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ICAN is attacking people?
Jun 5, 2021, 10:52 AM
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The people who created tribalism as a political strategy
Jun 5, 2021, 11:14 AM
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are saying Fauci is a victim of tribalism. That's really good.
A whole lot of people who believe individuals should be allowed to make personal decisions after actual truth is known, rather than being manipulated for political purposes by half truth and flip-flops into mandated behavior, is not a tribe. Its an antitribe.
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That's a Karen who is dead right. Universities are indeed
Jun 5, 2021, 11:52 AM
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seen as partisan, because that's exactly what they are. One has to remove only one word from her comment to be 100% correct: the first word, 'targeting'.
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This is well beyond ridiculous at this point. If the issue
Jun 6, 2021, 1:04 AM
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is that people twist facts, you don't ban the facts. It is obviously ridiculous to do so unless you think you must protect Fauci, which is obviously not the job of Twitter.
And Karen Kornbluh appears to be a blatantly partisan person. Not someone you seek a quote from regarding this issue.
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Why are we still talking about Fauci?
Jun 5, 2021, 11:02 AM
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I mean if he sucked so bad, why didn't Trump fire him?
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So we should silence information
Jun 5, 2021, 11:48 AM
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About public officials?
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I was not surprised that some here read that link and
Jun 5, 2021, 12:07 PM
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said, "Even the article said there was no proof yet (paraphrase). So I will wait."
Nice change of subject, but ahem, That. Is. The. Point. No, we don't yet know where the virus came from. What we do know is that the suggestion that it came from a lab was weaponized in the election. Xenophobic was the term. What we are now discovering is that the virus very well could have come from that lab, many scientists think this is likely the case, and that Fauci and others were from the beginning crafting the opposite narrative when no one could possibly know it was the truth. One of the 'scientists' most often quoted by msm in 'debunking' the lab idea was a guy who had been giving money ... to that lab. The lab-as-source idea has always been credible, No, there is no proof. But lots of evidence.
The worrying part is why this cover up happened. There is nothing overtly wrong with the research. Gain of function manipulation (I can't believe we now need to know about this) is done to examine the worst of what might happen, to better understand vaccine design. Wonderful! So why not just say that. We understand that such things come with risks. Just say what was happening. So why did they form an opposite, untrue, narrative? Are much worse bugs being manufactured with similar cavalier attitudes about safety? The answer to that is the real issue.
Many of us know that covid became a political weapon by the end of the second week of it. Those who bought into it will now defend against all evidence that the narrative was fake.
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Re: I was not surprised that some here read that link and
Jun 5, 2021, 12:48 PM
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Re: Why are we still talking about Fauci?
Jun 5, 2021, 1:21 PM
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Because he's an ongoing villain in MAGA Saga, that's why. You gotta tune in to get it, and if you aren't following, you Just Don't Get It.
This is the E-Mail Drop part of the arc.
If it feels like this is an ongoing over-wrought reality-TV drama you're not caught up on, it's because that's exactly what it is.
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broseph, and I say this with love and kindness,
Jun 5, 2021, 3:08 PM
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glass houses man...glass houses. Never Trumpers treated Trump's nothingburger tax return release with equal glee. The difference is, this time the curiosity and interest appear to be coming from multiple sides of the ideological middle.
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Agree. There were so many fake conspiracy theories turned
Jun 5, 2021, 3:25 PM
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into political weapons last year, but because the election is over any new info that reveals that the lies were exactly that is itself labeled 'conspiracy theory'. IE, "We won, so our lies are now facts."
When the next crises comes, and a govt official gets on TV with the 'we need to pull together' message, and the result is instant non-compliance, this is why. We won't be lied to again, which is not a bad sentiment, but it won't matter whether next time is actually the truth. Trust is gone.
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Politicization is a powerful force.
Jun 5, 2021, 4:29 PM
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To your point, look at Jan. 6th. That wasn't even a "we won" situation as much as a "we lost, but our lies are still facts" situation (that is still being pushed) so imagine what could be done if those same people "won." The structure of echo chambers on social media, the internet, and media are useful tools to amplify politicization.
As for this issue, I think Chris Wallace is correct, both sides do it and it's at the cost of the truth and safety of this country.
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/556969-chris-wallace-backlash-over-fauci-emails-highly-political
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Re: broseph, and I say this with love and kindness,
Jun 5, 2021, 4:29 PM
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I could honestly care less about Fauci. He seems kind of like a grandstanding suit who likes the spotlight, and his act definitely got tired awhile back. He definitely seems to talk out any which side of his mouth and his "clarity" tends to murky things up, at best.
I mean, okay. So let's shuffle him along already and get him outta the way if people feel he's muddying things up, that's what you do with a public servant who's not providing clarity on a given crisis, and COVID's definitely a thing we could use some clarity on.
But a villain? Lordy. MAGA world's big problem with him is that Trump had a problem with him. Dear Leader has spoken. After the Infidel. Loose the hounds! And the mob goes baying duly after him, it's tough to watch.
As far as Trump's tax return being a "nothingburger"...man, I dunno even what to say about that. We find out the president of the US of A owes as much as $400 million and probably as much as a billion dollars to a holding company that almost certainly has Russians at the other end of it - we don't even know who's holding his chain, which is the scariest thing of all! - and is losing money hand over fist, and that's a nothingburger?
Okay. I guess we'll...agree to disagree, there.
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Re: broseph, and I say this with love and kindness,
Jun 6, 2021, 3:01 PM
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Trump could have easily canned Fauci, but didn't.
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The nutjob conspiracy theorists need a bogeyman
Jun 6, 2021, 8:38 AM
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Fauci, Soros, Gates, Hanks, etc. It’s a page taken straight from 1930s fascism and Trump’s “poorly educated” fall for it hook, line, and sinker.
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See, this is the problem. The question is simple:
Jun 6, 2021, 8:49 AM
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Why would a non-partisan social media platform ban a company’s site for publicly announcing the release of legally obtained documents from our federal government? That’s not a lie. That’s not an accusation, unfounded or not. That’s not hate speech. So why the ban?
And of course threads on the topic devolve to comments about right wing but jobs who think Fauci’s the bogeyman. I’m not saying that’s not true, but it’s not the issue.
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Maybe it’s a simple mistake, borne from good intentions
Jun 6, 2021, 9:14 AM
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ICAN is a propagandist anti-vaxxer group that poses a danger to US public health. Weak-minded people are very susceptible to them and Twitter possibly thought they were up to the usual tricks.
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I know you’re joking, but that’s about the best justification
Jun 6, 2021, 11:03 AM
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and it’s obviously terrible. That’s where we are with Twitter.
And on a side note (because the main point really is Twitter’s insane and blatantly partisan decisions), nothing feeds into right wing conspiracy theories like blatantly unjustifiable silencing of right wing organizations...so there’s that...
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Not a joke
Jun 6, 2021, 1:52 PM
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Actually do a little research on ICAN. Don't just believe the lies that Trumpers feed you.
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No, the claim is that their account was banned because they
Jun 6, 2021, 3:04 PM
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advertised the dumping of all the legally obtain Fauci’s emails. That is complete garbage. I don’t have to do any more research than that. They could be a pro-cannibalism group and it still would be inappropriate for them to provide data obtained by the government through a FOIA process.
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Re: Why are we still talking about Fauci?
Jun 6, 2021, 10:17 AM
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I mean if he sucked so bad, why didn't Trump fire him?
Why does everything have to be about trump? It’s quite sad.
Yes, trump should have fired fauci along with a slew of other people. Trump could have hired and fired people a lot better. I think people are in universal agreement on that one.
Although now that I think about it, could you imagine the national outrage if trump did fire fauci? Wow that would have been crazy. He would have been right too!
The idiots that keep saying “derp, scientific method” to excuse fauci is laughable but expected. He has literally been wrong on everything, has flipped flopped multiple times, and straight up lied to the public. Odd that he was wrong on everything g yet he had the resources of the scientists that ENGINEERED the f’ing virus.
If this wasn’t a corrupt cover-up then why haven’t we heard from the virology lab that has been experimenting on the virus for years!
They should know everything about it.
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Trump never had the power to fire Fauci
Jun 6, 2021, 10:44 AM
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There are chain-of-command rules in place to limit a corrupt president like Trump.
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The difference between the two: the one on the left at least
Jun 5, 2021, 11:15 AM
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pretends to tell the truth, and even looks like he might.
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if he tells the truth, then why hide his emails?***
Jun 5, 2021, 12:24 PM
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That is weird since he’s a public official and
Jun 5, 2021, 11:28 AM
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bEcAuSe YoU hAvE tO tRuSt MuH sCiEnCe!***
Jun 5, 2021, 3:10 PM
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Re: Why is twitter trying to stop Fauci emails?
Jun 6, 2021, 3:03 PM
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Twitter is stopping the Fauci emails in an attempt to be fair and balanced. They are also planning to never let anyone post on HRC's emails either. Whoops, that's only one sided. Guess I was wrong about the fair and balanced thing. Maybe Catahoula® can clarify the true intentions of social media...
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The only thing I can ascertain for sure...
Jun 7, 2021, 8:02 AM
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Is that you get way to crying butthurt over how a private corporation runs its platform.
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Re: The only thing I can ascertain for sure...
Jun 7, 2021, 10:27 AM
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Yes they are private companies and can do what they want for now.
Will you at least get your head out of your a$$ and admit Twitter, and Facebook are extremely partisan?
Like I understand how you enjoy Twitter banning distribution of damning information of democrats but at least admit they do it. And they have an agenda
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I don't enjoy anything Twitter does....
Jun 7, 2021, 10:33 AM
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Because I'm not on Twitter. About the only Tweets I see are the ones you butthurt Trumpies post on here.
Also, banning raging jack ##### just means you're partisan against raging jack #####.
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Re: I don't enjoy anything Twitter does....
Jun 7, 2021, 11:08 AM
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Ok. Your head is still I the sand. All good. No sense in trying to reason with somebody so clueless.
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pretty simple - because they can
Jun 7, 2021, 9:34 AM
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before I get bombarded by all the private corporation backing blue ants here (a little ironic, but whatever), I understand it's their right to do this. But it's a pretty slippery slope, and anyone who disagrees with that is a POS partisan hack.
These corporations have too much power. That power allows them to control narratives and ultimately shape the opinions of the masses. They could shadow ban this stuff without even coming out saying they're doing it - which I'm sure they are for a lot of people / posters.
Regardless of whether or not you think Fauci is a hermit looking geezer who needs to be tossed in a jail cell, or if you nick named him Daddy Fauci and pray to his portrait over your fireplace...these legally obtained documents should be allowed to be distributed to American people. If Silicon Valley wants to block it, that's their right...for now...but don't sit here and defend this #### w/ a straight face.
I'm of the opinion that the US Government / Democrat party is leveraging Silicon Valley titans to suppress the 1st amendment rights of Americans by proxy. Tough to refute that, in my opinion. But hey, if you're a blue ant and love your team, then this is great news!
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