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Kinda funny isn't it? LJD, by all accounts, is a good
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Kinda funny isn't it? LJD, by all accounts, is a good
Sep 12, 2021, 5:31 PM
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member of the team for three years and was loyal to the program and didn't transfer when he easily could have.
But CJ comes in as a brand new position coach and all of a sudden LJD is Mike Bellamy. Bulllsheet.
Dabo and Elliott have both made comments that the issue is between CJ and LJD, and they have CJ's back, but Dixon's playing time is CJ's call.
If you're brand new to coaching, in a "friend of Dabo" position that you haven't earned, you'd think you might have enough discretion to not get into a pisssing contest with the best player at the position you coach. This whole offensive coaching staff is a world class shidshow.
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This just sounds too
Sep 12, 2021, 5:45 PM
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mangy.
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As Dabo might say
Sep 12, 2021, 5:50 PM
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Grow up
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It's a strange situation, for sure. I mean, supposedly LJD
Sep 12, 2021, 5:57 PM
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is in the doghouse; but he gets the start, which would seem to indicate he's NOT in the doghouse. In the first series, right off the bat, he makes two really good runs (one for 16 yards), then gets yanked. Okay, we have a lot of great RBs in a neck and neck battle, so this is just part of the planned rotation, as both Pace and Shipley get in on that first drive. No big deal. But then we don't see LJD until the 3rd quarter, as apparently he was back in the doghouse. When he does come back in he lights it up pretty good again. Then we hear that he "needs to grow up". I trust Dabo 100%, but this is a real head-scratcher. It's just hard to figure how LJD goes in and out of the doghouse multiple times within the course of a game, and what he's doing to get put in there as we see nothing obvious.
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Coach Obed to the rescue.***
Sep 12, 2021, 5:58 PM
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That's good stuff, but I've actually only coached
Sep 12, 2021, 6:06 PM
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two fewer college football games than CJ.
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I trust CDS but I did think it was kinda fast that cj
Sep 12, 2021, 6:09 PM
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got an on-the-field coaching position.
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You come on here everyday with more BS
Sep 12, 2021, 6:36 PM
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you know little about. Are you just trying too hard to be anti-sunshine pumper?
I get that and it gets old compared to the old dumpers like Danny and Vince Dooley.
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Well there are a couple things.
Sep 12, 2021, 6:42 PM
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1) because you know little about it doesn’t mean I don’t either.
2) I do talk out my #### every single day, but I’ve probably discussed football 4 or 5 days total since January. I reject your hyperbole.
3) my subject lines aren’t cryptic. If you see one referencing CUFB, don’t read em.
4) love you boo. You can’t quit me.
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He may have a little more knowledge...
Sep 12, 2021, 10:31 PM
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In what makes someone a successful running back.
I'd also like to see LJD get more carries, but maybe there's something we don't know (also, don't forget LJD had some ball-on-the-ground issues before this season).
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Ball on the ground???
Sep 12, 2021, 11:20 PM
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He has one….ONE fumble in his entire Clemson career—-over 200 carries. He’s averaged 6.6 yards a carry. He would have video game numbers (prior to being in CJ’s doghouse) if he hadn’t been behind the best back in Clemson history every year he’s played.
We can debate the “what’s the deal with CJ” stuff because we don’t know. If you start trying to justify him not playing for reasons related to his football ability, you’re heading for the deep end of the “don’t knowshit about football” pool.
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Re: Ball on the ground???
Sep 13, 2021, 8:03 AM
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One fumble lost in a game. Not the only time he's put the ball on the ground. And maybe there's something going on in practice we don't know.
I'm not taking away from LJD's ability or even arguing he shouldn't start. I was frustrated with his lack of playing time against UGA.
You think maybe you're jumping the gun a little here on our coaching staff and CJ? Be patient and give em time. They have a track record of figuring #### out.
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All good man, I just like discussing hypotheticals.
Sep 13, 2021, 8:08 AM
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Deep down I'm just praying we don't have a season long miniseries version of the "Why'd you take Merriweather out????" short story.
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Me too, but...
Sep 13, 2021, 8:12 AM
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They've seemed to know who the right man is for the job for the last several seasons. Maybe this is just a temporary punishment.
Seems we have bigger problems than LJD's playing time. I feel there's a lot of sloppiness on the O side of the ball. We had way too many turnovers and near turnovers against SC State. I feel the energy on our D, but not on our O.
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O has negative dickheat***
Sep 13, 2021, 8:14 AM
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At this point, Sarkasian might be available after this
Sep 13, 2021, 8:22 AM
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season. He could fall off the wagon, get smashed on four loko, and wreck his motorcycle while riding around naked with Jimbo Fisher's ex-wife and I'd be like "Let's give the man a chance".
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Re: At this point, Sarkasian might be available after this
Sep 13, 2021, 8:26 AM
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I actually agree. Or go grab Tom Herman. I see no reason why Dabo shouldn't emulate Saban's School For Coaches Who Can't Coach Good and go snap up obviously talented coaches to rehabilitate them, even if it becomes a revolving door.
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lulz @ the school name. Zoolander reference?
Sep 13, 2021, 8:30 AM
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Re: lulz @ the school name. Zoolander reference?
Sep 13, 2021, 8:33 AM
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The Nick Saban Center For Coaches Who Can't Coach Good And Who Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too
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'nother topic for another thread, and I've already run
Sep 13, 2021, 8:19 AM
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it in the ground, but I might be jumping the gun on CJ, but I feel like I'm doing a post-mortem on TE.
If something like this was coming from one of Brent's position coaches, I fully admit I'd feel better about it being well in hand.
CJ's probably getting some guilt by association with me, but I've also been a big fan of LJD his whole time here and I think he deserves the same benefit of the doubt that CJ seems to be getting. I respect that we never ever heard him gripe about playing time, at least not publicly, while he was backing Etienne, and I respect that he never transferred from Clemson when he probably could have and frankly had better draft stock elsewhere than he does here at the moment. I imagine it involved him getting the council of our coaches on his decisions, and getting some assurances along the way, and IMHO, there'd better dammm well be a blazing three alarm personal problem dumpster fire (that I've seen and heard nothing of still) to put him in playing time Siberia and label him an immature problem teammate in the year he's trying to make his future money.
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I think what we're really learning here is...
Sep 13, 2021, 8:41 AM
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That you're gay for LJD.
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Re: I think what we're really learning here is...
Sep 13, 2021, 8:44 AM
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Whats the deal? Does LJD not love Jesus enough or something?
Sep 12, 2021, 6:10 PM
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shidd is weird.
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Nah but apparently if you get a sweet gig
Sep 12, 2021, 6:19 PM
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With on the job training, if you negotiate well enough you also get a doghouse with benching power for senior starters.
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Re: Kinda funny isn't it? LJD, by all accounts, is a good
Sep 12, 2021, 6:29 PM
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The whole situation is FUBAR’d. Spiller gets to decide who plays?? Defense is championship quality, full of 5* talent. Offense is........ yeah. Not that.
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We seem to be feeling the effects of peak nepotism.
Sep 12, 2021, 6:33 PM
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I feel like Dabo will realize it and he’ll get a little balance back between running it like a business and running it like a used car dealership, but it’s biting us in thearse right now.
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Jimbo ran FSU into the ground
Sep 13, 2021, 7:16 AM
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keeping his friends as coaches. Dabo will do the same
Know how Saban is able to keep winning championships? I used to think his revolving door of coaches was a negative but it is apparently becoming a strength. It keeps the program fresh and the coaches are always on their toes and never get too comfortable.
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Re: Jimbo ran FSU into the ground
Sep 13, 2021, 8:59 AM
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It is definitely a concern. It doesn't seem like any other schools are beating the doors down to to hire our offensive position coaches.
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Lol I actually looked it up to see if I could take liberties
Sep 13, 2021, 6:34 PM
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With the word. Websters has it including friends.
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College football is funny sometimes.
Sep 12, 2021, 7:26 PM
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If the Titans hired Eddie George to be the RB coach, and from his very first game he had Derrick Henry riding the pine because Henry was in his “doghouse”, there’s not a fan alive who wouldn’t call BS.
Same thing happens at Clemson and you get called out if you don’t grin and clap like a circus monkey and assume Dabo and Tony are playing 5D chess and we just can’t comprehend it.
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TIL Clemson is a pro team and LJD is an awesome RB.
Sep 12, 2021, 7:34 PM
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We’re taking football coaching ins and outs.
Sep 12, 2021, 7:41 PM
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Emotional attachment to a school shouldn’t have any bearing on the analysis of coaching decisions, but it does it seems. Also, yes, with NIL the law of the land, we can now solidly discuss CFB as a business. And yes, LJD is a fantastic running back—-potential top 10 in Clemson history, but we may never know for sure. I’m just glad Etienne wasn’t in CJ’s doghouse when he was a grad assistant last year.
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I just don't think you can equate college football to pro
Sep 12, 2021, 8:13 PM
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these kids are being taught lessons - we may not agree with the methods, but that is the coach's job.
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I’ve read two quotes on it.
Sep 12, 2021, 8:50 PM
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Comments from Dabo and Elliott. Both imply that Spiller isn’t getting along with him and Vice versa.
Both coaches go out of their way to point out it’s CJ’s call.
Sorry de, CJ’s experience as a coach is woefully deficient to be coming in and having tiffs with starters and having the juice to bench them. I can’t defend that.
If it were something major that Dabo and Tony would have sat him for too, they would have said so and I’d feel a good bit better about the penalty matching the offense. They would have added none of this “CJ’s call” qualification—they’re barely supplying air cover.
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"No juice to bench them" is literally his job as coach
Sep 12, 2021, 9:09 PM
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I'm not gonna disagree with you that Spiller has yet to prove himself as a coach, but he has been named coach by Dabo so he has every right to bench/start any player he chooses (assuming Dabo gives him this power, which he clearly has).
I don't know what transpired between Spiller and Dixon, and I haven't heard anyone with that knowledge speak up. Maybe you have and so you are speaking from a more informed position. If so, then I'll concede to your opinion.
However, if you only know what you've read in two quotes and guessing at what the situation is then I'd argue we probably should just let it play out.
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We’ll let it play out because there’s no other option.
Sep 12, 2021, 9:33 PM
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If you are given one single personnel change to make though that could or should win the UGA game, I bet the majority of responses would say starting LJD and leaving him in there. I just hope this is some life changing stuff for LJD and not just CJ feeling disrespected by being late for a meeting or a little back talk.
The potential game winning decision was put in the hands of someone with (as of that game) literally no high-level coaching experience—-there is no other business in the world I can think of worth hundreds of millions of dollars that would put that much power in someone’s hands that untested. My trust with Dabo is that it will hopefully be a mercifully short leash if needed.
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Fair points...
Sep 12, 2021, 9:46 PM
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But from what I heard and read, most would argue Scott and Caldwell were more to blame for the loss to UGA (and I'm not saying I agree or disagree with this, but it's certainly where most are upset). But I get your point, and it's fair, but I think you're rushing to condemn Spiller. It's his job to make those types of decisions and if Dabo disagrees with it, he could overturn the decision. And I do think it's funny your entire last paragraph could have equally applied to Dabo when he was hired as head coach, speaking to the idea of letting this play out.
I will say, I do understand your concern about Spiller's inexperience and I share it, too, to a degree. But when it comes to the subject of him being allowed to start/bench players, I think the position itself determines that power no matter who fills it.
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Re: Fair points...
Sep 12, 2021, 11:26 PM
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Agree completely about caldwell and I assume you mean Elliott—-I wish we were arguing about Scott.
No, what I’m saying is if you could make one move in that game, real-time,…one realistic personnel change, that could likely have won the game, what would it be. Coaches are useless for this exercise because you can’t swap a coach at game time.
I’d say two things…LJD majority of touches, and I’d entertain giving Phommachanh a chance at QB after DJU clearly struggling. Maybe moving Ross out of slot, but that’s all I’ve got.
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lol, yeah, Elliott. I have always confused their names...
Sep 13, 2021, 3:44 AM
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My theory is that because their last names are used so often, and I know Tony Scott the (former) movie director that I just always combine the two in my head. That, or I'm an idiot.
There are lots of potential moves that could have been made and maybe they would have worked, or maybe they would have made things worse. That's fun internet conjecture, but I don't think you can positively say making any one move would have beat UGA.
But, I do think Dixon is our best RB or at least should be given the opportunity to lose that job since he's a senior and has earned that right. On the flip side, I also think the coaches have every right to start the players they want and feel have earned it in practice or gives the team the best chance at winning. And maybe that's still Dixon, but he just needs an attitude adjustment or maybe Spiller is overreacting, I have no idea what actually happened and that's kind of the overall point.
Hopefully, all this will be water under the bridge in a few weeks and Dixon is rushing for 150 yards a game.
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I can fully believe TE is playing 5D chess
Sep 13, 2021, 8:52 AM
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cause he damnsure ain't coming up with new plays or ways to take advantage of opposing teams.
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I’d be double pissed if I wasted my last year of eligibility
Sep 12, 2021, 7:47 PM
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being in Spillers doghouse and watching my former backup rack up 100 yard games and increasing his draft stock up in Wisconsin.
Who knows…every year it seems Dabo has a favorite to put into the love shack, but it was always his personal S&M dungeon. Wonder why this year is different.
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Ok, alt theory: CDS is planning to go across the season.
Sep 12, 2021, 8:02 PM
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After the UGA game, He knows that with DJU, he’s gonna need to lean hard on the running backs.
Shipley is great, but you need more than him.
And you don’t want to show your strengths early- only hope is to save an ace for the postseason.
So, get in LJD for a couple hits here and there per game. Otherwise, save him for later. Use whatever tools he has to stoke him up and get him motivated and primed for 9 games later.
Would you prefer the best RB gets 25 carries a game against SC State and the awful ACC slate?
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Turtles. No wait, ninja turtles. No way, mutant ...
Sep 12, 2021, 8:15 PM
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But dang, yours does make the most sense. Not as a stand alone deal, but as an explanation for the start-then-yank scenario.
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The Mange is <-------- That way***
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Re: The Mange is <-------- That way***
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Ps: hoo r u?
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I ask, politely
Sep 12, 2021, 10:09 PM
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SETTLETHEFUCK DOWN. This is way deep into conspiracy theories. Re. Lax. God is good! And Go Tigers.
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I’m settled, I’m settled.
Sep 12, 2021, 11:04 PM
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You’ll notice I’m not calling for Dabo’s head and I’m still acting President of the Brent Venables fan club. I’ve said this is a 2-3 loss season though. 1 down. We get to three can we have some actual conversations about football and stuff without me being a heretic and having to be Prozac-positive about errything?
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Speculation***
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Foist of all....hoo TF are U?
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2n'd of all, poast tiddies.
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I’m not drunk Obed…
Sep 13, 2021, 2:57 AM
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But where there is smoke… there is normally fire. He’s not in Dabo’s doghouse as much as CJ’s, it seems like. So maybe you are right. But maybe CJ knows what he’s doing. Who knows at this point? You know what position we should be most worried about? Skalski is the QB on defense. But who is the QB on offense? I was scared that guy couldn’t run last week. Now I’m scared he can’t run or throw. And Phommachanh is scary good at being scary. Who’s developing the qbs? It feels like Tajh is working overtime on Streeter right now. Man I miss Kelly Bryant. Can’t wait until he’s back at Clemson coaching the qbs!
Just kidding. I’m so glad to be able to watch Clemson football while the world is dissolving. It’s a nice distraction. And as always… GO TIGERS!!! We are lucky to be playing football.
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Orange Blooded [4701]
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Life gets in the way of me following Clemson football as
Sep 13, 2021, 12:06 PM
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closely as I did when I was going to every single home game...
but 13 years ago people were complaining about TDP putting some no name coach at the helm of our team.
CJ is freakin Clemson royalty as far as I'm concerned and not exactly some ole chum of Dabo's.
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Yeah but run good don't always mean read good
Sep 13, 2021, 12:17 PM
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or coach good in this instance
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Lot o points [163010]
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Name one great athlete that became a great coach.
Sep 13, 2021, 1:25 PM
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It is a short list that is for sure.
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Larry Bird.
Sep 13, 2021, 1:31 PM
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Ditka.
Zinadine Zidane.
I can’t think of anymore off the top of my head.
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Dan Gable. Saw it on Sat AM Gameday
Sep 13, 2021, 1:33 PM
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greatest amateur/Olympic wrestler ever. Greatest college wrestling coach ever.
He wrestled at Iowa State, but coached at Iowa. that's why it was on Gameday.
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Like I said
Sep 13, 2021, 1:36 PM
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short list.
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CU Medallion [60205]
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it is a short list
Sep 13, 2021, 1:43 PM
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as a general rule, great athletes can envision things and have that extra gear or "zone" that others do not have. And they cannot quite comprehend why this is, so their coaching talent falls short out of frustration.
If you notice, the best coaches were usually mediocre players or bench warmers.
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Like I said, I appreciate what he did for Clemson as a RB
Sep 13, 2021, 12:22 PM
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That’s as a RB. Until he shows me something other than life lesson-ing our best RB in the season opener for “immaturity” and I see some progression in our young RB’s over time, he’s a rookie coach with almost no coaching experience and a 10 on the wonderlic.
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OOF that's funny
Sep 13, 2021, 12:35 PM
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What is a good score on the Wonderlic?
While the average score on the Wonderlic is 20, the definition of what is a good score on the Wonderlic test varies. Often times, the quality of the score can be equated to the types of position or job an applicant or test taker is pursuing. Some average scores by job title go as such:
Wonderlic Score by Job Title
Job Title Avg. Wonderlic Score
Systems Analyst 32
Chemist 31
Electrical Engineer 30
Engineer 29
Programmer 29
Accountant 28
Executive 28
Reporter 28
Teacher 28
Copywriter 27
Investment Analyst 27
Librarian 27
Electronics Technician 26
Salesperson 25
Secretary 24
Dispatcher 23
Drafter 23
Electrician 23
Nurse 23
Bank teller 22
Cashier 21
Firefighter 21
Clerical Worker 21
Machinist 21
Receptionist 21
Train conductor 21
Craftsman 18
Security guard 17
Welder 17
Warehouseman 15
Janitor 14
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a Wonderlic of 10 puts you squarely in the bottom 6th
Sep 13, 2021, 12:36 PM
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percentile.
Good thing for CJ, he likely doesn't understand what that sentence means.
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Oculus Spirit [79182]
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what's funny was his website he created for a class
Sep 13, 2021, 12:43 PM
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I'm sure one of the degenerates in hear can find it somehow.
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I thought that was Jasmin***
Sep 13, 2021, 12:46 PM
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Oculus Spirit [79182]
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Who's Jasmin?***
Sep 13, 2021, 12:49 PM
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Chad Jasmin, running back?
Sep 13, 2021, 12:50 PM
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Had a horrible website everyone made fun of....
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Oculus Spirit [79182]
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Maybe him too, but I definitely saw CJ's once***
Sep 13, 2021, 12:50 PM
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Try this on:
Sep 13, 2021, 7:49 PM
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LJD is in CJ’s Spiller Time-OUT …… something heading into the leghumper game - late, something.
He doesn’t get in until the 4th Q - we kick a field goal on his first series, we seriously miss his directing & pointing out coverages, etc.
We get to the SC State game - he starts, he and CJ have made up — LJD does great, and comes off the field spouting like the Capri Sun slapping Chad Kelly - aka Sockless Wonderkind - about how he shoulda, woulda, coulda in the leghumper game.
He gets benched - deservedly - and everybody says he needs to GROW UP.
Find the video - this is what happened.
CJ & Dabo are right - Dabo as usual - and we move on - but HOPEFULLY WITH a more mature LJD.
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Lot o points [155706]
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It's called CJ's ego winning out over common sense.
Sep 13, 2021, 10:27 PM
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Latest article shows that CJ is apparently trying to "assert his dominance" in the RB room. He seems to have mistaken disciplining a kid at the detriment of the team because he didn't get bowed to with actually earning respect as a coach.
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