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Rooter [212]
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great post
Sep 10, 2011, 11:32 PM
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there is no reason why Clemson can't be among the best year in and year out. the only thing missing is a competent head coach. i just don't understand why some fans tolerate anything less.
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Re: great post
Sep 11, 2011, 9:59 AM
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How could anyone see this as a great post. It is the same post that is just being repeated year in and year out, for the last 20 years. And b/c it has been the same for 20 years, is the reason for all the speculation and negativity. Yes we have had a cple of super stars on the team for the last 20 years. But, we haven't had this much well above average talent at Clemson ever. The biggest portion of all this talent just got to Clemson. We have heard this said for the past 20 years by coaches, players, and the fans, PATIENCE. Our patence have become very, very thin. But now more than ever, we need to have patence with this coaching staff. These red shirt and true freshman in another year are going to make THIS coaching staff look like the best in the country in another year. You don't have to be a great coach to coach this masive amount of talent, ( keep in mind they are very young ) they mostly need good guidance. And I think that all of us can agree that our now coaches can offer them that along with a plan. This team guys is not like the others in the past. They are much better talent wise. They just need a little more time to Jell....
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Re: great post
Sep 11, 2011, 4:02 PM
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Thank you.....another problem we seem to have are fair weather fans who do not have the patience we need at this time. We are not always going to have a winning season or a National Title team. Go to the games - cheer for your team - and have ORANGE PRIDE.
Another issue are these fans that want to boo our players - Clemson fans DO NOT boo our players OR our coaches and if you want to behave in such a manner - go somewhere else and watch another team. We do not need your IPTAY money that badly.
I BELIEVE!!!
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Rooter [212]
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I respectfully disagree.
Sep 11, 2011, 4:28 PM
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Now I agree that there is nothing unique about the content of the post. It's not as if it hasn't been stated in other terms. I just agree with his take on the situation. I think the fan base has shown plenty of patience. There has been sufficient talent here in the past, and that talent has been wasted. Their raw skills have flashed, but I think better coaches could have got more out of them. I believe same can be said with this staff which frankly many see as an extension of the old, which is why the patience is thin versus the slack that would be given to a brand new outsider. People are tired of 7 or 8 wins a season. They want better not more of the same. We could have kept Bowden for that.
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well said... very well said***
Sep 10, 2011, 11:34 PM
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Orange Blooded [4988]
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***yawn***
Sep 10, 2011, 11:36 PM
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yeah, thats what your wife said about you***
Sep 11, 2011, 2:51 AM
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Re: Just because he's a good man doesn't mean he's a good coach
Sep 10, 2011, 11:37 PM
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but he looks sharp in digital camo and chest bumps with the best of them
and loves good ole boy sayings like "the hay is in the barn"
what more can you ask for?
truthfully, he weaseled his way into the job...fired the coaches that got him the job (by beating usc)
he is a poser...a wannabe head coach
he is in over his head...and no other team in their right mind would be paying him 2 million to run their program
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Bingo.***
Sep 10, 2011, 11:46 PM
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Re: Just because he's a good man doesn't mean he's a good coach
Sep 10, 2011, 11:52 PM
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Hard to tell at this stage when you have someone going into their 3rd year as head coach....... and in reality this freshman class (Bellamy, Watkins, etc.) is Dabo's first recruiting class..... 2010
The 2009 class was already set when he took over..... now you have a great 2011 class that is committed for next year.
Let's see what happens as the season goes.
But... just because he's a good man doesn't mean that he's not a good coach either.
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Re: Just because he's a good man doesn't mean he's a good coach
Sep 10, 2011, 11:54 PM
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you just bought him three more years
no thanks
just sounds like excuses to me
and sorry ones
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fair points
Sep 11, 2011, 12:24 AM
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but consider these as well:
he's been on the staff for 6+ years, all but 1 of which was a top 25 recruiting year
would we even be having this conversation if we had hired say, Nick Saban, or someone without the air cover that Dabo has? Watch Randy Edsall over the next 3 years. You won't hear excuses. Maryland will either contend for the division title regularly, or he will be gone.
We treat Dabo with kid gloves for some reason.
lose to USC this year and that makes 3 out of 4. Is that ever acceptable under any circumstance?
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Re: Just because he's a good man doesn't mean he's a good coach
Sep 11, 2011, 7:42 AM
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Actually, Dabo was one of the prime recruiters for Clemson, and has been for years. He won accolades for being one of the best recruiters over the past several seasons. That is one of the prime reasons he got the head coaching position.
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do you clap for being tied with Wofford at half or boo?
Sep 11, 2011, 12:08 AM
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I don't boo. Ever. I shake my head a lot though.***
Sep 11, 2011, 12:13 AM
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Re: I don't boo. Ever. I shake my head a lot though.***
Sep 11, 2011, 7:44 AM
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Amen, brother
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I've said this for a while: it's great to get the 4 and 5
Sep 11, 2011, 12:26 AM
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star WR, RB, QB, DB, and LB's but until you are getting 4 and 5 star OL and DL, it just doesn't matter. Games are won in the trenches and ours are pretty weak this year (apologies to Brandon Thompson and Andre Branch).
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we are getting 4 and 5 star oline and dline players too***
Sep 11, 2011, 2:55 AM
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Re: I've said this for a while: it's great to get the 4 and 5
Sep 11, 2011, 7:45 AM
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WE have the same OL that we had last year - that gave up less than one sack per game!!!! What we have is a new OL coach - hmmmmmm. Makes you have to stop and wonder.
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I try to be very positive despite our performance...and I...
Sep 11, 2011, 1:03 AM
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was today and remain that way despite many concerns. However, I could not help but think what would happen if Clemson had Dabo and crew recruiting and Mike Ayers (sp?) coaching this talent we have. He took Wofford level talent and did that to us...what could he do with our players?
There's no way around it - We have a young head coach who is learning on the job...just like Tommy West did. Everyone got all smitten by Dabo because unlike Bowden he was smart enough to say the right things. Just like all of these idiots have come up with "The Chad" and all that crazy talk. Why...because he said the right things about toughness and yada yada...coachspeak. The guy had never coached a game here and was 2 years out of high school and just like Dabo he had been crowned. He was barely more experienced as an OC than Napier.
West later admitted he was in no way prepared for a job like Clemson. Dabo is not either. Does that mean he and Morris will fail...not necessarily. He deserves his time to see what he can do. If this experiment goes bad...we #### well better get an experienced head coach next time around.
I'll stay positive and hopeful Dabo and crew will get it together. I'll even be patient for a couple more years until his recruiting classes are in place. Hopefully he'll be a quick study, but Clemson is too good of a football program for all of this learning on the job mess.
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Chad Morris has already been successful at Tulsa as OC….
Sep 11, 2011, 2:57 AM
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so why are you bringing him up in relation to Dabo.
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Re: Chad Morris has already been successful at Tulsa as OC….
Sep 11, 2011, 6:48 AM
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I agree that Dabo is inexperienced, but he is a good fit for Clemson IMO.
I wanted to hire Chris Peterson (badly) but he isn't a "good christian man" and I'm not on the BOT.
Dabo has done well in recruiting top talent. Hopefully, (with his new additions to his coaching staff) we can start winning championships again. I'm not sure how much time he has to do so however...
(the fan base has waited long enough already)
I also think Dabo is part of the solution. There are many other people within the "leadership" @ Clemson that have been there during this 2o year championship drought with zero accountability.
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Yup.....and another coach of ours learned on the job....
Sep 11, 2011, 7:50 AM
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and if not for cooler heads, Ford would have been fired after his second year when he went 6-5. I am NOT saying Dabo is just like Ford, just that the "fans" were calling for Ford to be fired because he was too young and inexperienced. By the way, a Ford led team beat Western Carolina by 11 points the year after our title year. Sometimes those smaller teams just come prepared and really play hard....even when we have a coach like Ford leading the team. Football is crazy like that.
Disappointed in our Defense....but these teams often give bigger teams problems. Hopefully we see some improvement by next weekend. GO TIGERS.
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You guys are still on this one?
Sep 11, 2011, 9:23 AM
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I figured once the season started with Dabo coaching, you would quietly hide the Ford comparisons. This season is happening one way or another, so we will soon know exactly how similar Ford and Dabo are.
I really really hope all the undefeated predictions come true. However, I wouldn't still be predicting it after seeing those first two games.
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Re: Yup.....and another coach of ours learned on the job....
Sep 11, 2011, 11:56 AM
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Exactly. What do folks want? A big-name experienced guy like Rich Rodriquez at Michigan? Like Brian Kelly at Notre Dame? Like Lou Holtz at , like, wherever he was last?
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Yeah,,,we're 2-0,,,,let's fire the coach,,,,moron!***
Sep 11, 2011, 7:55 AM
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Re: Yeah,,,we're 2-0,,,,let's fire the coach,,,,moron!***
Sep 11, 2011, 8:42 AM
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I don't think "learnin" is the problem
Sep 11, 2011, 8:12 AM
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I don't think he wants to do what he is supposed to do to win. Doing what you are supposed to do can be boring. Like for example, the fake FG yesterday. That was not the high % play
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Re: Just because he's a good man doesn't mean he's a good coach
Sep 11, 2011, 8:12 AM
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I don't care how we win but as long as we are doing so then I will be happy. Am I concerned that our defense is starting very slow? No doubt but at the same time, I look across the landscape of football and I see quite a few defenses that are unable to shut down the opposing offense. On paper, Baylor was not suppose to score that many points and beat TCU. On paper, Missouri was a better team than ASU. The point is that we won and found a way to win. Auburn barely escaped a few losses to weak opponents last year and the previous year but once they started rolling they were impressive. I'll reserve my concerns for when we do not show improvement in at least 2 of the 3 facets of the game from game to game. I think overall our offense and quarterbacks showed improvement and special teams showed some improvement. Am I happy with the way we won and played? NO. Will I care when we get 8 or more wins on the year under this new identity/regime? Heck no. Show me improvement from game to game and over the entire season, not just a handful of games.
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our entire offense is the "cross your fingers and get lucky"
Sep 11, 2011, 8:33 AM
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offense. Our entire theory is that we don't have to control the line of scrimmage, we don't have to control the ball and methodically work it down the field, all we have to do is get the ball to our fast guys out in space and they will make big plays.
The problem with this is that what it translates to is that we are moving the ball laterally all day and we can barely execute on a fundamental running play or an intermediate passing play like a TE Post. So, what the other team does is simple, they move everyone up, they play us tight, and they stuff our lateral moving offense. Every once in a while we manage to spring a big play, but the number of points we score is directly proportional to the talent level of the opposing defense.
It's a losing formula.
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Re: our entire offense is the "cross your fingers and get lucky"
Sep 11, 2011, 10:47 AM
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That looks like good analysis, and we are not controlling the line on either side of the ball, which is going to cost us. But I don't think that's the theory. I think that's the execution. Getting whipped on the offensive front by Wofford is just a really bad preview.
AND on the defensive front! Seems the second team defense did better...
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I don't want a coach who goes into a game with a Southern
Sep 11, 2011, 10:01 AM
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Conference team thinking its going to be a four quarter game.
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Re: Just because he's a good man doesn't mean he's a good coach
Sep 11, 2011, 10:43 AM
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If he's not a good man, we don't need him at our school.
It's the constant erosion of Clemson by this termite-like coach questioning that hurts us most. I haven't seen a game on television in years that didn't start with "Coach may be on the hot seat..." I begin to wonder who would want to coach for us, and it becomes a little more clear why Clowney, Lattimore, and Gilmore go to USC. They hear this whining about the coach too, at it's been happening for years, apparently about Bowden because he kept a worried look on his face instead of a threatening one. Could it have really been his record?
I remember being a high schooler watching a kid named Jordan kick a field goal to tie Wake Forest. The student body backed the Wake quarterback off the ball with pure enthusiastic noise. It was a great day for Clemson football, and I decided right then that I wanted to be part of it. Tying Wake didn't mean "fire the coach." Fewer than seven years later, I watched from a high seat in Miami as Clemson beat Nebraska.
We are letting that win, 30 years ago, become a problem for us. This is Dabo's third year. That offense is going to be unstoppable. The defense looks highly suspect. But I'm still all in.
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But what about Jesus?***
Sep 11, 2011, 10:59 AM
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Re: But what about Jesus?***
Sep 11, 2011, 11:26 AM
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Since we ain't at church, we might not be qualified...but I bet he'd field a winning team! Took over Rome AND the western world!
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Re: But what about Jesus?***
Sep 11, 2011, 11:32 AM
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and we already ran off Ken Hatfield
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Re: Just because he's a good man doesn't mean he's a good coach
Sep 11, 2011, 3:55 PM
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what CLEMSON needs is all of the coachs on this web site
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