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Orange Blooded [3311]
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Has Boehner caved yet? I know it is just a matter of time.
Dec 15, 2012, 6:13 AM
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He is always out negotiated on these things so why do I keep expecting a different outcome? ..... Yep, you'd have to be if you believe this is going to end well for the country.
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Asst Coach [710]
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Lol***
Dec 15, 2012, 6:51 AM
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Orange Blooded [3350]
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Re: Has Boehner caved yet? I know it is just a matter of time.
Dec 15, 2012, 7:49 AM
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I hope we go full speed over the fiscal cliff personally. The people spoke with their vote. Let them get a full helping of it and see how they like it.
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Re: Has Boehner caved yet? I know it is just a matter of time.
Dec 15, 2012, 8:05 AM
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my thoughts exactly. Give them everything they want. If they say they need to spend 10 trillion this year and borrow 12 trillion from China, do it. Tax the rich so that no one in the country can make over 3 million a year. Every dime over 3 million goes straight to the federal govt. If you make 250,000 to 3 million in income and WEALTH, that should be taxed at 50%. If you make less than 250,000 a year, you npay nothing. Just like all the jobs that have left the nation, soon all the money will leave also. Sit back and watch the ride.
I can not wait to have to give China all the rights to our oil reservers in the Gulf to help pay down the dept we owe them.
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Orange Blooded [2663]
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Yes, it will be terrible if the folks making more money than
Dec 15, 2012, 8:11 AM
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98% of the rest of us have to pay Clinton-era tax rates on the portion of their incomes over 250,000 dollars. And we all remember how good the economy was after those tax breaks from 2001 t0 2009. The "job creators" just couldn't be stopped. Imagine how much better the economy would have been if we'd only found a third country to invade under what Republicans consider a "stimulus plan."
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The greatest peacetime recovery in our history
Dec 15, 2012, 8:37 AM
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Yeah, it truly sucked to live through the 2000s.
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Orange Blooded [2663]
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Man, seriously? The "greatest peacetime recovery in history"
Dec 15, 2012, 8:46 AM
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occurred while we were in two wars, and during an 8 year period when the number of jobs at the end was actually less than it was at the beginning? Wow. Good to know where Republican voters are on all this. Are you going to have Baghdad Bob pop up on the thread somewhere to let us know that Saddam Hussein is still in control of Iraq? Oh, by the way, during the Clinton period before the Dubya period, 24 million jobs got added, which on a back-of-the-napkin bit of figuring is 24 million more than got created after Dubya managed to wreck what had been a great economy. I'm sure, though, that Dubya takes great pride in knowing that he was presiding over an even greater "peacetime" recovery than occurred when the previous guy was wracking up the best job gains in history.
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Team Captain [454]
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I think you need to study Bwaney Fwank and Chris Dodd
Dec 15, 2012, 8:58 AM
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... Dubya warned Congress several times but they did nothing. It appears you get you're education from MSNBC.
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Orange Blooded [2663]
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warned congress about what? Dennis Hastert was the
Dec 15, 2012, 9:41 AM
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House majority leader for most of the Dubya era. Were Republicans trying desperately not to pass the budgets that they were originating through most of the 10 years that they controlled the House under the speakerships of Newt Gingrich and Dennis Hastert?
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Enthusiast [130]
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I wouldn't bother
Dec 15, 2012, 10:08 AM
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People like that are a lost cause. He's obviously a very irate liberal full of hate for this country. His posts speak volumes. He probably won't be satisfied until this gov't is a socialist regime that dictates how much people can earn.
Besides, this is football season. I can listen to MSNBC any day and hear people who hate this country.
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All-TigerNet [14090]
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The only people who hate this country are right wingers...
Dec 15, 2012, 10:22 AM
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who support free market and free trade policies that ship american jobs overseas and is turning communist china into a world superpower.
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Enthusiast [130]
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Holy crap TigerNet has 2 of them!***
Dec 15, 2012, 10:23 AM
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All-TigerNet [14090]
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Dubya didn't warn congress about anything, he passed tax...
Dec 15, 2012, 10:20 AM
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cuts while carrying out two wars, and borrowed money from the communist chinese to pay for it, further enriching a communist country. You right wingers claim to hate communist, yet you support policies that is making communist china a world superpower.
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Orange Blooded [2111]
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Re: Man, seriously? The "greatest peacetime recovery in history"
Dec 15, 2012, 10:17 AM
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Clinton had nothing to do with the economy doing what it did while he was in office. The economic boom we experienced came about because of a vast emerging and unregulated market called the internet. After the bubble burst, right before Bush took office, we were headed in a downward spiral. Things immediately got better when Bush took office. After 911 we took one of the biggest single day hits to the stock market ever. Again the recovery was fast. The current economic situation can not be linked to one single cause but a number of situations that arose. The sub-prime market was created due to Dems like Frank and Dodd pushing for more loans to minorities meaning the standards of credit worthiness were lowered creating a market in which almost anyone with a job could buy a house. When gas prices got above $4 many peoples budgets were shot out of the water and some jobs were lost. As the number of foreclosures rose homes were losing value causing more people to default on mortgages and over and over again until you get to the collapse we all witnessed. Could Bush have acted more decisively and somewhat thwarted the disaster? Who knows. But there were many warning of the dangers of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in the 6 mos leading up to the collapse.
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All-TigerNet [14090]
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Gas prices went up under Bush….
Dec 15, 2012, 10:24 AM
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things didn't get better immediately when Bush took office, they got worse economically. You right wingers act as if the Bush years never happened. Keep on living in a delusion and believe what Fox News tells you. The fact is Fox News watchers are the most misinformed people in the country.
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Orange Blooded [2111]
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Re: Gas prices went up under Bush….
Dec 15, 2012, 12:36 PM
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Haha that distinction belongs to MSNBC viewers. I know gas prices went up under Bush, I addressed that. It is a fact that under Bush after 911 the economy grew at a record pace. I am not saying Bush was 100% responsible for the recovery after taking over. Just like Obama is not responsible for the slight recovery now. It's funny you people always jump on your Fox soapbox when I rarely watch Fox News. I do not take my news from any one source. I read some USA Today NY Times AP BBC I also browse through the cable news networks and the regular networks. You on the other hand I would bet almost exclusively read Huff Post Move=on and MSNBC.
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Orange Blooded [2663]
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Orange Blooded [2111]
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Re: Really? The internet put 24 million people to work and
Dec 15, 2012, 3:16 PM
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The internet created massive wealth which in turn increased consumer spending and drove the economy. Did it create every job no but it had a bigger single impact than any other factor during that time.
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All-TigerNet [14090]
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The greatest peacetime recovery was in the 90's, and the….
Dec 15, 2012, 10:17 AM
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the 2000's weren't a peacetime, we were carrying out two wars at the same time. What kind of delusion do you live in.
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Re: The greatest peacetime recovery was in the 90's, and the….
Dec 15, 2012, 10:21 AM
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It's meant to eliminate WWII as a comparison you idiot, as that immense recovery was due to war. The Bush recovery had nothing to do with war causing the recovery. We are always in some sort of conflict.
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All-TigerNet [14090]
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there was no recovery in the 2000's***
Dec 15, 2012, 10:25 AM
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Enthusiast [130]
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My bad. I must have been misinformed
Dec 15, 2012, 10:27 AM
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the entire decade while watching Fox News 
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All-TigerNet [14090]
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Over the past 30 years under right wing economics….
Dec 15, 2012, 10:27 AM
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the average American's salary has stagnated or decreased, while prices for everything has gone up. It's a plain and simple fact trickle down economics don't work and hurt the American worker. The American worker, which right wingers have so much contempt for.
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Orange Blooded [2111]
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Re: Over the past 30 years under right wing economics….
Dec 15, 2012, 12:38 PM
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Yes but trickle-down government works great right
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Re: Yes, it will be terrible if the folks making more money than
Dec 15, 2012, 10:20 AM
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The problem is that with going back to that rate. We are spending at a larger rate now and they will not go back to that rate. Do not try that bs here. They have said that they are willing to go back to both but the Dems will not go back to both rates.
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Amateur [35]
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Re: Has Boehner caved yet? I know it is just a matter of time.
Dec 15, 2012, 8:46 AM
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Tax the rich so we can generate enough revenue to pay off 7% of the current deficit, where is the other 93% going to come from? Don't let facts get in the way of liberal talking points. During the clinton years the government spent 1.3-1.4 trillion dollars, we now spend over 3 trillion a year. Our deficit is the same amount the government spent in the 90's.
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Legend [15730]
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Caved? Have we offered him the DB Coaching job? If so, I
Dec 15, 2012, 9:04 AM
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hope he doesn't take it. His style of play is too conservative.
In other words, why is this on Tiger Board? We have a Lounge and a Politics forum.
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Re: Caved? Have we offered him the DB Coaching job? If so, I
Dec 15, 2012, 9:18 AM
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You are right, Wookie, but for some, I guess there just isn't enough interesting FB on here for some.
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Orange Blooded [3311]
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Why do I come on a football board and see this sh!t****
Dec 15, 2012, 9:45 AM
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Orange Blooded [2663]
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Sorry. Ordinarily I just let this nonsense go, but every
Dec 15, 2012, 1:18 PM
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once in awhile, the attempts at historical revisionism is just too much to bear. I mean, it takes walnuts to go back and act like Hoover was the next best thing to sliced, leavened bread; but it takes brass cannonballs to try to claim that George W. Bush gave us the "greatest peacetime recovery in history." I mean, we all were there. Some of us are still trying to pick the pieces up out of our broken IRAs.
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Orange Blooded [3311]
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Legend [18552]
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Balanced budget amendment is needed along with spending cuts
Dec 15, 2012, 9:48 AM
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Any other plan is foolish.
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All-TigerNet [14090]
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Take the politics to the politics board. How hard is it for
Dec 15, 2012, 10:14 AM
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you knuckleheads to get that?
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Apparantly too hard for you as well LOL***
Dec 15, 2012, 10:24 AM
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All-TigerNet [14090]
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"LOL" is for teenage girls***
Dec 15, 2012, 10:30 AM
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Enthusiast [130]
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LOL***
Dec 15, 2012, 10:32 AM
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110%er [6208]
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You can thank your Tea Party buddies
Dec 16, 2012, 10:25 AM
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and good old Grover. It's really not Boehner's fault.
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Orange Blooded [3311]
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All-TigerNet [14090]
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yes he has caved, he couldn't go until noon without having..
Dec 15, 2012, 10:28 AM
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a bottle of whiskey
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Orange Blooded [2018]
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Don't blame Boehner. He has no leverage here...
Dec 15, 2012, 10:34 AM
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Obama won handily in the election, and Dems increased their numbers in the Senate and House. If no deal is struck, taxes go up for everyone, which is something that those on the left have openly said they wouldn't mind all that much.
Boehner really doesn't have any leverage.
The fiscal cliff is something that was birthed during the Debt Ceiling debate in 2011. Pubs signed off on it at the time. So did Dems. No one liked the idea. But it's how we got here.
I wish Boehner had more to work with here. But he doesn't.
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Re: Has Boehner caved yet? I know it is just a matter of time.
Dec 15, 2012, 10:57 AM
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Here is proof for you left wing loonies. I have lots of family members in England. No they are not millionaires but are still effected.
Why isn’t the House Speaker (and his lieutenants) in the media, day and night, pointing out that the UK tried Obama's exact idea of a “Millionaires Tax” only a year ago and it proved a disaster. Two thirds of the millionaires in UK disappeared in one year -- from 16,000 to 6,000. Either they moved to other countries with their money, or they slowed down and stopped working so hard.
Result? Tax revenues PLUNGED, instead of increased. Two years ago British millionaires contributed 9% of all taxes. After the special tax on “the rich” passed, this same group produced 4.4% of all taxes. In other words the UK politicians damaged their economy, and proved that revenues go down with the same “Millionaires Tax” that Obama now demands.
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Orange Blooded [2111]
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Re: Has Boehner caved yet? I know it is just a matter of time.
Dec 15, 2012, 1:22 PM
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Very interesting MS Tiger. Where can I find a scholarly discussion of this?
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Heisman Winner [111423]
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Boehner caved on the golf course 4 years ago***
Dec 15, 2012, 2:45 PM
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