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All-In [30593]
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Let's try this again....
Oct 27, 2012, 8:27 PM
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Why is it that everytime I ask for you guys opinion on this, you REFUSE to answer. So far, I have asked several times, and all I get are answers to questions that I'm not asking.
I'm not asking what caused the Lybia attack. I'm not asking about the immediate response on the ground. I'm not asking where the President was, or what you think about his advisors.
Facts:
1. The Administration immediately pushed the video story. They didn't just push it... they were ADAMENT about it for 14 days. ADAMENT is an understatement. Everyone, including Sec. of St. Clinton and the President publically pushed this. That is a fact.
2. When asked about Lybia now, the administration says... "We need to gather all the facts and do an investigation before we conclude anything." They also say, "some people are jumping the gun on this when we need to finish the investigation to find out what happened". That is a fact.
So, I will speak slowly this time...
Why do you guys (Liberals) think the admin. pushed the
V-I-D-E-O so hard. Why will no one answer why this story was pushed so hard? Do you think the admin. is trying to have it both ways?
Do you agree or disagree with this assesment...
By talking so much now about "waiting until we get all the facts" about what happened, it is clearly evident that, by adamently pushing the video, the administration was either grossly incompetent, or trying to cover something up and make it go away?
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Re: Let's try this again....
Oct 27, 2012, 8:39 PM
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maybe you should go over wsrtigers house and have some cocktails.
you are not an expert in foreign intelligence, none of us are. There are stacks of documents filling warehouses , stamped classified, that is how our government has always worked, but now you are all of a sudden outraged?
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this isnt hard...
Oct 27, 2012, 8:40 PM
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Do you agree or disagree with that last statement? And why or why not?
Why is it so hard to answer?
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Re: this isnt hard...
Oct 27, 2012, 8:43 PM
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i hate to break it to you chief, but we will never get all the facts, it just kinda works that way. Stop acting like this is a new thing introduced under the Obama administration.
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What happened to "Change"?***
Oct 27, 2012, 8:48 PM
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Do I need to make this multiple choice?
Oct 27, 2012, 8:48 PM
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You have to be freaking kidding me. I am not asking about facts. I am not asking what you think happened.
I gave you facts about what the admin. said. I gave you facts about what they are saying now. All I asked was your thoughts.
Are you capable of providing your own thoughts, and not the Obama talking points?
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Re: Do I need to make this multiple choice?
Oct 27, 2012, 8:50 PM
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I have no fracking idea what happened, i wasn't there.
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I AM NOT ASKING YOU ABOUT THAT
Oct 27, 2012, 8:51 PM
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This is unbelievable...
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Re: I AM NOT ASKING YOU ABOUT THAT
Oct 27, 2012, 8:52 PM
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would you like me to invent a narrative like your buddies on Fox?
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Rock Defender [53]
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Fox is reporting the facts.***
Oct 27, 2012, 11:50 PM
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BS! If you are not curious why Barry will not
Oct 27, 2012, 8:49 PM
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Even have a press conference after such a major event, you sir are a Big Idiot!
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Re: BS! If you are not curious why Barry will not
Oct 27, 2012, 8:50 PM
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he had one the next morning in the rose garden, but I understand that people have a tough time remembering that.
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Rock Defender [53]
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It wasn't a press conference, he read a statement, which BTW
Oct 27, 2012, 11:55 PM
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did not label the Libya even as a "terrorist attack". He was talking 9/11/2001 and violence against America in general. Then on "60 Minutes" he said it might have been more than a riot (no sh!t since there was no riot, not even a protest) but did not call it terrorism then either. Then on the View, Letterman, and at the UN he repeatedly avoided terrorism and further perpetuated the lie about the video.
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Documents filling warehouses???
Oct 27, 2012, 10:27 PM
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So you think we don't have the capabilities for immediate military response. You think if we need immediate military response, our intel just sends messages into a room with thousands of other junk.
That is Obama's explanation and that's all the liberals need right now to comfort their choice for Obama for president. This is much bigger than the election but the Democrats are letting it ruin them.
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I haven't been on here for about 2 hours and I get pulled
Oct 27, 2012, 10:56 PM
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Into the conversation. How about focusing on his question instead of me. I am honored though that you are that enamored with me.
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Re: I haven't been on here for about 2 hours and I get pulled
Oct 27, 2012, 10:58 PM
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it was almost a compliment, york needs to unwind a bit.
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Why can't you answer a simple question?***
Oct 27, 2012, 11:56 PM
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Rock Defender [53]
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Stop evading the question, he's asking for your honest
Oct 27, 2012, 11:49 PM
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opinion. And BTW your response proves the point how stupid it was that they responded the way they did. Because it is an evolving story what they should have done was say "this is an evolving story and we are going to hold judgment until the facts are in", but nooooooooo they immediately blamed it on the video, which they knew was a lie.
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Ok...
Oct 27, 2012, 9:00 PM
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1.) If you look at what they said and who was saying things, they weren't adament about pushing anything. They qualified almost every statement by saying "the intelligence we've been given" or "we are gathering more information but it looks..." That doesn't sound like someone trying to sell one view over another.
2.) They are adament it's a terrorist attack. Look at the difference in statements between now and right after the attack. They are different in structure and force.
If you go back and look at what they were saying, it was a confused message and one that wasn't "optimal" in conveying exactly what happened. Why? You can jump to the conclusion it means they were covering up something, or it could also be they weren't adament it was one thing over the other but wanted to answer the question. Maybe they should have simply said nothing, but that would have been attacked as well.
My question is, did they do anything differently in the aftermath of the attack based on thinking it was caused by a video or a terrorist attack? I haven't seen evidence they did, so what is the controversy?
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thank you
Oct 27, 2012, 9:44 PM
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we obviously view things differently, but I appreciate your answer.
I would argue that they very adamently pushed the video, especially through Susan Rice and Jay Carney.
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They certainly downplayed the terror aspect while playing up
Oct 27, 2012, 10:11 PM
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the video for some time. That much is without question.
If Obama and crew truly thought it was a terror attack from the get go, and if that was truly the message Obama meant to convey in the Rose Garden as he claimed, then they were knowingly deceptive in playing up the anti-Islam video aspect in the following days and weeks.
If they weren't knowingly deceptive during that time, and they either really didn't have any idea or really did think it was due to the video, then the prez flat out lied in the debate when he claimed he did refer to it in the Rose Garden as a terror attack.
It's one or the other, and there was some intentional, calculated lying going on either way.
To me it's pretty clear that they knew it was a terrorist attack from the get go, and the Rose Garden talk was carefully worded so as not to rule out any possibility until it could be determined how to spin it. Soon thereafter, the decision was made to suck up to the Muslim world, downplay the terror aspect, and play up the video. Then the administration tried to have it both ways, depending on the situation.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Point. Spot on. They made a conscious decision to lie and
Oct 28, 2012, 12:12 AM
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cover this up expecting the media to cover them, which they have.
They thought ... best case, they'd get through the election and by then people would forget, or worst case, get through the election, then deal with it, but create enough lies and confusion in needed along the way to cloud the situation enough to cover their rears.
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Rock Defender [53]
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As did Obama on the View, Letterman, and at the UN.***
Oct 28, 2012, 12:06 AM
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Rock Defender [53]
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They all watched it happen live. They knew there was no
Oct 28, 2012, 12:05 AM
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protest. They knew it was not spontaneous. They knew we had guys on the ground providing laser guided targets and providing additional intel. The state dept has, under oath, admitted they knew it was a planned organized terrorist attack while it was happening. There were attacks in the days and weeks leading up to 9/11 which is why other countries pulled their people out and why our ambassador was begging for more security. And we know the people on the ground could have been helped, but were not.
You can spin this any way you want, but we have more than enough FACTS to know ...
1. This could have been prevented.
2. There was no protest or riot.
3. This was not spontaneous, but planned & organized.
4. They lied and tried to cover it up.
5. Our people begged for help and were hung out to dry.
6. The WH & Obama are lying and the MSM is complicit in the cover up.
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They just want to move "Forward" ****
Oct 27, 2012, 9:08 PM
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they won't answer because the answer isn't a good one
Oct 27, 2012, 9:51 PM
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for them
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why is the guy who made the movie in jail without bond?***
Oct 27, 2012, 10:23 PM
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Re: why is the guy who made the movie in jail without bond?***
Oct 27, 2012, 10:25 PM
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he violated his probation from a prior charge, he was not allowed to use the internet for a few years after some sort of fraud charge, don't remember the details.
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B/c our secretary of state, Hillary Clinton
Oct 27, 2012, 10:31 PM
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swore over Ty Woods' coffin that they would catch and imprison those that were responsible for the video. Of course, now he's just in jail for tax evasion or something, nothing to do with Clinton's motives of imprisoning the guy and framing him for a terrorist attack.
#scapegoat
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Why was our embassy in Cairo attacked?
Oct 27, 2012, 10:37 PM
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Or in Yemen? Or in Chennai? Or Tunisia? or the others across Middle East, Africa, Pakistan and Afghanistan?
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Because they are radical Muslims who hate America
Oct 27, 2012, 10:40 PM
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they don't need a video for a reason... c'mon man, you know that.
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Agreed, but you see the point?
Oct 27, 2012, 10:51 PM
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You can see how intelligence would be confused when all of these protests are occurring around the same time period as the libya attack? There was a man interviewed at the scene of the libya attack that claimed the attack was because of the video, british intelligence thought it was in response to killing an al qaeda #2, and others simply thought it was a pre-planned attack on the embassy. They used the cover of the other embassy attacks (cairo) to launch their attack.
Maybe we did want to apologize to the Muslim world for the tape, as one poster suggested, but I still don't see how our response was any different than if everyone said it's a terrorist attack. To me, it doesn't matter what we said was the cause for a week after the attack, as long as we went after the sonofabitches who carried it out. It seems like we are doing that.
I'm fine with asking questions about security and funding before the attack at all our embassays. That doesn't seem to be a politicized question like this stuff with the semantic battle over tapegate.
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I am in agreement with you about the security and immediate
Oct 27, 2012, 11:04 PM
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response. I'm not sure anything could have been done differently, unless an investigation shows that. I give them the benefit of the doubt b/c you just don'e know what you're dealing with.
However, my point is I don't understand their insistence on the video. I agree that it would normally not be an issue...
but the way they went after that so hard, only to now have this "gather all the facts" rhetoric is a little odd.
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I just don't see the controversy.
Oct 27, 2012, 11:12 PM
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If they weren't going after those responsible for the attack and just apologized for the video I can see the problem. But none of that happened. Obama called it an act of terror and treated it as such from the get go. They may not have literally said "this is terrorism" but it seems in most other regards they treated as such.
It could be because the other embassays were protested/vandalized because of the video that they were trying to lump in the messaging to fit all of the different attacks. I don't know.
I guess I just don't see the controversy with the timing of when they explicitly called it an "terrorism" vs "video."
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Wow!! You are clueless. It's not just Fox. CNN, some Dems,
Oct 28, 2012, 12:43 AM
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and people like Jake Tapper and Chuck Todd see this is serious. What reality are you living in? This was gross incompetence followed by lies & deceit.
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I disagree. There was an attack weeks earlier, Libya was
Oct 28, 2012, 12:40 AM
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a growing dangerous mess and other countries pulled their people out. This was the anniversary of 9/11. The ambassador had been begging for additional security for weeks. They actually had more security but pulled it out. This was completely preventable. We could have pulled our people out or use common sense and be ready for anything on 9/11. But we were caught totally by surprise then watched it unfold live and did nothing.
Even more unbelievable, with riots in 30+ countries on the anniversary of 9/11 why was POTUS campaigning? Why wasn't he honoring the victims of 9/11 and being on alert when we know things are already about to explode?
This is total incompetence and BS from the jump!! Made worse by lies, distortion, and a cover up.
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No, there was no confusion, they watched this live in the
Oct 28, 2012, 12:32 AM
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situation room and had CIA agents on the scene giving them live real time intel.
I love how you throw in the funding distraction and distortion. That myth has been debunked.
Why did we ignore the requests for more security for weeks? There was no funding shortage. That's BS!
Who told Carney & Rice to lie if, as Obama says, he called it terrorism? They don't say jack without being told what to say.
Why did Obama himself keep perpetuating the video lies?
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Yet the Obama admin is helping Hollywood create a feature
Oct 28, 2012, 12:26 AM
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film givin Obama the credit for getting Bin Laden. If they thought a Youtube video no one saw created over 30 riots, what do they think a White House produced movie will do? Idiots!!
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Rock Defender [53]
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It was the anniversary of 9/11 and we have been weak and
Oct 28, 2012, 12:21 AM
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apologetic in many ways towards muslims. And we allowed leaders friendly to the west to be over thrown when we knew the only viable alternative would be the muslim brotherhood or other muslim extremists, yet we encouraged that change anyway. And Obama was finally convinced by Clinton to take out Bin Laden, then he decided to politicize it and spike the football, thus pissin off the arabs.
Never under Bush were there multiple riots and attacks like this. Obama's foreign policy has been erratic, inconsistent, and in general weak.
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Re: That was not an answer, that is the excuse they used to
Oct 28, 2012, 12:36 AM
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There is no excuse for what has happened here. All of you making up excuses for the president and those who could've done something to prevent this massacre by the same enemy that attacked us on 9-11-2011 are in total denial. It's a disgrace and national tragedy!!! This is sickening and I can't believe all these excuses that are being made for letting our people be massacred when a lot could have been done to prevent it before and during the attack. Since the first 9-11, we've fought back!!! Why not now? I spent nearly 36 years in service and I know better than the pack of lies being fed to us about this tragedy by the Obama administration!!! There are many others that do too! I'm extremely angry!! God help us all if this man is re-elected.
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Point.***
Oct 28, 2012, 12:45 AM
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