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These latest Biden mandates are an absurd attempt...
Sep 9, 2021, 8:16 PM
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At government reach. And I say this as a man who is vaccinated and thinks everyone should get vaccinated.
Mandating that any private company over 100 employees require vaccinations? Or require mandatory weekly testing?
Get. The. ####. Out. This is why executive orders have to be abolished. One man--who is in questionable control of his office--is now single-handedly trying to reach into private businesses across the America and strong arm them into compliance.
And his threatening tone towards the unvaccinated is NOT how you're going to get them to comply. That will make them more defiant.
This presidency continues to spiral towards failure.
Do we need everyone vaccinated? Yes. But this way? No. If America lets this happen, it sets an even further precedent for government overreach similar to the Patriot Act and other post 9/11 measures.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/09/09/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine
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As a whole America is pretty dumb.
Sep 9, 2021, 8:17 PM
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Didn't ya know?
Embrace or gtfo!
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Yeah, I mean, kinda.
Sep 9, 2021, 8:19 PM
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I just think the dumber people are louder, mostly.
If America sits back--or more specifically, the private sector--and allows him to strong arm the populous with one EO like this, then we truly are dumb.
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We have people taking horse dewormer...
Sep 9, 2021, 9:37 PM
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instead of getting vaccinated, so the "we are truly dumb" ship has sailed.
And to one of your original post's points, what in the world more could be done to coddle the unvaccinated more to get them to get the vaccine? Every incentive has been thrown at them, and they continue to act selfishly and harm this country so I think the EO is an attempt at strong-arming to fix the ship. It remains to be seen if it'll work and the results will determine if it was a good policy and effective leadership, but at this point, many are saying it's needed because the alternative is worse.
But I'm curious what you think we could do to get the unvaccinated to get the vaccine?
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If you think this is appropriate grounds for an EO,
Sep 9, 2021, 9:51 PM
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then we have differing views of the appropriate level of executive power. If something like this was needed, it needed to come from Congress passing such a law, or not at all.
This will be overturned by the judicial branch in short order, and they will offer the same opinion methinks.
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Probably.
Sep 9, 2021, 10:01 PM
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I know DeSantis in Florida has had his overturned (albeit, he came from the other side of the issue) so I could see Biden's being overturned as well.
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Re: We have people taking horse dewormer...
Sep 9, 2021, 10:11 PM
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I've been vaxxed and don't do ivermectin, but just for the record, it isn't just an animal de-wormer. It's been used to treat various human ailments for decades.
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Re: We have people taking horse dewormer...
Sep 9, 2021, 10:13 PM
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Yes, I know that.
Sep 9, 2021, 11:20 PM
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But the point isn't about ivermectin, it's about some people hearing on their social media/echo chambers that the stuff cures covid and walking into tractor supply stores to buy the stuff which is specifically meant for horses (dose size is much larger than given to a human) instead of getting vaccinated. But to make it about ivermectin, even merck (who makes it) says not to use it and these people still will instead of simply getting vaccinated because they trust their echo chambers more than "doctors" and "experts."
I guess I should have made that bit clearer.
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Re: We have people taking horse dewormer...
Sep 10, 2021, 8:58 AM
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It worked effectively in Latin America. #### shame not to have a choice here.
So where did the variant come from?
With all these dumb ### EO's why not mandate that illegals get the jab when they break the law and enter illegally. 18% have tested positive.
This administration continues to stoop to a lower level.
#### communism!
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Seems a little…..fascist….doesn’t it?***
Sep 9, 2021, 8:42 PM
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but the good warm way.***
Sep 9, 2021, 8:52 PM
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Re: Seems a little…..fascist….doesn’t it?***
Sep 9, 2021, 9:02 PM
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I don't remember Trump mandating anything, or violating a court order, or like Obama did, prosecute a whistle blower.
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He was a furry teddy bear***
Sep 9, 2021, 9:04 PM
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Sure Trump had his moments,
Sep 9, 2021, 9:05 PM
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But I’m struggling to recall anything he did that trod this heavily on the private sector with the stroke of a pen.
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Re: Sure Trump had his moments,
Sep 9, 2021, 11:59 PM
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He's a turd with alzheimer's, and he needs to be flushed.
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Re: Seems a little…..fascist….doesn’t it?***
Sep 10, 2021, 6:58 AM
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It's actually a little socialist. The good of the whole over the rights of the individual.
He should be going through Congress if he wants this kind of stuff, though. He's got a Dem-controlled Congress; he could get what he wanted. He isn't even trying, he's just doing unilateral stuff through the Oval Office, and that's not cool.
The Supremes are likely going to block this one, if challenged. Justly. It strikes me as blatant overreach of his office and is definitely flat-out unconstitutional.
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Socialist Fascist Communist
Sep 10, 2021, 7:28 AM
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pretty much all have dictators that make rules for the masses, though some might say that socialist aren't totalitarian. I'm glad you think they are.
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Re: Socialist Fascist Communist
Sep 10, 2021, 8:01 AM
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I do. Democracy occurs between the center-left and center-right lines of the spectrum. You can be a "democratic socialist" like Bernie Sanders purports to be (actually I think in his heart he's a Communist), as long as you're willing to respect Democracy and work towards greater-good aims within the consent of those who your "greater-good" goals apply to.
As long as folks are cool with it and you can persuade the majority of them so, that's democracy. (I don't agree with a lot of the goals of Democratic Socialism because I think they're well-meaning but ultimately create a lot more problems than they solve and the free market is the way to really resolve issues - I believe the free market will sort out the Climate Crisis long before any government does much about it, for instance - but that's just me. I lean towards center-right, always have.)
Otherwise, what you're doing is outright Socialism or even Communism and trampling the individual in the name of some sense of the "greater good" - which is of course determined by whoever makes that decision - and that ain't for me. Or for most Americans.
Of course, MAGA-brand far-right-wing Fascism ain't for me either. (Or most Americans.)
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It's always presented as the good of the whole.
Sep 10, 2021, 7:55 AM
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The diff in socialist and fascist when you're on the receiving end is whether you believe them or not.
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Re: These latest Biden mandates are an absurd attempt...
Sep 9, 2021, 8:49 PM
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Maybe they can roll those 100% corporate tax hikes into the EO as well.
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Why do we need everyone vaccinated?
Sep 9, 2021, 9:21 PM
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1) Being vaccinated doesn't stop you from getting or spreading covid. It only helps you have a less severe case. Therefore it does not provide herd immunity or stop the spread, which is the entire premise of "protect others" by getting vaxxed.
2) People who already had covid have about 6-12 times better immunity than those who have only been vaccinated.
3) Anyone who wants to get vaccinated has had every opportunity to do so.
etc, etc. The logic of mandates simply does not add up.
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Splintering the country in a very calculated way works
Sep 9, 2021, 9:22 PM
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great when it comes to getting enough votes to acquire power, but it's a total fail if you're trying to lead a country. And that's what we are sorely lacking right now; an effective leader that can rally the people to do the right thing.
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Impossible to do in this media/echo chamber environment
Sep 9, 2021, 9:41 PM
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and tribalized politics our reality is. Even if that leader existed, their opponent's party will paint them as the boogeyman/fascist and their viewers/voters will never hear anything else and that becomes their reality.
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It was pretty close to this bad leading up to 9/11.
Sep 9, 2021, 9:44 PM
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I am still astonished, as I was then, at how much the country unified around Bush.
Yeah, we didn't really have social media then, but having just come off the Clinton impeachment era and the hanging chad debacle, we were pretty fractured.
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That was more about unifying around a tragedy
Sep 9, 2021, 9:58 PM
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not because of the leader. Look at dubya's trend line to see how quickly after 9/11 his approval started to move back to the 50% line. But like you said, he didn't have to deal with social media or the internet and our polarization had just really started.
Hopefully, I'm wrong and there is some magical person out there that can actually break through the echo chambers to unify us again, but I just can't see how it can occur in our current system. Heck, I think the system we have draws in the ineffective leaders who are narcissistic and selfish so I just can't see how an effective leader will ever get through.
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We get what we deserve.***
Sep 9, 2021, 10:01 PM
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A pandemic isn't a tragedy?
Sep 9, 2021, 10:01 PM
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Lot more people are dying from this than 9/11. Trump's "leadership" style clearly wasn't right for the moment, and neither is Biden's, but I think the lack of rallying and unity around this is more of a function of the pisspoor leaders in place than it is the inability of Americans to unify around something anymore.
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And I agree completely with your last line.***
Sep 9, 2021, 10:02 PM
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And maybe that's good evidence for my point...
Sep 9, 2021, 10:05 PM
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that the lack of feeling like a tragedy that this pandemic has been to some is directly a result of the politicization/tribalization/social media climate we live in.
Bad leadership isn't making people take horse dewormer, imo.
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There's a little irony
Sep 9, 2021, 10:22 PM
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in you (rightfully) decrying fragmentation, and then reusing a talking point about "horse dewormer".
There are countless drugs with human/animal overlap, and it would be just as accurate (and less polarizing) to call invermectin an intestinal roundworm medication or a lice/rosacea medication (common human uses) when you ask why someone would use it for Covid treatment. When things appear to come from a smug high ground, unity rarely appears to be the intent, and it's certainly never the result.
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That's not Ironic at all.
Sep 9, 2021, 11:12 PM
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However, the fact that you think so enough to try and call it out is a bit ironic, especially with the "smug high ground" comment.
In the case of my comment, there are/were literally people walking into tractor supply stores to buy horse dewormer because they read on their social media/echo chambers that it can prevent/cure Covid. Does it help when describing that reality to say they were buying ivermectin? I don't think so, because either way the point was there are people doing a foolish thing (doubly so because these people are, presumably, against getting vaccinated) not because of poor leadership but because of their social media/echo chambers.
Who am I polarizing? I'm not ascribing a political affiliation or group marker to those people other than saying there are people doing something dangerous because they read it in their echo chambers.
I really don't understand the point you are trying to make here or what the "talking point" aspect of "horse dewormer" refers to.
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Re: That's not Ironic at all.
Sep 9, 2021, 11:24 PM
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"...other than saying there are people doing something dangerous because they read it in their echo chambers."
From where have you heard Ivermectin is dangerous? Every un-politicized study I've read seems to indicate it being rather benign.
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The dosage of the ivermectin they were taking was dangerous
Sep 9, 2021, 11:47 PM
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because they were buying "horse dewormer" or ivermectin in a large enough dosage to treat a horse to be clearer.
It's not about ivermectin (although Merck says not to use it for Covid), specifically. I understand what it is and that it's safe to use in the right circumstances. It's about the mindset of these people to trust their echo chamber/social media over doctors and experts.
There's no evidence that ivermectin works for Covid (Merck says this). There's evidence the vaccines work and are safe. Yet, these people are going with the unproven and potentially dangerous (when taken at horse dosages, it is dangerous) drugs simply because of their echo chambers. No leader can break through to these people.
That was the point I was trying to make.
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Several issues
Sep 9, 2021, 11:57 PM
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All of these people aren't Gomers walking into Tractor Supply buying horse pills. Many doctors (several I know in this area) are prescribing it in doses that are quite human.
You weren't trying just to single out the small number of people going to Tractor Supply. You were trying to paint all invermectin users as being backwoods hicks by only quoting the furthest use case from actual approved human uses for the drug. Just own it.
Me pointing out you being smug isn't being smug. That's a fancy "I know you are but what am I" retort. Again, just own it. You feel superior to these folks and don't care who knows it, and somehow that's not counter to wanting unity with them.
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Good gracious.
Sep 10, 2021, 12:32 AM
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You have money on Dallas or something? What is your issue tonight?
Just own that you jumped the gun a little bit about trying to play "gotcha" and missed. I've been incredibly clear about the point I was making and it certainly wasn't calling ivermectin users "backwood hicks."
Just a quick thing to point out here, one of us has used the terms "Gomers," and "backwood hicks" to describe these people and it wasn't me. I'm not a psychiatrist but I think that's pretty telling about where you are coming from.
The actual approved use for ivermectin isn't for covid (Merck says to not use it for Covid)and I have mentioned that I know ivermectin has its uses. I think it's really bizarre to think I was attacking legitimate uses and users of ivermectin.
Anyway, I wish this conversation went a different way because I thought we were in agreement at the beginning.
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we were in agreement until
Sep 10, 2021, 1:28 AM
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you dropped this unfortunate talking point...."Bad leadership isn't making people take horse dewormer, imo."
I took it to mean the same usage as the multitudes of smug leftists I've seen on twitter, et al who use "horse dewormer" to take a jab at the uncultured masses who dare try ivermectin, in any dose, as an alternative treatment for Covid.
If you're telling me that your sentence I quoted above was literally just aimed at those walking into Tractor Supply and buying an incorrect dose, but in no way aimed at anyone else trying ivermectin in human doses, then I'll have to believe you and I suppose a mea culpa is in order.
And yes, I am a little grumpy on the topic, having been a Covid long-hauler since last fall, double vaccinated in March, and laid flat out this week after contracting it again. At this point I bear no ill will towards anyone seeking a better solution.
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"Why do they believe it would work" was the point
Sep 10, 2021, 2:06 AM
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It wasn't because their doctor or health experts are telling them it's okay to take, it was simply based on their echo chamber/social media and I posited that I would blame those sources over poor leadership.
And it was about those taking the horse dewormer version of ivermectin that I was using as an example of that mindset. That was the most dangerous outcome of what I was talking about which is why I used it.
But speaking to the use of ivermectin in general...
When even the company that manufactures the medicine says not to take it for Covid, I would hope no doctors would prescribe it for that reason, but I wouldn't blame the patients in that case. Blame there is on the doctor. And hopefully, it is benign enough that even if they prescribe it for covid it doesn't cause any damage (assuming it doesn't work for covid or will be found to one day).
And let me make it crystal clear, that I'm not attacking ivermectin as a legitimate drug, and heck, it may be proven to be effective against Covid one day and in that case, I think it would be more than reasonable to take it if your doctor prescribed it.
But that's not even in the realm of where my argument was initially which was that the people listening to their echo chambers/social media instead of experts and choosing to go with an unproven/possibly unsafe drug (in dosage at least) makes no sense when a perfectly safe and effective vaccine is available. And that that "failure" isn't on leadership...in my opinion.
I'm sorry for what you're going through. I've been lucky but I have a friend who has three little girls and one of them has some health issues and he's talked about how scared they are. Maybe that's influencing my language in wanting everyone to get their vaccine (and quit listening to echo chambers)so we can be done with this already and it comes off with more anger than I intended. Apologies if that's the case.
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Why do you care how people choose their own
Sep 10, 2021, 5:45 AM
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health care?
Ivermectin has merit no matter how your echo chamber tells you how to think
Conclusions:
Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.
https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/08000/ivermectin_for_prevention_and_treatment_of.7.aspx
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Please reread what I wrote, you might be surprised***
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"We are all New Yorkers/Americans, and we've been
Sep 9, 2021, 9:59 PM
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attacked by an evil, outside enemy. We must come together as one, help each other."
Somehow I don't see that happening under any circumstances today. The seeds of division have been sown and nurtured with great care over the past 20 years.
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desperate times calls for desperate measures
Sep 9, 2021, 10:21 PM
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How many people have to die, how many people have their lives disrupted by severe illness, how many kids have to be taken out of school for the year, how many people laid off work, etc, before it gets serious enough for mandates?
If things are getting seriously worse, which they are, I'm totally in favor of taking decisive actions to fix the problem. We probably need more of this, not less.
Otherwise, we might as well start digging more graves, close down more schools, businesses, and prepare for a real #### storm this winter.
When is it a good time for us to finally kick this virus' ###?
Where did all you snowflakes come from in the last year? Good lawd almighty. We need to be tenacious, and y'all acting like little spoilt chilrun.
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Yeah! Where did all you advocates of individual freedoms
Sep 9, 2021, 10:28 PM
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and haters of executive branch overreach come from anyway!!!?? Account for yourself!
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LOL, I'd obviously prefer an Act of Congress
Sep 9, 2021, 11:02 PM
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but we will never have the votes for any kind of vaccine mandate because of our dysfunctional politics. We could have a 10,000 people dying every day and I doubt we'd ever see this Congress pass such a law.
Besides, if people don't the shot, then they have the option to find new work. It's that simple.
This isn't a good time to lay up and act like drama queens about how our freedom is suddenly at stake. It's not true. Too many people have been way too cavalier about this latest turn for the worst.
Biden has the moral authority to be the proactive bludgeon of cold hard reality when so many state and local governments are in plain denial.
I'm sure enough people will complain about the mandate that there will be a court hearing in short order. We can see how that plays out, and if the courts say he doesn't have the authority, at least he got the ball rolling and maybe that will put the pressure on our government to start being more assertive in their leadership in this crisis.
Honestly, the cumulative output of this group of politicians in our country is at its lowest in such a crisis than any time I've seen in my life. They've done little to nothing except grab a mic and shit-post on twitter.
Here in SC where Gov. Foghorn doesn't even acknowledge the fact that his state is the poster child for everything broken in our covid response, he has the temerity to go off on Biden for actually proposing to do something that is possibly very effective. When he himself hasn't done squat.
We badly need leaders to take action. And if no one but Joe Biden is going to do anything about it, then I have to applaud him for having the guts to stick his neck out and be the bad guy to push hard on this initiative.
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I see that too, but you can't deny
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the peak season for coronaviruses in general is a few short months away.
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Re: I see that too, but you can't deny
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Re: desperate times calls for desperate measures
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How many people have to die, how many people have their lives disrupted by severe illness, how many kids have to be taken out of school for the year, how many people laid off work, etc, before we...
EXACT VENGENENCE ON CHINA!
Those skink-shifty commie f#cks unleashed this sh#t on the world on purpose. I want Xi Xinping drawn and quartered, and I want to drink Busch Light from his bleach boiled skull.
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That's the mentality we get into when we allow...
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Egregious government overreach. People said the same BS after 9/11. "Der herpity herp herp, gotta sacrifice some liberty for some security, herp derp, go shoot some journalists, derp." -TheSpectre, circa 2002. Maybe not an exact quote.
Problem is, when you okay it for "desperate times," you find that the desperate times never seem to end and the government says it needs to keep desperate measures against us.
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Holy crapp!
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Catahoula® and I agree on something (well, most of it).
I am also vaccinated, but don't give a dang if not everyone is not vaccinated. I've said it before and will say it again, we will not vaccinate our way out of this.
Everything else, spot on.
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Agree. I think companies can and should require vaxxes,
Sep 9, 2021, 10:58 PM
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and we have never had a problem with rules like schools requiring requiring kids to be vaxxed to enroll. None of those actually require a person to be vaxxed.
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I understand the frustration with the ongoing pandemic
Sep 10, 2021, 7:42 AM
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And I do think that vaccination is the best fix, but I am firmly against this. I think businesses should decide for themselves whether to require vaccinations.
I'm not convinced this order will actually be implemented.
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Are you this outraged about hard hats and safety vests?***
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Does the federal government mandate everyone wear em?***
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OSHA***
Sep 10, 2021, 8:10 AM
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I'll ask this again.
Sep 10, 2021, 8:13 AM
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Does the federal government mandate that EVERYONE on their jobs at their private businesses wear hardhats and vests? Do you have to wear them?
Did that order come from a single person who thinks he can mandate all laws to the entire populous?
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Re: I'll ask this again.
Sep 10, 2021, 8:15 AM
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I’m not picking sides, just answering your question that yes, the government mandates hard hats. Like Obed below, I agree that this isn’t a good analogy to vaccine requirements.
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Word.***
Sep 10, 2021, 8:23 AM
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Here comes the attempt to equate OSHA mandating
Sep 10, 2021, 8:08 AM
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a hard hat to OSHA mandating a vaccine. That's weak.
It's a cheap way to sneak through something that doesn't fall under the purview of a govt body, much like it wasn't under the purview of the CDC to halt evictions for those defaulting on their rental agreements.
This is why conservatives despise the big government you love---at some point, when it gets to critical mass, there's really nothing you can't justify with a quick and dirty EO funneled through an agency mandate.
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And it's missing the bigger point.
Sep 10, 2021, 8:13 AM
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We are talking one man--just one--trying to mandate a law to all Americans and doing so in a threatening manner.
This is the point, folks.
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Not to fly off into tangent-ville, but it seems like
Sep 10, 2021, 8:26 AM
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the past two decades have seen a lot more of these "end around" implementation of rules/mandates. You can practically see the weasel advisors running up and saying "Sir, I think I've found the loophole!!!".
They're happening because there's a vacuum in lawmaking and governance from the Legislative branch, because their every move is dictated by polling and their chances of winning re-election.
I really think term limits would help this issue on so many levels......
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It directly relates to OSHA because CATA is comparing
Sep 10, 2021, 11:18 AM
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this EO to executive overreach which it isn't. Thanks to the legislature giving the executive branch powers to install and enforce safety polices and procedures. Which is what Biden did with the EO.
If this would have been a blanket mandate for all US citizens then yes it would have been unconstitutional.
Going through OSHA and businesses, it is not.
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Disagree. If he had done this in January, I'd agree
Sep 10, 2021, 8:40 AM
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with you, but feel safety measures for the good of all is a good move at this point especially with only 50something % of our citizens vaccinated at this point. He gave them 9'months. Good move for the good of all.
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Re: Disagree. If he had done this in January, I'd agree
Sep 10, 2021, 8:43 AM
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I’d also make it mandatory to be vaccinated to get any sort of government assistance. Getting vaccinated is an IQ test, that unfortunately much of our country has failed.
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Like I said earlier in the thread.
Sep 10, 2021, 8:50 AM
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Feeling like hammeredass with Covid for the second time since last fall and vaccinations in March. Ask me how Mensa-worthy I feel from passing that "IQ test".
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Re: Like I said earlier in the thread.
Sep 10, 2021, 8:53 AM
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You ain’t dead or chewing on a plastic tube, so I’d say you should be feeling pretty good still.
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Yes, but it's likely that a Greek God-esque
Sep 10, 2021, 9:00 AM
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physical specimen like me would never be chewing on a tube. When left to their own devices, it's quite likely that my white blood cells would destroy the virus like the Road Warriors (Hawk and Animal--the good ones) attacking Jim Cornette. I feel like for a superior immune system like mine, the vaccine was like Usain Bolt putting on a pair of velcro Rockports.
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Re: Yes, but it's likely that a Greek God-esque
Sep 10, 2021, 9:07 AM
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There’s a bunch of unvaccinated numbskulls sitting in hospital beds sucking wind updating their wills wishing they had them rockports instead of walking over the coals barefooted.
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Whatta nerd.
Sep 10, 2021, 9:08 AM
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That was some world class humor and you just blew right by it.
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Re: Whatta nerd.
Sep 10, 2021, 9:13 AM
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Yeah yeah, I exhaled loudly through my nose when I read your post, but in truth a lot of your early 80’s pop culture references blow right by me.
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This is where I struggle with your contention that
Sep 10, 2021, 9:22 AM
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you want a young Doctor for your primary. How can I feel comfortable trusting my very health to a person who has never seen the majesty of the Road Warriors vs the Midnight Express in a steel cage match?
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Re: Whatta nerd.
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Careful what you say about the '80's, whippersnapper punk. I will shake my Gen X fist at you.
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Re: It's okay to let one person, a president, have this power?***
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Isn’t it really more one branch of government than just one person?
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Huge kudos for having the nuts to violate the constitution.
Sep 10, 2021, 9:47 AM
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#courage
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It will be interesting to see how the lower courts in
Sep 10, 2021, 10:06 AM
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certain states rule on this. Especially red states with Republican AGs who will seek court action.
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Re: But that's the crux of my argument
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Yeah, it just sets all sort of bad precedents...that the next prez will then just blow on past. You get a Trump that's particularly troublesome.
At some point Congress needs to get its ish together enough that they'll jump all over executive overreach regardless of party and preserve their own power, but they're too busy being partisan warriors for that to work.
Enough already. Do your effing job, Congress.
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All due respect, but this isn’t even a slippery slope issue.
Sep 10, 2021, 2:58 PM
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THIS action on its own is just constitutionally untenable. I’m not even worried about what it leads to (which obviously is bad stuff), this is some dictator BS on Biden’s part.
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Re: These latest Biden mandates are an absurd attempt...
Sep 10, 2021, 9:07 AM
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In Sydney the lock down is so severe that they only allow you to drink a 6 pack a day. Which they deliver with food because you cant leave and go anywhere.
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We should also get rid of Workman's Comp
Sep 10, 2021, 9:17 AM
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and insurance since businesses over a certain size must provide these to their employees
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Dude, just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.
Sep 10, 2021, 9:25 AM
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Workers Comp comes from every single state passing laws (in their state legislatures) giving compensation rights to employees injured on the job, not from an executive order.
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glad I'm not the only one
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my favorite line...."Our patience is running thin..."
Oh, really? Your patience? YOUR ############# PATIENCE?! Are you ####### kidding me with this ########? I'm so god #### fed up with every AARP Ensure drinking Depends wearing mother ###### sitting in Washington thinking it's their god #### duty to look out for me. #### them. Every last mother ####### one of them. So sick of this ####### ######## and everyone who supports it. We are so ###### at the highest levels it makes me ####### sick. From government to society. ######.
How in the holy #### can some senile hair losing drooling ### mother ###### who's been in god #### politics for almost 5 decades be taken seriously as if he's trying to do something different and looking out for us? Who's really in charge here? Who's really telling him what the #### to say?
I've only been in this world for 31 ####### years, and since I've been old enough to realize what the #### is going on, I've hated the government. ####### blood sucking pieces of #### living off the backs of American working class folks selling ######## to dumb ### mother ####### who think they're going to do something in anyone's interest but their ####### own.
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Yeah, that line was ridiculous. If I hadn't yet had the
Sep 10, 2021, 9:35 AM
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vaccine, but was inclined to do so, that single line might be enough to change my mind it's so insulting.
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Re: These latest Biden mandates are an absurd attempt...
Sep 10, 2021, 11:33 AM
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Its iffy, but probably a good idea practically.
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Re: These latest Biden mandates are an absurd attempt...
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I oppose this mandate very much despite the good it would probably do. There are lots of things a "benevolent dictator" could do that would probably be good for the country, but that is not how our government is supposed to work.
It's also absurd that if the vaccine mandate is such a must, that businesses with 100 employees must comply, but not one with 99 or 10.
I've already heard from some of my fringe acquaintances who oppose the vaccine. I thought they were misinformed and rabid before. This has them on fire. The consequences of this over reach will likely prevent folks still on the fence to proceed as I truly wish they would.
Biden after such a sweeping Executive Order walked off without taking a single #### question. That is ridiculous. I have a few. Does your mandate apply to people with some degree of natural immunity from having had COVID? If so, why? If so, do they have to take 1 or two doses? Will you require illegals coming across the border to be vaccinated and quarantined until this has been done? If not, why not? Why haven't you been requiring illegals already to be vaccinated? When will you decide if the mandate will include a third shot? What's the science on every vaccinated person taking a third shot?
Lastly, why do you repeatedly walk away after a speech on a major development without taking a question or taking very few and when with all the things going on at the border, Afghanistan, COVID and a proposed $3.5 trillion expansion of government are you going to have at least a 90 minute typical press conference?
His handlers can't insulate him forever. We deserve to have Biden stand on his own feet and explain himself.
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Re: These latest Biden mandates are an absurd attempt...
Sep 10, 2021, 1:04 PM
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Nail on the head. I know he means well and this decision is likely overall altruistic, but #### if it doesn't open more doors for future bad people who would abuse. Again, I draw comparisons to government actions post-9/11.
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This mandate is CYA political posturing.
Sep 10, 2021, 1:51 PM
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Highly doubtful it will hold up under judicial review, but Biden and Dems can say they tried to save us from ourselves but the anti-science Pubs would rather play politics and cater to their base than help our nation heal and recover instead.
"What did Biden do to help stop Covid?"
"He tried to mandate vaccinations, but of course Republicans sued to stop this assistance so here we are still mired in death and disease."
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I have a hard time following which side you're on***
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Re: I have a hard time following which side you're on***
Sep 10, 2021, 2:12 PM
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He isn't a sheep.
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I live in the Republic of Florida
Sep 10, 2021, 2:33 PM
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where it was like hell yeah we do what we want, screw the Feds and all fun and games until school starts, COVID spikes and DeSantis starts foaming at the mouth about personal choice and putting my kids at risk when the evidence showed that masks really did make a distance between this school year and last.
My district, one of the most conservative in the state, was also one of the first to defy Desantis and require masks in school. As a mom of two younger kids I applaud doing anything to mitigate the risk and keep schools opening (cases were exploding they were closing rapidly in our district).
Sometimes as a leader you have to reverse course and admit you were wrong, I don't see leaders doing this anymore.
Like if you're a republican you're an anti-vaxxer redneck taking horse de wormer and if you're liberal you're supporting Joe even when it's clear he has no sandwiches left, you can't even call it a sandwich short of a picnic.
And freakin Texas starts the abortion #### like we don't have enough going on right now, let's get everyone freaking out over here.
We are so divided no one even knows where they stand.
I'm about to start waving the Don't Tread on Me flag.
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Re: I have a hard time following which side you're on***
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I'm consistently on the side of anti-authoritarianism, pro-Constitutionalist, strong support of checks and balances, regardless of R or D.
It would be nice if we could get presidents on board with this. And much of the population.
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