are lying but it seems very very few woman have anything other than a slap on the hand for trying to ruin and put a man in jail for a very very long time over a false allegation. Look no farther than the Duke Lacrosse case for proof. Women falsely accusing a man of a sexual assault should face the same punishment of the man if the man was found guilty. We start punishing women for false accusations this accusing any man of sexual assault looking for a pay day or just to be vindictive will begin to cease. This " believe all women" bull is the worst thing I've seen in my life because I've known some very vindictively mean women that don't deserve for one word to be believed much less everything they say. This woman can get me on her side though and it's simple. If you're telling the truth then PROVE IT.

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Re: There are a lot of people who seem to dismiss accusations


Mar 17, 2021, 3:41 PM

I think this is the problem. You do not no Deshaun Watson personally. None of us on here do. We would like to believe his character is great just from the what we have seen of him, but I believe your premise of only men who have criminal records can sexually assault women is very flawed.

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Re: There are a lot of people who seem to dismiss accusations


Mar 17, 2021, 4:09 PM

It's the manner in which he's always conducted himself that leads me to be highly skeptical.

I mean Bill Cosby and Matt Lauer things have definitely shown sometimes you run across those guys who are very different when the door closes, guys who are outwardly self-effacing but are really not...but again, I'd be surprised. Just don't get that vibe off Deshaun.

Feels like a shakedown. The fact that he was willing to let it go public and challenge it rather than pay it off, again, tells me he likely feels he's innocent.

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In their professional circles...


Mar 17, 2021, 8:55 PM

Bill Cosby and Matt Lauer were both known for what they both eventually were confirmed to be, as were Weinstein, Epstein, Woody Allen, and others...

People who can't control their basal instincts don't lose control over night and tend to be most self aware in the beginning of their escapades, but as they find success, they get more and more bold and careless which eventually leads to exposure...

I agree, this reeks of a shakedown, and I hope for Deshaun and my admiration of Deshaun that it's proven to be a shakedown and he goes after the accuser and her lawyer...

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Deshaun is innocent until proven gulity


Mar 17, 2021, 3:58 PM

.....or, at least that's how our legal system is supposed to work.

Based on what I've seen/heard about Deshaun I'll assume he's innocent and not guilty until proven otherwise. His character speaks for itself, and I know nothing/zero about his accuser. She could be anybody.

Since there's rarely any downside to falsely accusing male athletes of sexual impropriety (Duke & UVA Lacross teams, etc....the list is long) it's not surprising Clemson fans are sceptical.

Professional athletes are notorious targets for money-grubbing honey-pots who are looking to cash in for a big pay-day.

Until I see some evidence to the contrary, he gets the benefit of the doubt.

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Re: There are a lot of people who seem to dismiss accusations


Mar 17, 2021, 4:04 PM

And some of us are not buying it until and unless we see video or other proof that cannot be refuted.

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Re: There are a lot of people who seem to dismiss accusations


Mar 17, 2021, 4:27 PM

Exactly.

I'm all for "keeping an open mind", but to assume this sort of accusation is true without irrefutable evidence is jumping to conclusions.

Anybody who has EVER been falsely accused, or sued with malicious intent knows what I'm talking about.

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Re: There are a lot of people who seem to dismiss accusations


Mar 17, 2021, 4:05 PM

I am a girl and I am saying show me the police report. There are no criminal charges. Why did she lawyer up and go straight for money?

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A Simple Foundational Principal That Presumes Innocence


Mar 17, 2021, 4:12 PM

Accusations are 100% BS until you present evidence or you are formally charged and indicted. Then I will give it some consideration.

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I think your characterization is wrong. I doubt many are


Mar 17, 2021, 4:28 PM

dismissing the allegations because DW is "a former Tiger". Although we're obviously going to be biased in support of our Tigers, I think we can all admit that there are probably some former Tigers that, if they were accused of this, we would be more inclined to believe it happened. So it's not that he's a former Tiger. It's that he's shown a level of character for as long as Clemson people have known him that would make this very surprising.

Then, the lawyer is a known hustler.
Then, the accuser (apparently?) never went to the police.
Then, the lawyer went to Deshaun privately for a six figure settlement to "make it go away."
Then, Deshaun refused, even though that is pennies to him.
Then, the lawyer didn't file a lawsuit...he smeared DW on Social Media.
Then, DW came out with an unqualified denial of all allegations. No lawyering up. No vague side-steps.

So...it's a lot more than the fact that he's a former Tiger.

I just read an ESPN article on the accusation, which reads that this all happened at the massage therapists house. It says DW texted her later to apologize. So that text obviously has to be evidence. So once we see that we'll have a better idea. Again, I suspect that it was nothing...or she has a text where he apologized and she is going to claim that it was for some level of assault. But everything here screams "shakedown", and that's why I tend not to believe it.

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Re: I think your characterization is wrong. I doubt many are


Mar 17, 2021, 4:35 PM

I'm with you Swarley. I'm also with Deshaun, as I always give someone whom I trust, the benefit of the doubt until they prove me wrong. I truly believe that he is someone of great character and if he did do something that rose to this level he would disappoint way too many people. I don't think he would do that. First, we don't even know what the allegation is, except we know that it involves money. If this turns out to be nothing, I hope that Deshaun goes after this woman and her attorney and make them pay out the nose.

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Re: There are a lot of people who seem to dismiss accusations


Mar 17, 2021, 4:39 PM

Well, don't we claim to be a family among all of Tiger nation. If someone accuses a member of my family of something, I'm siding with my family at least until it has been proven without a doubt they were guilty of what they've been accused of. So are we a fake Tiger Nation family???? Do we start telling recruits that we're only their family as long as they're at Clemson, and doing well, and after they leave, don't think that we're their family any longer!!!!

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Re: There are a lot of people who seem to dismiss accusations


Mar 17, 2021, 5:06 PM

Mia Khalifa messed my boy up. I get it.

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I don't dismiss the allegations, but the fact is they are


Mar 17, 2021, 7:24 PM

just allegations at this point, and Deshaun, like anybody, deserves to be considered innocent until he is found guilty or admits guilt. Contrary to current trends, the accuser does not deserve to be believed by people who don't know them without some solid evidence, and should not expect to be. The idea that we should automatically believe women is total bullshat. Having said that, if it turns out that Deshaun has behaved inappropriately or illegaly, he absolutely should pay the price. Like the rest of you, I have no idea what really happened, and no way of knowing, but Deshaun has always seemed like a young man of very high character and I would be surprised if it were true.

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Anyone other than Deshaun dismissing the accusation


Mar 17, 2021, 8:37 PM

is just community discussion... hopefully based information that has come forward. In this case, the attorney is showing himself to sleazy, lazy and not worthy of possessing a J.D.

If Deshaun's action did not cross the line of criminal, corroborated by physical evidence (medical and/or police report), then it is too much of she said/he said for opinions to be definitive on either side. The info that most of have paints this as a money grab, especially given the character that we have witnessed for the better part of the last 10 years in Deshaun. I'm not oblivious to the fact that he very well may have requested a "happy ending", but even that one request doesn't rise to harassment... there has got to be more than he asked, she said no and that was the end of it for it to be harassment.

I look forward to hearing the outcome working in Deshaun's favor, but if it doesn't, oh well, it's just another bad decision in the history of bad decisions and he should pay the cost for that bad decision... but hopefully, that bad decision truly did not rise to the level of criminal, but if it did, and they are letting him off with a settlememt, he better remember all the others that did go to trial and now are living the three hots and cot life...

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