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Many of you will disagree with this post

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Oct 31, 2021, 7:09 PM

But if you are a fan of college sports as I am you certainly have an opinion on this subject. Many of you will think I’ve been out in the woods to long but I assure you that my feelings about this subject are very genuine.

If you have read my post in recent months you know that I am very,very opposed to the new NIL rule. Many of you are and I’m sure many of you can see into the future as to where this his headed.

There is absolutely NO way that a team can function as a cohesive unit when there is such a disparity in the way players are treated individually. Could you, as a member of a team, sell out on every play when one or two of your “brothers” is making big bucks and all you get are bruises and pain? No you can’t ! Why was this kind of atmosphere ever presented to amateur sports?

I Think that being a coach and being forced to develop a team under these circumstances is almost impossible.

Those coaches who understand the problem that NIL has created need to get together and either vehemently protest the new rule or force the NCAA to make major changes.

Perhaps I’m wrong, often times I am, but I just don’t see me selling out on a deep ball to the end zone, knowing if I catch it, it will be a great play and the guy throwing it gets another few grand!

That is NOT what college sports is all about. But that is where it is headed!

Fire Away.

Go Tigers

Fire Away.

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Oct 31, 2021, 7:11 PM

It's not that much different than having some players on scholarship and some walk-ons.

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Oct 31, 2021, 7:13 PM

I really can’t agree with that.

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Oct 31, 2021, 7:17 PM

The problem I see is what will DJ do when bojangles fires him for Shipley or Cade.

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Nov 1, 2021, 2:49 PM

That's not true. Scholarships can be taken away for bad conduct etc... NIL is up to the sponsors. Jealousy kills cohesiveness. Allowing the to get jobs would have been more fair. The only thing NIL is good for is taking away bad alumni who are bent on stealing athletes by illegal payments. Will this be the next NIL?

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At the very least, NIL money should be put in a trust fund

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Oct 31, 2021, 7:17 PM

given to the players when they either graduate, declare for the draft, or finish their college playing career for whatever reason. Giving it to them when they leave a school would just encourage transferring.

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Oct 31, 2021, 8:24 PM

Why? Explain your reasoning. A legal adult needs to be treated as a ward of the state or fed government until they leave school if a third party wants to pay them? Y’all really don’t understand the underlying issues that were adjudicated by the Supreme Court. An individual has a right to their own likeness and can use it as they see fit. Period. It is a matter of settled case law - unanimously! There is no - well the schools should do this or the NCAA should do that. They have no legal basis to deny an individual the use of their own likeness. Period. The schools don’t have to grant use of their logos or other copyrighted/trademarked insignia, images, etc. But they can not stop a 3rd party from endorsing a player however they see fit for whatever legal service they wish to render (advertising, appearances, speaking engagements, signings, etc…).

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Nobody is saying it is illegal


Oct 31, 2021, 9:04 PM

We are just speculating as to the effects of it and what maybe could have worked better. We get that it's a done deal. It's just discussion, sports board banter.

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Re: Nobody is saying it is illegal

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Oct 31, 2021, 10:22 PM

The OP is specifically calling on coaches and/or the NCAA to make changes to NIL policy. Which seems to me like he completely misunderstands everything about the issue. They literally have no say over the matter.

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You know you don’t have write the word “period” after a sentence, right?

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Nov 1, 2021, 3:58 AM

That’s what punctuation is for. You can just use the little “.” thing.

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During season, players should have to have a business mgr.

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Oct 31, 2021, 7:22 PM

Who takes care of the business, with no time alloted to player for money management. Elliot says time taken away from fb because NIL is largest problem.

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I hope these players and their families are 100% responsible


Nov 1, 2021, 2:20 PM

for paying for managers/advisors/business people associated with their NLI deals.

It shouldn't impact our coaches or our school in any way.

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Oct 31, 2021, 7:29 PM

“I just don’t see me selling out on a deep ball to the end zone, knowing if I catch it, it will be a great play and the guy throwing it gets another few grand!“

Glad you’re not on the team.

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Oct 31, 2021, 7:48 PM

NIL isn’t a new rule. It is a right to use one’s own likeness for profit that was unanimously upheld by the an otherwise ideologically divided Supreme Court. If your opinion of an issue falls afoul of a unanimous Supreme Court decision you probably haven’t done much homework on the topic and are on the wrong side.

As for how do you have a cohesive unit - how did we manage when a small fraction of the roster was bound for the NFL and millions of dollars while everyone else was just collecting bumps and bruises? NIL contracts are not between the team and player. They are between third parties and the players. There is no more reason for it to be corrosive to team unity than a player with rich parents or a starting QB who is declared a sure fire #1 pick from day 1. By your logic why does anyone bother playing college sports when >98% of the players are just grist for the <2% who’ll ever make a paycheck for playing (do you believe the 98% actually believe they’re on equal footing with the 2%)? NIL isn’t much different other than that they can commodify their talent sooner and some players who may have eventually fallen off of the draft board might still make a few bucks for their effort.

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^ sorry - meant for OP


Oct 31, 2021, 7:49 PM

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Oct 31, 2021, 9:05 PM

The difference is in the perspective of those who look at college sports and consider the individual participants to be student-athletes versus those who view them as simply athletes.
I can agree all day that NIL is bad idea, but to say it ruins college athletics fails to recognize that D1 Power 5 programs were already a wreck.

If one seeks purity in college athletics, one is going to have to follow smaller programs that are seldom on television

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Oct 31, 2021, 7:32 PM

If that is the case, why doesn't it seem to affect other top teams the way it has ours?

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Oct 31, 2021, 7:41 PM

Who is to say it hasnt.

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Oct 31, 2021, 7:53 PM

Their wins and losses?

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Oct 31, 2021, 8:34 PM

I’d call that a mic drop moment.

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Nov 1, 2021, 10:58 AM

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Oct 31, 2021, 7:50 PM

NIL isn’t a new rule. It is a right to use one’s own likeness for profit that was unanimously upheld by the an otherwise ideologically divided Supreme Court. If your opinion of an issue falls afoul of a unanimous Supreme Court decision you probably haven’t done much homework on the topic and are on the wrong side.

As for how do you have a cohesive unit - how did we manage when a small fraction of the roster was bound for the NFL and millions of dollars while everyone else was just collecting bumps and bruises? NIL contracts are not between the team and player. They are between third parties and the players. There is no more reason for it to be corrosive to team unity than a player with rich parents or a starting QB who is declared a sure fire #1 pick from day 1. By your logic why does anyone bother playing college sports when >98% of the players are just grist for the <2% who’ll ever make a paycheck for playing (do you believe the 98% actually believe they’re on equal footing with the 2%)? NIL isn’t much different other than that they can commodify their talent sooner and some players who may have eventually fallen off of the draft board might still make a few bucks for their effort.

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Oct 31, 2021, 7:57 PM

don't care if this one guy is getting money then so should the TEAM...........ITS A TEAM SPORT OR IT WAS

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Oct 31, 2021, 8:11 PM

What? So all players on a “team” should make the same? Again, you are spitting in the wind. People have a right to make money from their own likeness. This is backed up by a unanimous Supreme Court decision. Should the Tampa Bay punter make as much in endorsements as Tom Brady. The answer is no.

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Oct 31, 2021, 7:54 PM

If you spread the wealth equally in the TEAM ...then i don't have a problem but if its just one guy making all the money then its bull$hit

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Oct 31, 2021, 8:13 PM

Do you consider yourself a socialist or are you only a socialist when you believe imposing a socialist scheme makes it more likely for your team to win?

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Oct 31, 2021, 7:58 PM

So you see yourself as not making an effort to catch a deep ball, help your team win, perhaps grow stock as a futureNFLer, all to make your QB look bad because he's making money you are not.

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Oct 31, 2021, 8:04 PM

I think this issue goes a little deeper than that dawg!

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Oct 31, 2021, 8:14 PM

I'm not disagreeing the NIL is potentially divisive. I just don't think your average guy is going to sabotage his team and future over it.

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To me

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Oct 31, 2021, 8:12 PM

There is a very big difference between players working hard to become a well paid professional and becoming part of a a TEAM and having teammates already being paid based on their ‘potential’.

I appreciate the reply’s to my original post. I always enjoy knowing how others think about my concerns.

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Oct 31, 2021, 8:17 PM

They aren’t being paid for their “potential.” They are being paid by third parties because of their perceived current marketability. Dr. Pepper isn’t paying DJ because he might be an NFLer in 2 years. They chose to pay him because he was perceived to be one of the biggest names in college football this season. Not all marketing deals work out. HTHs.

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Oct 31, 2021, 8:27 PM

Jesse Owens would have loved NIL!

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Oct 31, 2021, 8:28 PM

Jim Thorpe would have lived NIL!

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Oct 31, 2021, 8:43 PM

It is now the way of the world. We have to deal with it as best we can.
I believe the worst of it is not yet even imagined.

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Oct 31, 2021, 8:45 PM

The NIL has essentially brought dark money into the light, although, it is in some cases much larger than most of the dark payments, the $100 handshakes, the envelopes under the door, the bills being paid back home, the car being driven around campus and town, the flights back home, you get my point... and none of those payments were equal or equitable but players played to the max for the love of the game, the championships, bowl games and potential pro careers. I know this because I personally shared meals, trips down to Athens and Atlanta, libations at nightclubs and comp meals at some of the best restaurants in the late 80's and early 90's with players from that era because of those handshakes and envelopes. But there was no jealousy from other players toward "Terrance" or "Leon" because he got a handshake and another player did not. Most saw that as an opportunity to go out and earn a handshake or an envelope for themselves...

If you won't give your all for the good of the team because you see others benefitting from their efforts, then that is truly a personal problem and you would be a locker room cancer... and I reasonably hope that you wouldn't expect that from yourself...

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Oct 31, 2021, 8:50 PM

That's pretty much the makeup of every business in America. Actually that's the makeup of our entire society. Really no different. And IMO the huge money grab the colleges executed over the last 30 years setup the system for it.

I'm mainly concerned Clemson will be at a big disadvantage over the larger market teams.

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It all changed the day every game was on tv


Oct 31, 2021, 8:53 PM

Im indifferent on NIL and think the deals can go bad for the team where the culture is lacking....but to rid of the NIL deals you have to get rid of TV... The amount of money being made now compared to 20 years ago isn't even comparable.

It's a totally different world

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Oct 31, 2021, 9:14 PM

Agree 100%. I’m old school and college sports is not what it was when I was a freshman in ‘71. Times change.

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F.T., I stated my position on that NIL crap long ago:

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Oct 31, 2021, 9:31 PM

I despise it nearly as much as I despise this transfer portal hogwash.

No one, and I mean no one will ever convince me that jealousy, envy, dislike and low morale won't enter into relationships among 18-21 year old teammates, REGARDLESS of their team's success or lack of it.

I believe it could be one of the problems with our own team this year among others.

Perhaps, my disregard and distaste for the aforementioned travesties are only surpassed by my distaste for the wimp jackasssses in high places that thought either or both would be a good idea!


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Oct 31, 2021, 9:52 PM

It's a joke really. NIL will lead to a total upheaval of football. USC, Bama, and UGA will soon dominate recruiting.

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That’s insane. This is a team game and if someone


Oct 31, 2021, 9:57 PM

Wants to get drafted high they will play hard.

Not everyone is a jealous little baby. I hope we don’t have them on our team.

Do you think high school players with D1 teammates don’t play as hard because they don’t get what recruited players are getting. Not to mention a scholarship.

I don’t think that’s the issue with our team. Sure didn’t seem
To affect our defense. What did affect our defense was playing 90 snaps a game and selling out their bodies to win games against teams like … GT. They are beat to heck and you can’t tell me we have selfish guys on our defense.

We have no scheme and haven’t innovated it in many years. We need a real OC.

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Nov 1, 2021, 11:14 AM

Well I googled top college OC and tony Elliott was #2 behind Lincoln Riley. Many of the names on the list are current head coaches. Just curious who would be your pick for a real OC?

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Nov 1, 2021, 11:24 PM

Well, you could find a lot of options for $2 million.

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Oct 31, 2021, 10:15 PM

I mostly agree, but don’t think NIL is to blame for Clemson’s woes this year, but I could be wrong. We as a society are always trying to change things to improve things that don’t need improving. We just can’t be satisfied with what is already a good situation. It’s called greed and selfishness and our society is eat up with it. Sorry for my mini rant and I will now get off my soapbox and hope my Braves don’t blow this game and have to go back to Houston.

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Oct 31, 2021, 11:01 PM

Many of us grew up in the woods and it has left a lasting impression on us. We can see what’s coming, we just can’t stop it. NIL will turn the dark money out into the light. The wealthiest fan and booster bases will rally to build depth and control recruiting. The no-show jobs at construction companies will turn into an NIL arrangement for every scholarship offensive lineman. Another car dealership or construction company will take care of the scholarship defensive lineman, linebackers, defensive backs etc.

Individual five star recruits will get appropriate five star money. Arch Manning is going to get seven figures.

I am not so much worried about individual players having jealousy as I am about certain fan bases just simply outspending other fan bases through NIL agreements. Clemson has great culture and facilities. Clemson has boosters. Clemson has the support. But Clemson in no way has the kind of money around this football program that huge universities like Ohio State, Southern California, Texas, Georgia, Florida etc.

Even Alabama with it’s enormous brand and name recognition may at some point fall victim to bigger universities with bigger alumni groups, bigger booster consortia with much deeper pockets like USC which is surrounded by Hollywood money.

The best Oline recruits are going to go to the best NIL deal. Yes one school has a booster paying $50,000 a year for a scholarship offensive lineman, the best guys will go there rather than a university that only has NIL arrangements for $10,000 per year.

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Oct 31, 2021, 11:02 PM

1) If this was an issue, it's not unique to Clemson. So it's an even playing field for all.

2) Most people are highly overrating how much kids are thinking about this. When the game starts, this stuff goes out the window. Further, each starters in our program all know they have a chance to make it the NFL, so there is a great incentive to perform well each play.

3) Don't forget, all the players are receiving a cost of living stipend. That's at least $8,000 a year in Clemson. That plus the scholarship, the tutors, Paw Journey and all the other perks you get being on the team really minimizes the opportunities to be upset about something like this.

4) What most people care to not think about, was how the players felt before the NIL, and the distraction THAT caused. Schools and the NCAA were making millions upon millions of dollars off the backs of college athletes, especially in Basketball and Football. If what you say is true, then it was true in this instant as well and caused issues.

5) Kids know where they stand. They know a pecking order. Someone on their team making $$$ isn't a surprise. They're not going to give up so easily b/c a teammate is making what they deserve. If anything, you could argue it would motivate them to work harder and make a name for themselves and get their own endorsement.

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Nov 1, 2021, 11:27 PM

I guess everyone is OK with the HC making $8.3 million. College football is amateur in name only!

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Nov 1, 2021, 1:39 AM

Iah…whether I agree with what you said or not is irrelevant…so is your opinion at this point as it relates to now or the future…but thanks fir sharing!!!

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Interested in how many people dislike NIL

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Nov 1, 2021, 6:23 AM

But believe in free market capitalism.

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You realize that the NIL is here to stay

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Nov 1, 2021, 10:49 AM

due to the SCOTUS decision, right?

The NCAA got their butts handed to them 9-0. Nothing NH is going to change it.

The NIL is here to stay. It's time to adapt or die. Same with the portal.

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The root of the new rule comes from Washington DC


Nov 1, 2021, 11:10 AM

and our legislature/judicial branches.



We either own our own names or they are the property of the "greater cause of society".

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One million percent agree with you

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Nov 1, 2021, 12:41 PM

In fact, it has already taken a toll on my fandom in a negative way. If they wanted these kids to make a little money (on top of their free education, free tutoring, free room and board, free food, free team-issued clothing, free players exclusive cafeteria and workout facilities, on top of being chased after by most of the females on campus), they should have done it differently. Very differently.

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Nov 1, 2021, 12:55 PM

You are NOT wrong brother! TU!

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I agree with you, NIL is bad news.


Nov 1, 2021, 2:16 PM

College sports (football and men's basketball) have lost their way. As I've emphasized here before, college sports were originally a way for college students to play a sport while getting their education. It was more of a hobby or club, and not a profession while in school. It was never meant to be the reason why they go to college.

Division III gets this right. They don't have athletic scholarships. If you're an athlete, you must qualify for admission as a student, regardless of the sport you play. You are still recruited to play a sport, and you are free to factor the athletic part into your school choice, but you're only going to school where you have earned the opportunity academically. This keeps the purity of collegiate athletics in perspective in my opinion.

I still think that every college athlete should have to be competitive academically with the general student body in order to be admitted to school. The fact that they can throw a football or shoot a basketball shouldn't influence that admission decision, and certainly not to the extent that it does today. No major college program has the balls to institute something like this, because it would result in a huge competitive disadvantage. Plus, most alumni would not like it because we all like to have competitive teams. It's fun to win. But if we're honest with ourselves, it cheapens the educational mission of our school.

Major college sports already create a "haves" versus "have nots" situation. The athletes on scholarship are given many perks other students don't have. They get their own tutors, their own workout facilities, their own medical/training staff, their own dining halls, and preference for housing and class scheduling. Most don't really interact with the general student body much and are typically not involved in clubs, fraternities, etc. They tend to stay within their team bubble. They are ultimately getting robbed of a genuine college experience, all in the name of sports and those sports being given an unhealthy status.

This divide will be furthered by the NIL stuff, not only on college campuses, but within teams. I don't see any good coming from this.

Don't get me wrong, players should be allowed to capitalize on their image. I don't see how that can be argued. But for me, it is just yet another symptom of a broken system of college athletics.

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Nov 1, 2021, 2:27 PM

Best models I have heard of yet are to have a corporation sponsor the whole team and that way each athlete gets a piece of the NIL action. Now, that can go too far, like how LSU is sponsored by Caesar's Sportsbook. But look at what BYU did with Built Brands. And walk ons were specifically mentioned in that deal.

The other thing to do is to get the university's B school, Comm school, and others involved so regular students can also gain experience doing things like promoting the athletes who have NIL deals. That way at least there is some semblance of educational benefit for all as well.

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Nov 1, 2021, 4:17 PM

I agree completely, I love DJ, but when he showed up at an after-game press conference with some sort of excuse for a tux I thought that was stupid. I'm sure there was something said about that since he hasn't done anything like that since. That is the kind of thing that could cause some really bad feelings.

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