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Let's see where you stand: For or Against going to the B12

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May 21, 2012, 1:15 PM

I'll start: For

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May 21, 2012, 1:16 PM



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I'm for whatever is best for Clemson

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May 21, 2012, 1:20 PM

I'll be honest: I want Clemson in the SEC. That's not going to happen.

So, after that, I would like the ACC to stay intact-- with FSU and Clemson. It makes way more sense than going to the Big 12.

However, if it looks like the ACC is going to crumble and FSU, UNC, Va Tech, etc. look elsewhere, then I hope Clemson is proactive and gets out to a more stable situaton.

The last thing I want is to be stuck in an 8-team ACC without Va Tech, UNC, FSU, and whoever else. That would be really, really bad.

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Re: Let's see where you stand: For or Against going to the B12

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May 21, 2012, 1:16 PM

For.

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For leaving ACC...***

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May 21, 2012, 1:17 PM



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May 21, 2012, 1:17 PM



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Four

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May 21, 2012, 1:17 PM

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Clemson


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May 21, 2012, 1:51 PM



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May 21, 2012, 2:40 PM



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ACC leadership (lack thereof) has made it pretty simple...

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May 21, 2012, 1:18 PM

Let's get the heck out of this dying conference.

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i'll be in atlanta on 9/1 cheering for clemson against


May 21, 2012, 1:20 PM

that riff raff from awbarn.

if they put big12ish on the field along with sec, that's fine.

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Re: Let's see where you stand: For or Against going to the B12

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May 21, 2012, 1:20 PM

Reluctantly for. Bear Bryant said it best: "A chemistry experiment won't bring in 80,000 people." As much as I like the academic tradition of the ACC, the reality is it's no longer viable from a $$$/BCS standpoint if we want to think about a football NC.

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Pt. for quoting the Bear***


May 21, 2012, 1:21 PM



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now now, the world stood still when 2 science

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May 21, 2012, 1:23 PM

experiments exploded above japan.

just sayin.

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That was pre-Swofford though...***

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May 21, 2012, 1:29 PM



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:-) seriously, what must be going thru his mind with all

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May 21, 2012, 1:38 PM

of this 'turmoil'? i know we like to throw barbs at him, it's good sport, but he's got to be churning inside at the possibilities?

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He doesn't have time to worry...He's sending Chad's resume

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May 21, 2012, 1:48 PM

out to schools in other conferences...

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father knows best...***


May 21, 2012, 1:49 PM



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Hey...that Chads a cat...He's gonna land on his feet...***


May 21, 2012, 1:53 PM



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All laughing aside...I imagine its a lot like the scene in


May 21, 2012, 1:52 PM

Bad LT when Keitel shoots the car radio after losing a bet he doubled down on...Or at least I hope its like that...

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Against. ******

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May 21, 2012, 1:20 PM



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For, as long as UNC comes, too.


May 21, 2012, 1:22 PM

Don't want to lose that rivalry.

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For as long as Duke, Unc, Uva, are required to stay in the

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May 21, 2012, 1:26 PM

ACC

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May 21, 2012, 1:23 PM

for, four,fore

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For!

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May 21, 2012, 1:23 PM

nm

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Emphatically for.**

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May 21, 2012, 1:24 PM

nm

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For.***

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May 21, 2012, 1:24 PM



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Re: Let's see where you stand: For or Against going to the B12


May 21, 2012, 1:26 PM

doesn't matter. it isn't happening.

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and the door won't hit me in the @$$ as i leave

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May 21, 2012, 1:26 PM

ok,for.

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Re: Let's see where you stand: For or Against going to the B12

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May 21, 2012, 1:27 PM

FOR IT ALL THE WAY!

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I am Against, Undecided, Leaning For, and Strongly For

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May 21, 2012, 1:27 PM

I am against going to the Big 12 alone;
I am undecided about going to the Big 12 only with FSU;
I am leaning for going to the Big 12 with FSU and Ga Tech;
I am strongly for going to the Big 12 with FSU, Ga Tech and at least one other school (Va Tech and/or Miami).

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Re: I am Against, Undecided, Leaning For, and Strongly For


May 21, 2012, 1:30 PM

^^^^AGREE^^^^^

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Ditto***


May 21, 2012, 1:47 PM



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May 21, 2012, 1:29 PM



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Re: Let's see where you stand: For or Against going to the B12

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May 21, 2012, 1:31 PM

As a long time member of IPTAY, and graduate of CU it is hard for me to see how it would make a run at another National Championship easier. If money could buy a NC, then ND should be winning it every year. We should not be making our opinions based on esecpn's opinion of the ACC. We need to take care of business on the field and everything else will work out. If the move is made, don't look for another NC or even conference championship in your lifetime.

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Wow. Like the confidence.

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May 21, 2012, 2:02 PM

What you are failing to realize is that our ability to recruit is largely driven by our TV contract and that the chances for championships hinges greatly on whether or not we are going to be in one of the four superconfernces. If the ACC is left in the dust it will be the equivilant of trying to win the SoCon championship.

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May 21, 2012, 1:33 PM



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after much thought...Im For....Lets GO!***

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May 21, 2012, 1:34 PM



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May 21, 2012, 1:36 PM

+1

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Get away from Swofford and Tobacco road? FOR.***

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May 21, 2012, 1:36 PM



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There's something in these hills.


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May 21, 2012, 1:37 PM



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May 21, 2012, 1:38 PM

FOUR !!!!!

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Re: Let's see where you stand: For or Against going to the B12

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May 21, 2012, 1:38 PM

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May 21, 2012, 1:38 PM

For

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For ... IF FSU is going as well and it' part of a Big12 move

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May 21, 2012, 1:39 PM

to create a 14 team super conference with east/west divisions.

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You sunk my battleship***


May 21, 2012, 1:40 PM



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It's kind of like being in a prison shower...


May 21, 2012, 1:42 PM

you know either way it's not going to be ideal, but atleast the Big 12 would be able to offer us more protection in the yard.

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Against...its stupid.

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May 21, 2012, 1:43 PM

OU National Champion winner
UT National Champion Winner
TCU National Champion Winner

Maryland National Champion Winner
Ga Tech National Champion Winner
Pitt National Champion Winner
Syracuse National Champion Winner
Clemson National Champion Winner
Miami National Champion Winner
FSU National Champion Winner

Duke Football > Kansas Football
Wake Forest Football > Baylor Football
UVA Football > Texas Tech football
NCSU Football > Okie State Football
UNC Football > WVa Football
Va. Tech > everyone in their conference not named OU or UT
Iowa State? Really, do I even need to name a program in the ACC ahead of them?

-If it really is all about TV markets, there is NO conference with more eyes to watch the product than the ACC.
-Based on the above, there is ZERO way a conference with Va Tech, Miami, FSU, Clemson, and ALL the east coast gets left out
-Again based on the above, had Miami, FSU, Clemson, among others not had subpar decades, the ACC would have again been the MOST LUCRATIVE conference.
-Miami was down in the '90s and supposedly finished...they will be back.
-Money may be different NOW, but with $20mm buyout, it can't be much.
-Where does Clemson get the Buyout money?
-Nebraska...one of the Top 5 College Football programs OF ALL TIME left after 70 years of being a part of this group because of Texas. Let THAT one sink in. NEBRASKA.
-Once one steps away from the ledge, you see that the ACC may not be the most football oriented, but it's jsut as much football oriented as the Big 12...
-How long does one really think a 4 team playoff lasts before its an 8 team one?
-If money is indeed the reason and differentiator among teams, please explain University of Texas the last few years and Boise State? TCU pre big 12 invite? Miami during their Independent and Big East days? Notre Dame currently down?

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Re: Against...its stupid.


May 21, 2012, 1:54 PM

finally, a man with some sense. the acc's powers (FSU, miami) may currently be down, but when they are back to join clemson and va tech, the conference will be relevant again. add in notre dame, and heck, they might still suck for awhile, but people will be watching. GO TIGERS!

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May 21, 2012, 1:55 PM



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Re: Against...its stupid.

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May 21, 2012, 1:55 PM

You're living in fantasyland. How's the weather? VT is as good as gone. FSU, gone. The ACC is dead.

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FSU talks a big game for one that is freaking out over...

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May 21, 2012, 2:06 PM

Their loss of $2.5mm last year. So where the #### are they gonna get $20mm to get out?

So they have not been good steward's of their money, and now they are blaming it on everyone else?

FSU hates UNC and their running of the conference?
-NEBRASKA left the conference they helped found! Nebraska has WAYYYYY more tradition of football success than FSU has ever dreamed of. Nebraska left because of Texas.

However, nice slamming me with your witty fantasyland comment based on my differeing opinion of yours on a post that was asking for differing opinions.

And as the old quote goes, "Reports of the ACC's death were greatly exagerated..."

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Nebraska didn't leave because of Texas.

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May 21, 2012, 2:36 PM

Nebraska left because the Big 10 offered them a much more lucrative compensation package.




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The problem with your stance is by the time this happens

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May 21, 2012, 4:03 PM

deals will be inked on what happened now, not in the future.

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Are you employed by the ACC?

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May 21, 2012, 1:59 PM

Duke football better than Kansas? UNC better than WVU?

Please stop.

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Dude ...are you serious !?!?!?! Really !?!?!?!

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May 21, 2012, 2:05 PM

Duke Football > Kansas Football
Wake Forest Football > Baylor Football
UVA Football > Texas Tech football
NCSU Football > Okie State Football
UNC Football > WVa Football

Just in the last five years, Kansas has a combined record of 30-32 compared to Duke's record of 16-44

Wake has a combined record of 28-32 compared ot Baylor's record of 28-34

UVA has a combined reocrd of 29-33 compared to Texas Tech's record of 42-22

NC State has a combined record of 33-30 compared to OSU's record of 48-17

UNC has a combined record of 35-29 compared to WVU's record of 48-17.

Clemson was 41-26 over that same period.




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Credit to you for going back more than last just last year..


May 21, 2012, 2:13 PM

Like most folks are thinking. My comparisons are based on 10-20 or so years...

figure 10 years and Wake gets to take advantage of the 2006 season as Baylor gets to take advantage of this past RG3 season

UVA would get some of the early 2000's years...Texas Tech is actually a pretty close comparison, but yields to UVA.

OSU has a LOOOOONG history of a couple of winning years followed by crap (look at the ten years post Barry Sanders). Gundy looks to be pretty doggone good...but we will see what happens this year with Blackmon and QB gone. NC State going back to the earlier 2000's would have the big seasons of Philip Rivers.

WVa has been a consistent performer, but UNC does best them when looking back at 10 years plus.

Again, kudos for not looking at last year like so many, but I differ based on a longer snapshot.

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Let's look at all-time winning percentages then

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May 21, 2012, 2:23 PM

Duke (.485) - Kansas (.501)

Wake (.411) - Raylor (.500)

Virginia (.529) - Texas Tech (.561)

NC State (.507) - Oklahoma State (.504)

UNC (.560) - West Virginia (.601)

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pretty even if you ask me. I'd rather travel to NC


May 21, 2012, 2:43 PM

and Virginia to watch .500 football than to Kansas or Texas.

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You'll still be able to do that....

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May 21, 2012, 2:48 PM

(travel to NC and Virginia to watch .500 football), you just won't be able to see Clemson play them unless it's a rare OOC game.




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Re: Let's look at all-time winning percentages then

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May 21, 2012, 4:24 PM

and texas at 858-333-34 ,oklahoma at 819-310-53 are more wins than 'bama and tenn,the 2 winningest programs in the sec.i kind of like going to games against teams like that,how 'bout y'all. to see that there would be big time football coming to the valley as regularly scheduled games is priceless.

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excellent post.***


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Re: FOR****

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Match FSU's play. If we go together: For.***


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May 21, 2012, 2:00 PM

only if FSU goes

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nay! SEC is better fit!***


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You do realize the $EC is NOT an option for Clemson***

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Let's escape mediocrity--Warp Speed Ahead!

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May 21, 2012, 2:05 PM

Go Tigers!

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We could do that without joining the Big 12(10). Just win.***


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Assuming the expected, fjord.***

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for it if FSU and Ga Tech come with us and the $$ is right***


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For. What are we wating on?***

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For!!!!!!***

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absolutely FOR***********

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May 21, 2012, 2:31 PM

For!!!!!

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Against but better to move than be left out***


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Against, unless more teams than just FSU bolt.***


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So far about 87% of the responses have been FOR

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May 21, 2012, 2:42 PM

Interesting

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probably about the same percentage that are under age 25


May 21, 2012, 2:47 PM

and have no memory of college football or Clemson football pre-Bowden.

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I disagree 100%. I was at the Orange Bowl in '81 & I'm For

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May 21, 2012, 2:53 PM

I think those of us that have witnessed years of ACC football know it's never going to take the next step.

When was the last time UNC, UVA, NC State, Wake, Duke, Maryland were consistently nationally relevant?

We've got to take a step up if Clemson is going to compete consistently at the top.

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key word***


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key word " we've" got to step up. Meaning Clemson.


May 21, 2012, 4:09 PM

who cares what the rest of the conference did or didn't do. If Clemson were playing at the level we were playing in the 80's, nobody would be leaving the ACC out of the equation. The only reason the ACC is getting left out, is because we are all sucking at this point.

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For***

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May 21, 2012, 3:48 PM

For it or the SEC for 30 years...hate this NC conference...

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For, and ten years from now...

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May 21, 2012, 3:57 PM

We'll be praising Jesus that we did it.

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Why didn't you post a survey?***


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For

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May 21, 2012, 4:12 PM

Don't care I'm a Clemson fan, conference don't matter.

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