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Let’s play pretend for a second.

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Jan 27, 2023, 9:54 PM

Let’s pretend that all cops are racist crooks with the only objective each day is to try to arrest/ beat and murder as many black males on the street as possible. Let’s pretend you are a black family and you know for a fact that if you or any other black male in your family happens to have encounter with the police or will almost definitely end in tragedy should you act up/resist even in the slightest.
Why would you risk your own life, knowing that if these cops are truly racist and are just looking for reasons to kill black males? Why provoke? Why in the hell would you not just comply, quit fighting and settle it in court should you really feel that you are innocent? Why aren’t these African American’s parents/ relatives telling these individuals to do the sensible and the safe thing to just cooperate?

Almost every single video that I’ve seen of these cop killings with the exception of very few that was truly a hate crimes, the suspect is struggling, twisting, fighting or running. When all you have to do is shut up, listen to directions and request that you have legal representation before you answer questions.

I can almost promise you, that if you do these things and cooperate, you will walk away with your life 98% of the time and that goes for ALL races!
I taught my kid that from an early age, the same as I was.

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Re: Let’s play pretend for a second.

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Jan 27, 2023, 10:01 PM

probably drunk or high, since he was chased for reckless driving

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Re: Let’s play pretend for a second.

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Jan 27, 2023, 10:12 PM


probably drunk or high, since he was chased for reckless driving


Then he wasn’t innocent, car chase, drugs, Alcohol at high speeds that put actual innocent lives at risk. Still could have complied.

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Re: Let’s play pretend for a second.


Jan 27, 2023, 10:14 PM

Why aren't cops issued those web thingys that Spiderman uses to wrap up criminals so they can't move?

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it's inhumane


Jan 27, 2023, 10:23 PM



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Re: it's inhumane


Jan 27, 2023, 10:53 PM

fluffhead said:



Or we could have people quit committing crimes and have parent do a better job at raising their kids and informing them of the consequences of they make poor choices.

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Re: it's inhumane


Jan 27, 2023, 10:53 PM [ in reply to it's inhumane ]

fluffhead said:



Or we could have people quit committing crimes and have parent do a better job at raising their kids and informing them of the consequences of they make poor choices.

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Re: it's inhumane


Jan 28, 2023, 1:39 PM

Or we could have cops not kill people for traffic violations. Call me crazy.

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Re: Let’s play pretend for a second.


Jan 27, 2023, 10:19 PM



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Re: Let’s play pretend for a second.

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Jan 27, 2023, 10:46 PM

cac2011® said:



If you are making an attempt to argue for justice by trying to compare apples to oranges you lose 100% of the time. The flag you displayed is symbolic for standing up for your rights and to defend them when provoked.
It says nothing about getting high on God knows what, driving 130 mph through towns and cities after downing
A half a bottle of jack daniels and then pretend you did nothing wrong when law enforcement pulls you over.
That was a #### poor example on your part.

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I see you're still in imaginationland


Jan 28, 2023, 7:10 AM

If you think cops only ever harass people who down half a bottle of jack, get high, and drive 130 mph.

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You have a point.


Jan 28, 2023, 9:05 AM

Some bent people are attracted to policing, and some are bent by the experience.

And the law allows some infringements it shouldn't.

But the problem wonn't be solved by riots, training, quotas, or new laws.

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Re: I see you're still in imaginationland


Jan 28, 2023, 11:29 AM [ in reply to I see you're still in imaginationland ]

cac2011® said:

If you think cops only ever harass people who down half a bottle of jack, get high, and drive 130 mph.


Do you still think that fighting and provoking a bad situation is the smart thing to do? You aren’t helping the issue. You are smarter than that.

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Re: Let’s play pretend for a second.

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Jan 27, 2023, 10:25 PM

Yes! That is a common sense take, but seeing as how at least 50% of the people have no common sense, it will not resonate with everyone.

I'd like to see a professionally edited start-to-finish video from all cameras of the sequence. Without that, we are all reacting to incomplete information and are subject to group think more than anything else.

If everyone is saying how horrific this is, what happens? Everyone repeats it for fear of being seen as whatever, not being in synch with the group.

But it takes guts to stand up and say 'wait a minute' let's look closer, let's think about this end-to-end and put ourselves in the position of these police officers.

But, no, that is too much to ask of these pathetic virtue signaling, 140-character mindset liberals.

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Yes…

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Jan 27, 2023, 10:42 PM

Just capitulate. The system will protect you. Please. Citizen…comply…the system will protect you.

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Re: Let’s play pretend for a second.

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Jan 27, 2023, 10:53 PM [ in reply to Re: Let’s play pretend for a second. ]

Yes… always better to comply…but unless someone has a weapon or has committed a violent act, there is no amount of simply resisting arrest that should result in a person’s death. At some point, common sense and restraint has to come into play on the other side of the equation as well.

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Re: Let’s play pretend for a second.

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Jan 28, 2023, 12:17 AM [ in reply to Re: Let’s play pretend for a second. ]

This is ridiculous
What would justify beating him up until he is dead? There IS NO law that could justify this. It matters not if he just sold 100 kilos of crack, or was driving recklessly, resisted/ hit a cop, or said something about somebodies mama. It still wouldn’t give license to whoop Tyre’s a$$ this way. You and many like you seem to misunderstand police powers. They have powers to arrest you if you break an arrestable crime. They have powers to kill if they feel the person is dangerous (weapons and such)

I’ll repeat : AT NO TIME DO POLICE HAVE POWERS TO BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF CITIZENS!

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Re: Let’s play pretend for a second.


Jan 28, 2023, 12:38 AM

No one is justifying it. Everyone is just saying that you seen time and time again what will happen when you fight, struggle and run/evade police. IT DOES NOT END WELL! EVER! Innocent or guilty, right or wrong, the outcome is almost ALWAYS the same!
Be smart and save your own life.

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Re: Let’s play pretend for a second.

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Jan 28, 2023, 12:48 AM

My reply was to NC’s line about seeing more and what happened before… so yeah he was kinda defending it, as if there was possibly some defense.

Anytime these things happen I’m talking about police reform. They are the Public servants, they are the ones we all pay to keep us safe.

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Re: Let’s play pretend for a second.***


Jan 27, 2023, 10:40 PM



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Because most policing is just a state sanctioned oppression


Jan 27, 2023, 11:56 PM

y’all want to just beat us down and kill us.

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Re: Because most policing is just a state sanctioned oppression


Jan 28, 2023, 12:07 AM


y’all want to just beat us down and kill us.


Still didn’t answer the question. If you know nothing hood will come out of it, why not settle it in a courtroom? It’s easier to support a narrative when nearly all of the video footage DOESN’T have the suspect fighting, running and doing everything except what people that are pointing guns, taser and whatnot tell ask you to do. And who is “Y’all”?

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Re: Because most policing is just a state sanctioned oppression


Jan 28, 2023, 12:16 AM

Why not settle in the courtroom?

Because in the moment I just want to survive an experience that I am conditioned to flee from, because there is a high likelihood I don’t survive the encounter so a courtroom would be irrelevant.

“Y’all” is any LEO or LEO relative who thinks they know what is going through the kind of someone being accosted by the police. I just assumed that was you.

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Re: Because most policing is just a state sanctioned oppression


Jan 28, 2023, 12:21 AM


Why not settle in the courtroom?

Because in the moment I just want to survive an experience that I am conditioned to flee from, because there is a high likelihood I don’t survive the encounter so a courtroom would be irrelevant.

“Y’all” is any LEO or LEO relative who thinks they know what is going through the kind of someone being accosted by the police. I just assumed that was you.


Chances of walking away with your life in a courtroom (100%).

Chances of walking away from a heated altercation with police ( probably less that 30%).

It isn’t that hard bro!

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A citizen is almost always wrong to resist arrest or

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Jan 28, 2023, 12:09 AM

physically struggle with or run from police. It almost always unnecessarily escalates the situation and puts everyone in unnecessary danger. When they tell you to turn around and put your hands behind you back, do it. When they grab your wrists to put the cuffs on, don't try to twist away. Cooperate. If you don't like it, if you feel the cops are wrong, even if they are wrong, swallow your pride and save that fight for court, because you won't win the one with the cops on the street. Not only will you not win, but somebody may get hurt if you run or resist.

That doesn't mean that if you do resist, that cops have the right to kill you. Cops only have the right to use adequate force required to secure the arrest.

Come on, people, use common sense and quit excusing bad behavior. Don't do bad stuff, cooperate with and don't resist the cops, and cops, for God's sake don't abuse your power and brutalize citizens and suspects. ALL of that should be the expectation, and let's quit making excuses for not doing ALL of that.

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Re: A citizen is almost always wrong to resist arrest or

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Jan 28, 2023, 12:11 AM


physically struggle with or run from police. It almost always unnecessarily escalates the situation and puts everyone in unnecessary danger. When they tell you to turn around and put your hands behind you back, do it. When they grab your wrists to put the cuffs on, don't try to twist away. Cooperate. If you don't like it, if you feel the cops are wrong, even if they are wrong, swallow your pride and save that fight for court, because you won't win the one with the cops on the street. Not only will you not win, but somebody may get hurt if you run or resist.

That doesn't mean that if you do resist, that cops have the right to kill you. Cops only have the right to use adequate force required to secure the arrest.

Come on, people, use common sense and quit excusing bad behavior. Don't do bad stuff, cooperate with and don't resist the cops, and cops, for God's sake don't abuse your power and brutalize citizens and suspects. ALL of that should be the expectation, and let's quit making excuses for not doing ALL of that.


100% correct sir!

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Yeah, that’s ########


Jan 28, 2023, 12:20 AM [ in reply to A citizen is almost always wrong to resist arrest or ]

You do have rights. You don’t always have to comply. That’s a fallacy and anyone who loves freedom should never submit to this kind of oppressive mindset!

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Who said you don't have rights? Where did you come up

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Jan 28, 2023, 12:23 AM

with that?

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I said it because it is true


Jan 28, 2023, 12:30 AM

you don’t need to swallow your pride for some policeman’s decision to go hard.

Never!

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Re: I said it because it is true

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Jan 28, 2023, 12:33 AM


you don’t need to swallow your pride for some policeman’s decision to go hard.

Never!


Responses like this is the exact reason people end up dead! I hope you aren’t telling your kids to do the same.

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It’s also the reason why we end up


Jan 28, 2023, 12:36 AM

in a repressive police state where you become a statistic.

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Re: It’s also the reason why we end up

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Jan 28, 2023, 12:40 AM


in a repressive police state where you become a statistic.


You become a statistic by making a bad situation worse!

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Usually you become a statistic because some overzealous LEO


Jan 28, 2023, 12:45 AM

decides to make you a statistic.

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You swallow your pride for your own good. And by swallowing

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Jan 5, 2014, 10:14 AM [ in reply to I said it because it is true ]

your pride, I'm not talking about giving up your rights.

To be clear, my whole premise is based on the assumption that the cop is making a legal, reaosnable request. A cop can be a totall azzhole, but make a legal, reasonable request, in which case you should comply. You not liking it does not mean it's not legal or reasonable. On the other hand, a cop may be very nice but make a request you don't have to comply with, like "can I come in and search your house?" (without a warrant when no crime has been commited).

Just be smart. Don't automatically resist or get an attitude, even if the cop is an ###. Let him be a d!ck, then go home and sleep all cozy in your own bed. Don't assume that all cops are bad and just agents of an oppressive government that is hellbent on trampling over your rights and busting your head (because the vast majority are not). That's all.

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Re: Yeah, that’s ########

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Jan 28, 2023, 12:29 AM [ in reply to Yeah, that’s ######## ]


You do have rights. You don’t always have to comply. That’s a fallacy and anyone who loves freedom should never submit to this kind of oppressive mindset!


Of course you have rights. I do believe and love freedom, but honestly what do you think will happen if you don’t cooperate? Come on man, we’ve seen it time and time again what happens! We know how it turns out. Is it always right? No! Is it always wrong, no!
I think it is safe to say that if we want to live and to fight oppression, then cooperate! You can fight opresiikn if you are dead!

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All I can say is that we do have 4A rights

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Jan 28, 2023, 12:42 AM

and most people are ignorant and just comply, most often to their own detriment.

The main point is that you don’t always have to comply with police. The moment we do have to comply unconditionally, is the moment we are no longer free.

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Re: All I can say is that we do have 4A rights

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Jan 28, 2023, 1:13 AM


and most people are ignorant and just comply, most often to their own detriment.

The main point is that you don’t always have to comply with police. The moment we do have to comply unconditionally, is the moment we are no longer free.


Those ignorant people that you speak of that do comply almost always returns back home to their families or they are processed to go to jail.
With a near 100% survival encounter, I’d say they aren’t that ignorant!

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Look, stop this. Nobody is saying that we should comply with

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Jan 28, 2023, 1:23 AM [ in reply to All I can say is that we do have 4A rights ]

anything and everything a policeman may request or demand. NOBODY. So stop arguing as if that is the case.

If a cop pulls you over, asks you to step out of the car and drop your pants, then no, you should not comply. NOBODY is saying that.

If a cop pulls you over, and asks for your driver's license, you should comply. See the difference?

If you don't have a license, and the cop asks you to step out of the car, you should comply.

If the cop runs the tag and the car comes back as stolen, and then he asks you to turn around and put your hands behind your back, you should comply. If the car is not stolen, if there is some kind of mistake, don't resist and fight with the police then and there; that's stupid. Go downtown and prove it.

If you can't give that basic level of cooperation, then YOU have a major attitude or psychological problem. That's all anybody is talking about here, yet that's where a lot of people go nuts and start fighting or resisting.

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Jan 28, 2023, 12:40 AM [ in reply to A citizen is almost always wrong to resist arrest or ]

While I agree with what you said.things aren’t always that simple.
The other side is being innocent (presumed) and someone putting hands on you. We all know calm individuals and we all know hot headed individuals and everyone between. So it’s not hard to understand that some people don’t want to “just comply”
Picture yourself walking down the street minding your own business and a cop approaches you and grabs your arm, while(maybe) quickly saying some crime you just did, and you didn’t. What would be your reaction ? What if a cop open your door and grabbed you your throat to rip you out of your car, what would be your reaction? Most people would pull away,, or swat hands away ….factor that with fear for your life

Most PD have instituted deescalation training to bring the temp down. These cops and many cop turn the temp up high.

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Re: A citizen is almost always wrong to resist arrest or

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Jan 28, 2023, 12:56 AM


While I agree with what you said.things aren’t always that simple.
The other side is being innocent (presumed) and someone putting hands on you. We all know calm individuals and we all know hot headed individuals and everyone between. So it’s not hard to understand that some people don’t want to “just comply”
Picture yourself walking down the street minding your own business and a cop approaches you and grabs your arm, while(maybe) quickly saying some crime you just did, and you didn’t. What would be your reaction ? What if a cop open your door and grabbed you your throat to rip you out of your car, what would be your reaction? Most people would pull away,, or swat hands away ….factor that with fear for your life

Most PD have instituted deescalation training to bring the temp down. These cops and many cop turn the temp up high.


I can agree where you would initially resist if you were innocent/ minding your own business and you was grabbed out of no where and thrown to the ground. Let’s be honest though, how many times in all of these cases and videos where we’ve seen police shout at the suspect to stop, get on the ground and put your hands behind your back first, then apprehend after?

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Re: A citizen is almost always wrong to resist arrest or

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Jan 28, 2023, 1:11 AM

This conversation is based on the Tyre case. This is why I used these examples.
Now let’s continue after that initial approach and resisting. That results in getting punched and more orders, which results in you covering your face instead of putting your hands behind your back. That results in pepper spray and kicks or tazer. While some person on a chat board says “ why didn’t he just do what they said”

Again these things aren’t always so simple

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Re: A citizen is almost always wrong to resist arrest or

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Jan 28, 2023, 1:23 AM


This conversation is based on the Tyre case. This is why I used these examples.
Now let’s continue after that initial approach and resisting. That results in getting punched and more orders, which results in you covering your face instead of putting your hands behind your back. That results in pepper spray and kicks or tazer. While some person on a chat board says “ why didn’t he just do what they said”

Again these things aren’t always so simple


Key words, after the approach and then resisting. Which resulted in pinch, spray, and kicking. What would have happened if you removed the resisting part? I believe the story would have been different. Just my thought.

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Here's the thing ... the bottom line in the Tyre Nichols

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Jan 28, 2023, 1:40 AM

case is that regardless of how Nichols responded initially, the cops used excessive force and killed him. That's the most important thing, and we can't fall into the trap of minimizing that or in some way justifying it (I know that's not what you are doing) because of what may have led up to it.

Having said that, it may be true that it never would have happened had he not resisted - we will never know. If he did trigger the whole thing by resisting, it still in no way justifies his beating and killing.

That doesn't change the fact that physically resisting or fighting with cops is usually a very bad idea, and will likely lead to a bad outcome for the person resisting.

Again, the whole point is, we can and should expect both: Citizens should comply with all reasonable, legal requests by police, and police must respect the rights of citizens and not abuse their power. Somehow, we are at a place where so many people are acting like it must be one or the other, and we are being divided along those lines.

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Re: A citizen is almost always wrong to resist arrest or


Jan 28, 2023, 2:00 AM [ in reply to Re: A citizen is almost always wrong to resist arrest or ]

While I agree with your initial points. I can tell you I have raised 5 brown boys to adulthood and some of them have had negative interactions with police. I had the talk with them when they were small and continued all their lives.

I think these types of conversations are upside down. We don’t pay citizens to be good citizens. We do pay police, we should have expectations that they will be fair and enforce the constitution and local/federal/state laws. I have trouble saying we all live in a country where you must comply no matter what or it could cost you your life. Fear for your life from the people we pay to protect and serve. That doesn’t sound the America I know.

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Cops are the enforcement arm of democracy. They will murder

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Jan 28, 2023, 7:38 AM

You at the drop of a hat if you disobey the mob. It isn’t a racial thing, it is a big government thing.

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Re: Cops are the enforcement arm of democracy. They will murder


Jan 28, 2023, 11:31 AM


You at the drop of a hat if you disobey the mob. It isn’t a racial thing, it is a big government thing.


And that is the establishment that must be changed, not law enforcement.

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Daniel Shaver and Philando Castile say hello.

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Jan 28, 2023, 1:47 PM

From the grave.

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drunk at the putt putt.


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