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Military Pron - Pearl Harbor Conspiracy Special (1 of 4)
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Military Pron - Pearl Harbor Conspiracy Special (1 of 4)


Dec 9, 2021, 3:43 PM

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RIP USS Arizona, 1914-1941


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In honor of Pearl Harbor Day I’m going to interrupt our continuing installments on bunker busting big guns to indulge in a little guilty pleasure.

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I don’t believe in a lot of conspiracy theories, only the true ones. Like conspiracies about Sasquatch and Alien An al Probes, which would also make great names for bands, by the way. Most of that other conspiracy stuff is garbage, but there is one that really gets my attention – the Pearl Harbor Advanced Knowledge Theory.

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Not only do I believe some knew the Japanese attack was coming, I think we, the USA, perhaps with Britain, actually engineered it to happen. Now, I don’t think FDR used a tin foil hat to read Japanese Admiral Nagumo’s mind on the exact when. That would be flat crazy.

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The exact time (not so much the places, though) of the Japanese strikes was likely unknown by anyone but the Japanese themselves, and really, for FDR/Churchill’s purposes, it didn’t matter.

What DID matter was that the Japanese strike, and not just in some measly little way. America wouldn’t care about that. We had already shown that numerous times as we will see. What was needed was a BIG strike, something that would get America’s ire up and get her off the couch, away from her popcorn and Bon-Bons.

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America, 1941


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I think FDR used every tool he had in his executive and political arsenal to force Japan to attack us, and so therefore he at least had full knowledge an attack was coming, if not exactly when. The exact timing didn’t matter, just so long as it was in a particular window, not too soon, not too late, as I’ll also try to show. The goal was to get us into war. We were already “un-neutral” by supplying Britain, we just needed a big, believable excuse to get troops on the continent to fight the really dangerous enemy, Germany.

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What history has sanitized is just how common this advanced knowledge belief was, and just how attuned the world was to what was going on. There was ALREADY a World War in progress. It was news every single day in the papers, and if you go back, it was news even before it all started. Article after article about the coming wars with Germany and Japan, all through the 30’s. Think about the media coverage prior to Iraq I and Iraq II. That’s the exact same feel of the times.

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Here’s an example…

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Stimson


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“Ten days before the attack on Pearl Harbor", Henry L. Stimson, United States Secretary of War at the time entered in his diary the famous and much-argued statement – that he had met with President Roosevelt to discuss the evidence of impending hostilities with Japan, and the question was 'how we should maneuver them [the Japanese] into the position of firing the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves.'" 

However Stimson, in reviewing his diary after the war, recalled that the commanders at Pearl Harbor had been warned of the possibility of attack, and that the poor state of readiness that the attack had revealed was a surprise to him:
General Short had been told the two essential facts: 1) a war with Japan is threatening, 2) hostile action by Japan is possible at any moment. Given these two facts, both of which were stated without equivocation in the message of Nov. 27, the outpost commander should be on the alert to make his fight ... To cluster his airplanes in such groups and positions that in an emergency they could not take the air for several hours, and to keep his antiaircraft ammunition so stored that it could not be promptly and immediately available, and to use his best reconnaissance system, radar, only for a very small fraction of the day and night, in my opinion betrayed a misconception of his real duty which was almost beyond belief. ...

And there’s this…

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FDR. What did he do, and when did he do it? We know both, because he told us, in the newspaper.


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Rear Admiral Frank Edmund Beatty Jr., who at the time of the Pearl Harbor attack was an aide to the Secretary of the Navy Frank Knox and was very close to President Franklin D. Roosevelt's inner circle, remarked that:
Prior to December 7, it was evident even to me... that we were pushing Japan into a corner. I believed that it was the desire of President Roosevelt, and Prime Minister Churchill that we get into the war, as they felt the Allies could not win without us and all our efforts to cause the Germans to declare war on us failed; the conditions we imposed upon Japan—to get out of China, for example—were so severe that we knew that nation could not accept them. We were forcing her so severely that we could have known that she would react toward the United States. All her preparations in a military way — and we knew their over-all import — pointed that way.


Umm. Let’s re-read that. ...” all our efforts to cause the Germans to declare war on us failed.” Please, tell us more… Anyway, if Germany won’t declare war on us, who CAN we get to declare war on us? The mind wonders…

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So in my mind, were the people on the ground surprised? Yeah. To a great extent. Were their immediate superiors surprised? Maybe, maybe not. Were our heads of state surprised? Not at all.

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I won’t spend a lot of time digging through the weeds on more obscure minutia like breaking Japanese code JN-25, the McCollum Memo, the SS Lurline, some other truly crazy shid. To me it doesn’t matter. Like I said, the exact when and where hardly mattered. Any spark would do. But a "when" did matter, and there were only two “wheres” that made any sense at all.

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To illustrate my position I’m just going to use the news of the day, world events, and just plain old common sense.

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By the time I learned the story of Pearl Harbor as a kid, the attack had been fully turned on its head. Enough time had passed that the daily events at the time had become hazy in the memories of the living, and constant revision and sanitizing had erased a lot of the zeitgeist (wouldn’t my English teacher be proud) of the late 30’s and early 40’s.

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The basic story was that the evil Japanese had cold-cocked us, without reason, without cause, and without warning. There’s no way we did or could have seen it coming because it was so dastardly, and it left us in such a state of total desperation and vulnerability that nothing short of a rabid love of freedom and good old American spirit and ingenuity could save us. Fortunately, we were up to the task.

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So imagine my surprise when I learned the truth. And this isn’t some Gnostic, mystical truth only held by the secretly ordained and initiated wearing pegging belts and wielding leather paddles, this is the truth as only known by those special few who read front page of the daily newspaper. Truly mystical knowledge.

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So first a little background. We’ll do a quick fly-by of the cumulative diplomatic history of the US and Japan prior to that fateful December 7 in 1941. At the time, it was less than 100 years of interaction.

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Howdy neighbor!


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It may come as a surprise to some, but America has not always been nice to its global neighbors. This story starts in 1853, when Matthew Perry, on orders from President Fillmore, busted 220 years of Japanese self-imposed isolation. Now, we weren’t the first to crash the party, we just wanted a slice of the same pie the Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch, and British already had in Japan.

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Matthew Perry



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Wait, not that one…. this Matthew Perry, the Commodore




A Japanese woodcut of one of them, but I can’t tell which


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The terms of the trade deal we offered was pretty simple. Trade with us, or die. And we brought a big, black fleet to seal the deal.


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The Black Fleet. It made a real impression, and the Japanese made a lot of pictures of it.


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And so from that point on, our very first contact with Japan, they were sort of our dog-on-a-leash. They were still sovereign and free to determine their own fate, about like a rat is free to move about in its cage of its own free will. And the dog-on-a-leash stayed that way for the next three generations.


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And the propagandists picked up on that same rat in a cage theme


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Japan took a special liking to the British (I guess island folk just get on with each other that way) and signed several recurring trade treaties with them, most at gunpoint.

But in particular the Japanese liked the British Navy. They even got combat training from the British Navy. They liked that too. The Russians they didn’t care so much for. Seems like the legitimate, true candidate for owner of Manchuria was a constant, prickly point.

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Any Manchurian Candidate will do



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They hated the Russians so much that in 1904 they launched a naval, night, sneak attack on the Russian Pacific Fleet at Port Arthur in Manchuria and just beat the snot out of them. To make a long story short, the Russians lost their whole Pacific Fleet virtually overnight.

So, in retaliation, the Russians sent their entire Baltic fleet all the way around the world and lost it to, in spectacular fashion, in the Battle of Tsushima, right off the coast of Japan, in 1905. It took Teddy Roosevelt to hammer out a peace between the two, and he even got a Nobel Prize for it. Good for Teddy.

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But the world sat up and took notice. Suddenly, the Japanese were world playas. Badaxx, military pimps if you will.

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By themselves, they had eliminated the entire Imperial Russian Navy in two simple steps. That’s App State beating Michigan caliber stuff. Twice. Double Ouchy. But they were still a dog-on-a-leash. You know, because island.

That’s the eternal problem with being an island – you always have to go elsewhere to get your stuff. But I imagine the British were still very proud of their little Far East bulldog, at least for the moment.

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The Battle of Tsushima, 1905


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But then the British got embarrassed. The Japanese actually got British designers to build them the best battleship (technically battlecruiser) in the world. And they delivered the Kongo in 1912. The Japs liked it so much they built 3 more just like it. And so for a very few years at least, the Japanese had qualitatively (not quantitatively) the most elite and advanced navy in the world. The British navy was not amused.

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The Kongo...a source of pride, and embarrassment, to the British


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Kongo with her sisters, Kirishima, Haruna, and Hiei. The most powerful mini-fleet on the planet at the start of WW1.


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And that’s a good a place as any to pause for now. Next time, things start to go sour, but it’s no surprise to anybody. At least, anyone who reads their local newspaper.


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This theory...


Dec 9, 2021, 4:04 PM

Had a professor that discussed this at length. Things like US Aircraft carriers being out to sea at the time of the attack as evidence that DC knew. His theory though was that before WWII - no one knew Aircraft carriers were going to be such a big deal. Up to that point, Battleships were the most dangerous part of a fleet and those were all in port in Hawaii.

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Re: This theory...


Dec 9, 2021, 4:11 PM

Yes. Coming in parts 2 and 3. There was a raging debate in the 20-30's over which was more valuable, leading to some bizarre inconsistencies in thought and practice, but I don't want to spoil any surprises yet. :)

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excellent as always


Dec 9, 2021, 4:29 PM

but the lbods were not

there are actually very good looking ladies in Japan and some actually have huge boobies or at least they do in pron

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Cat on a tin roof, dogs in a pile,
Nothin' left to do but smile, smile, smile!!!!


Re: excellent as always


Dec 9, 2021, 5:08 PM

Agreed. Not my strongest contribution on the bewbie front, but I'm mixing it up a bit. There weren't many bodacious tatas in the Amish market, but I could have probably found bigger gonzagas in the Cosplay genre for sure. Even without bikinis.



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dang she is pale


Dec 9, 2021, 8:39 PM

but very nice

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Cat on a tin roof, dogs in a pile,
Nothin' left to do but smile, smile, smile!!!!


Re: dang she is pale


Dec 9, 2021, 9:43 PM

I prefer the term "milky"

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?????????????


Dec 9, 2021, 6:06 PM

https://youtu.be/FSwuyawdi9Y

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Isaac Asimov


TL;DR but I agree, FDR caused Pearl Harbor..


Dec 9, 2021, 8:55 PM

And it's so freaking obvious to anyone with a brain. Why was the entire f*ing pacific fleet there in the first place?

To sink ships supplying Japan! Japan said hell no and there we go. Who wouldn't?

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Re: TL;DR but I agree, FDR caused Pearl Harbor..


Dec 9, 2021, 9:07 PM

Strangely enough...it wasn't at Pearl. It was on the West Coast, till May 1940. Then Roosevelt moved it to Pearl. Oops. Now, on the surface that sounds as suspicious as he77, but for me that part is actually not that conspiratorial once you see the whole global picture, which I'm just about to get to..

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Re: TL;DR but I agree, FDR caused Pearl Harbor..


Dec 9, 2021, 10:11 PM

FDR was a previous Sec. of Navy. Maybe he had already figured the battleships were expendable. He already had started gearing up industry for war production. Seeing what Japan had done in China and there expansionist intentions it was easy to see if we cut of the scrap metal, rubber, fuel, other raw material for their war machine that they would do as previously threatened and come for us. Interesting perspective about the time window you mentioned. It was a delicately orchestrated thing to get the American people in the mood to fight on two fronts.

The thing about conspiracies, as we all know, is it's hard to keep it quiet. While all the signs are there, it is interesting that after all this time there is no "smoking gun" memoires that would unveil the truth that seems almost obvious. Whatcha got?

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Re: TL;DR but I agree, FDR caused Pearl Harbor..


Dec 9, 2021, 10:32 PM

True. My belief is that it was sort of a "negative" or passive conspiracy. That is, it wasn't a complex plan where we had to do anything much more than nothing, really. Literally just sit back, and wait.

I just posted 2/4. In the next 2 installs, I'm gonna pile on what is, at least for me, overwhelming circumstantial evidence of willful blindness - in absolute plain sight. There was only one trigger, and one place, and one time window, for it all to come together in a way that would get us into war, and FDR shepherded the Japanese right there.

There's not really a smoking gun, but once you have the full background there doesn't really need to be. It's like setting a mouse trap. When you come back and there's a mouse in the trap, are you really surprised? You don't know exactly when the trap went off, but as long as you got the mouse, does the "when" even matter?

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Re: TL;DR but I agree, FDR caused Pearl Harbor..


Dec 9, 2021, 11:02 PM

See this link

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Re: TL;DR but I agree, FDR caused Pearl Harbor..


Dec 9, 2021, 11:05 PM

Link?



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Re: TL;DR but I agree, FDR caused Pearl Harbor..


Dec 9, 2021, 11:12 PM [ in reply to Re: TL;DR but I agree, FDR caused Pearl Harbor.. ]

FDR was a sly fox for sure. A chess player no doubt. But, if our carriers had been caught at Pearl it would have lengthened the war and may have lost Australia in the process. That was close at any rate. I don't think there was even a slight chance Japan or Germany could have ever threatened the U.S. mainland but it would have been a different war. And maybe a different world. Those carriers were the key to the Battle of the Coral Sea and Midway and the whole Pacific campaign. Was that luck, strategy, or divine intervention?

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Re: TL;DR but I agree, FDR caused Pearl Harbor..


Dec 9, 2021, 11:36 PM

I actually view the carrier situation as blind good luck, although it is often tossed in with the conspiracy argument. That is, that they were deliberately moved away to avoid the strike. But I actually don't think that happened, despite the fact I do think there was fore-knowledge of the attack.
I think FDF, and perhaps Stinson, maybe Leahy, knew it was coming but not exactly when.

Again, in my version of the conspiracy, as little as possible needed to be done by FDR. Don't change routines, don't intervene in navy protocol, don't so anything out of the normal. Just set the trap, and wait.

In parts 3 and 4 I'm going to get deeper into that so I don't want to get too deeply into it yet, but I will say we had so much being built on the docks that though it would have been a big blow if they had been sunk, our victory was still just a matter of time.

And yes, I agree there was simply no way on earth Japan was a threat to our mainland. It even took us, a nation as big as all Europe, extraordinary effort to hem Japan in. We basically built a secret supply city, compete with repair docks and supply harbors (not unlike the Mulberry Harbors) on the island of Ulithi to support our advance across the Pacific. Nimitz called it his "secret weapon." There is no way Japan had even close to that degree of logistical support. Remember, they were attacking Indonesia in the first place to get the supplies they needed to wage war in China. So yeah, no threat at all. Just a matter of time.

In the end, we sent 85% of all our resources to Europe, and only 15% to the Pacific, to defeat the Japanese.

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there's no secret conspiracy. FDR stole money from


Dec 11, 2021, 11:01 PM [ in reply to Re: TL;DR but I agree, FDR caused Pearl Harbor.. ]

Japan by seizing anything they had in US banks or companies, then said we're going to forcefully block any oil from getting to Japan, then sent the entire Pacific fleet over to Hawaii to start blowing up any ships taking oil to Japan. It was a cut and dry act of war and it was the actual aggression, Pearl Harbor was the natural wartime response.

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Herbert Hoover's Freedom Betrayed


Dec 10, 2021, 11:08 AM

is an excellent and a full throated indictment of all things FDR, including Pearl Harbor

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