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Looking for a Clemson tiger opinion
Nov 4, 2013, 7:36 PM
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Was discussing this with a Clemson buddy (I'm a gamecock) who agreed. We were discussing the possibility of Mike Davis being a legitimate heisman contender next season if he finishes the season strong and improves even more statistically next season. What are your thoughts? Could very easily finish this season with 1500 yards or more. A side note, do y'all think he is more or less talented than his brother? Please keep insults out Bc they do not bother me in anyway. I just like talking football, even with rivals!
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Frig off.***
Nov 4, 2013, 7:37 PM
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Re: Looking for a Clemson tiger opinion***
Nov 4, 2013, 7:38 PM
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Re: Looking for a Clemson tiger opinion
Nov 4, 2013, 7:39 PM
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Mike Davis is a B+ running back
James Davis is a B- running back
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Orange Blooded [3245]
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I would say yes
Nov 4, 2013, 7:41 PM
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Because Slurrier will leaning him with shaw leaving. Idk how your line will look next season and that will always be important to a RB. But a RB needs to have video game numbers in college with is hard to do for a between the tackle back so don't put money on it. Gurley will be back next year and he will still be the best in the SEC but dark horse candidate for Davis will be legitimate during the preseason.
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Orange Blooded [2519]
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Heisman is not bloody likely. But I think Mike Davis is
Nov 4, 2013, 7:43 PM
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pretty similar to James. Hard to say which is better yet, but for a year or two James Davis was the best football player we had on our team.
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Orange Blooded [4774]
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CJ and James never won its sooooo
Nov 5, 2013, 10:22 AM
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yea... no...
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Athletic Dir [878]
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He's a good running back
Nov 4, 2013, 7:44 PM
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But I don't think he's near Heisman quality when considering the competition. QB's just touch the ball so much and in this world of glamourous plays, RB's are boring. Also, he plays on a team with a chicken for a mascot, that's never won anything.
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Why do coots think all of their players are HEISMAN
Nov 4, 2013, 8:20 PM
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candidates? GOSH! The State newspaper featured again this week - highlighting his pass block. ONE pass block in MSU game --- first on this season. OMG!?!?! Delusional fans and press (they are one in the same in Cootlumbia).
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Re: Looking for a Clemson tiger opinion
Nov 4, 2013, 7:44 PM
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He could be a contender but I don't think he'll be close enough next year. He's just now getting a reputation. He'd need a stud rep going into next year in order to be close to a QB. I do think he's better than James though!
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Re: Looking for a Clemson tiger opinion
Nov 4, 2013, 7:45 PM
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I can agree with the Gurley comment, our p line will be even better I feel sure, not sure about Georgia's. My only thought on Gurley is will he have a qb that's a big enough threat to take attention off of him. If they are no threat to throw and teams can sell out to stop him, his stats could take a hit.
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Orange Blooded [4787]
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uh, shaw's gone too, right ? doesn't that comment you just
Nov 5, 2013, 3:06 AM
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made go both ways ?
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Orange Blooded [4774]
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Umm no.
Nov 5, 2013, 10:33 AM
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He's a coot remember?
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Orange Blooded [3245]
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You could say the same about Davis
Nov 4, 2013, 7:50 PM
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Shaw is a huge part of the SCAR offense. Plus I have never seen Gurley look as bad as Davis did in the Missouri game.
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Re: Looking for a Clemson tiger opinion
Nov 4, 2013, 7:54 PM
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Gurley looked worse last year against South Carolina, Davis also had great receiving stats against mizzou to counter his 50ish yards rushing.
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Re: Looking for a Clemson tiger opinion
Nov 4, 2013, 7:56 PM
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And also, at least we already know Dylan can play, Georgia has no idea what they may have starting out next year at qb spot
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Orange Blooded [4403]
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he looks like the best back you've had since Rogers
Nov 4, 2013, 7:56 PM
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to me. Quicker than a healthy Lattimore and catches the ball so the NFL scouts are looking. I wonder why you're over here asking us but since you are i'll give you my honest take on the kid. He looks better than JD in some ways but he's got a way to go yet. Still suspicious to me that you came over here but you appear to be okay so i'll answer honestly. I despise the Chickens with every fiber in my body but from a football standpoint, the kid is the truth.
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Re: Looking for a Clemson tiger opinion
Nov 4, 2013, 7:58 PM
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If by contender you mean in the top 5 then no. He could be on ESPN's watch list though which goes about 12 deep.
One of two things would have to happened imo for him to be a top Heisman candidate. SC would have to be in the top 10 virtually the whole season or he'd have to have near 2000 yards rushing. Outside of that, I just don't see it happening.
As far as comparing him to JD. He's a lot faster than JD imo and seems a little more shifty. It's ironic that he wears the number 28 because he seems almost like a mix between JD and CJ. A very good back no doubt.
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Slurrier
Nov 4, 2013, 8:00 PM
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Will run him into knee problems while trying to win a trophy for USuC
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Mike Davis
Nov 4, 2013, 8:00 PM
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Is a talent but he is not better than a healthy Lattimore. No way, no how. The Williams kid they have redshirting this year is suppose to be better than Davis. I would take James D over Mike D.
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Re: Looking for a Clemson tiger opinion
Nov 4, 2013, 8:02 PM
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To be honest I like to get other fans opinions Bc asking on our message boards you rarely get any negative, you get a more honest opinion from an opposing fan. Or at least from the ones willing to talk sensibly. Haha, don't worry I hate your tigers too but when my friends asked me stuff about let's say, cj, I told them honestly he was the most exciting player I had ever seen. Hated him but respected the hell out of his ability.
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Re: Looking for a Clemson tiger opinion
Nov 4, 2013, 8:05 PM
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My only worry about David Williams is will he have the durability that mike has so far to take the hits, MD is a shock to me honestly. Didn't expect him to be able to get near 1500 yds like he's on track to get. His blocking skills and blitz recognition is what sets him apart from other backs we've had not named lattimore.
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Orange Blooded [3245]
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Remeber when quoting Missouri stats
Nov 4, 2013, 8:05 PM
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Think of the first 3 quarters as your 2014 offense and the 4th quarter as your 2013 offense. Those receiving yards that salvaged his day all came with shaw in the game.
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Re: Looking for a Clemson tiger opinion
Nov 4, 2013, 8:08 PM
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Well think of the post first drive stats against UCF as our 2014 offense as well if you take that route. Gotta look at all games DT played in.
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Orange Blooded [2672]
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James split carriers with CJ
Nov 4, 2013, 8:09 PM
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I think if James got the number of carries per game that Mike gets, then James would have put up just as impressive stats. I think James was a bit stronger than Mike, but Mike is faster and shifter. They're 2 different RBs and 2 great ones, but if have to take JD over MD.
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Can the coots keep him out of Five Points? Doubt it.
Nov 4, 2013, 8:09 PM
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And we all know what happens to coot fb players who spend time in Five Points. Don't we?
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I feel
Nov 4, 2013, 8:10 PM
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Williams could play a good bit next year and steal carries and yards from Davis. Im ok with Carolina fans coming over and talking football as long as they are reasonable. Point for you for being respectable. Apologies to Orngpurple, I just realized I misread your post. I thought you said better than Lattimore but you said quicker.
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Re: Looking for a Clemson tiger opinion
Nov 4, 2013, 8:10 PM
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I don't think Davis is a contender for the Heisman. Too many other great players. James had to split a lot of time with CJ Spiller so I'm not sure we ever saw how good James could have been. We got glimpses of his talent.
It's hard to compare. But I think James was pretty tough - a lot of runs with him dragging defenders for yards and yards. Not sure Mike is there yet. But I don't know. I don't really watch USC play.
Mike benefits by being the featured back and getting the carries. Plus this year he hasn't had to face LSU, Alabama, Auburn, or Texas A&M. Georgia's defense was young and he had a good game. Got stopped by Vandy and Mizzou.
I think that Clemson will be the best front 7 he faces this year. So, we'll see on Nov 30th.
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Re: Looking for a Clemson tiger opinion
Nov 4, 2013, 8:13 PM
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Clemson maybe the best front 7 he faces, mizzou definitely gives Clemson a run for their money though. They are as good as advertised.
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Dude, if you hated CJ Spiller
Nov 4, 2013, 8:19 PM
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you have issues. He is one of the best people on the planet. Forget his football skills. He's just a class act and first rate person. How can you hate a guy like that? Taking the rivalry a bit too far I guess....
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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If Mike Davis leads you guys to an undefeated season, he
Nov 4, 2013, 8:17 PM
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would be a contender, but we both know that isn't ever happening, so instead he will be a good back on a good team, and maybe, if he doesn't make the bad decisions his brother made at the NFL level, he will have an NFL career.
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We conferred and we all agree
Nov 4, 2013, 8:17 PM
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That you're a dumba$$.
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Re: Looking for a Clemson tiger opinion***
Nov 4, 2013, 8:20 PM
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I think the bottom line is in this day and age of football
Nov 4, 2013, 8:20 PM
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You don't want your RB in the heisman conversation unless they are an Olympic level track star. You have to score so many points in CFB that if you have to do it over the course of a season with a betwen the tackle rb you either save him for the games you need to actually play hard to win or he will break.
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Also gatorbowl
Nov 4, 2013, 8:20 PM
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James split carries yes, but mike has 1058 yds on 166 attempts as of now. Comparing to James at 203 att 1187, 214 att 1064 and senior with 171 att for 751 he's technically getting more yards with less carries already. One stat i would like to know about JD is how many runs he had of 40yds or more to compare if anyone has that.
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Re: Looking for a Clemson tiger opinion***
Nov 4, 2013, 8:21 PM
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Re: Looking for a Clemson tiger opinion
Nov 4, 2013, 8:23 PM
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Ha I didn't hate cj as a person, I hated him as a player our team had to face. I actually met him several times in zaxbys on campus when I visited friends. Class act but I still hated having to face him.
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you will need for Gurley to remain injured at uga.***
Nov 4, 2013, 8:24 PM
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MD also has a way better O-Line than JD
Nov 4, 2013, 8:26 PM
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And the dreaded spence effect to overcome.
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Re: Looking for a Clemson tiger opinion
Nov 4, 2013, 8:28 PM
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Yeah I do agree with that prpl, btw you wouldn't happen to be from Batesburg would you? Your username just made me ask lol
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Re: Looking for a Clemson tiger opinion
Nov 4, 2013, 8:29 PM
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Nope
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Re: Looking for a Clemson tiger opinion
Nov 4, 2013, 8:30 PM
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He is no better than his brother. He only has poorer judgement. James shared his carries with CJ Spiller who was at least as talented as either brother. MD is not a candidate as we speak, and doubtful spurlid will see it through to give him enough carries to get the stats needed for the national attention a Heisman candidate needs to get the votes. Also, I doubt MD will hold up physically to that level of performance, even if he got the opportunities.
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Re: Looking for a Clemson tiger opinion
Nov 4, 2013, 8:33 PM
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Yeah I hope honestly he continues to split carries with wilds when he returns and next year as well. Don't want to see him just get run into the ground and so far they are doing a nice job of preventing that.
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Orange Blooded [4435]
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Honestly, yes. He has a good chance.***
Nov 4, 2013, 8:34 PM
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Out of curiosity, why limit opinions to Clemson fans
Nov 4, 2013, 8:36 PM
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...would a Georgia or Florida State opinion be any less interesting? To come on a Clemson board and seek praise for a Gamecock player seems, to me to be seeking controversy.
The fact that you received generally constructive response speaks well of the Clemson family in general. But I think it would behoove the argument to hear from folks with Gurley in their backfield ... or Winston as their QB.
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Re: Looking for a Clemson tiger opinion
Nov 4, 2013, 8:36 PM
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Also, any of you that attend games, if you ever see a neutral dressed guy with a Carolina hat on at the Clemson Malibu and tiger bus by the canal in lot 4, feel free to say hello and chat football with me.
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Revdodd
Nov 4, 2013, 8:42 PM
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Have you ever tried talking to uga fans or gator fans on a message board? I was banned from an uga board last year for asking eerily similar questions about lattimore. I do however ask questions like this to auburn and Tennessee and vandy, as I'm sure some of you realize, rival teams pay more attention to rival players than let's say just conference opponents so I know I'll get a mostly informed opinion. Also how could I ask the question about James to any other fan base, haha.
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I try not to talk to JawJaw fans....
Nov 4, 2013, 8:51 PM
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...except to tell them to quit wiping my windshield at freeway interchanges.
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Re: Looking for a Clemson tiger opinion
Nov 4, 2013, 8:58 PM
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Ha my point exactly. Thanks for the opinions though guys. Also thanks for the respectful comments for the most part!
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Re: Looking for a Clemson tiger opinion
Nov 4, 2013, 9:02 PM
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From what I've seen of Davis he appears to be a good RB that runs like he's chasing someone that stole his lunch money. That said, I don't know that your team will be good enough to keep a Heisman campaign running long enough to beat out a stud QB. This will be especially true if Winston doesn't win the Heisman this year.
I haven't really seen enough to say whether or not Mike D is better than James D. I do think that Mike D is going to play with a huge chip on his shoulder against us for not recruiting him like he wanted.
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No legit shot at Heisman though he could get invited as
Nov 4, 2013, 9:06 PM
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a finalist. James was better the better back. Mike has a better o line and doesn't split time with CJ Spiller.
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Prob no heisman, but he's one of the best RBs in the nation, unfortunately***
Nov 4, 2013, 9:08 PM
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Re: Prob no heisman, but he's one of the best RBs in the nation, unfortunately***
Nov 4, 2013, 9:11 PM
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he would have a shot if he played for Clemson
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Do you remember (former) Mike Davis from SCAR?
Nov 4, 2013, 9:17 PM
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He was a 2 star guy that played at the same time as James Davis. I remember the coots saying he was as good as James Davis.
Per your question:
James Davis is better than the (current) Mike Davis at this point of his carer.
I hate to say it, but (current) Mike Davis is on a much better team than James Davis was on.
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Orange Blooded [3257]
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Get on uga board, and ask them if he is better than Herschel
Nov 4, 2013, 9:17 PM
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They are a rival who might want to share with you.
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Depends on a lot of things
Nov 4, 2013, 9:19 PM
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No player is a Heisman candidate unless he plays on a good team. No telling what kind of team he will play for (or who will be coaching it next year). Lets assume for the moment that isn't a concern.
Next things have to work out right - no injuries, good schedule, TV exposure, big stats at the right time, etc.
Then you have to look at who the competition is - is Mariota still around? what's Winston doing? Etc?
To me regardless of how you stack it the Heisman is tough. In my mind Mike getting the Heisman would be a huge surprise; doesn't mean it won't happen but I wouldn't bet on it.
I've been pretty impressed with Mike's play but I can't say who is the better back between him and James because the system, carries, etc Let just agree you are happy you have Mike and we are happy we had James and leave it at that.
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Orange Blooded [2563]
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Remember, Clowney was considered a Heisman contender
Nov 4, 2013, 9:38 PM
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"next year", last year. And this year, the only thing he's leading the nation in are excuses. The answer is "who knows?". It's a new year, completely different from this year - that's why it's played; to figure out what happens. Everything is always "next year" in Columbia.
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Spurrier will cripple him before he wins the Heisman.***
Nov 4, 2013, 10:08 PM
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That's called the Marcus Lattimore Scholarship Plan.***
Nov 4, 2013, 10:14 PM
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Re: Looking for a Clemson tiger opinion***
Nov 4, 2013, 10:24 PM
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Re: Looking for a Clemson tiger opinion
Nov 4, 2013, 10:31 PM
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Unfortunately for MD... Slurrier will run him into the ground as he did with lattimore, I hope for he sake he doesn't, but if he does it will be one less playmaker we have to worry about in November!!
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Who the heck cares?
Nov 5, 2013, 7:37 AM
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I try not to think about a Mike Davis
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All-TigerNet [11477]
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This is a Clemson board, DON"T CARE!!!***
Nov 5, 2013, 7:41 AM
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Aficionado [155]
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Maybe- the front runner for Heisman these days seems to be
Nov 5, 2013, 9:11 AM
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geared to young quarterbacks, which are easily hyped by the media. For a RB to have a shot, he would need ridiculous stats, high lights, and probably put 150-200 yards per game on the best SEC defenses like Bama and LSU to have shot.
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Rock Defender [53]
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hahahahahahahahaha
Nov 5, 2013, 9:57 AM
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hahahahahahahahaha
No.
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