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The Clear problem with DJ…
Oct 31, 2021, 11:05 AM
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…is he doesn’t make any reads. Or TE having lost confidence in DJ only gives him one target. Sitting in the stadium yesterday, I got to see what you don’t get to see on tv: the secondary. On so many plays there are guys getting open, but DJ is locked in staring at the pre snap target, no matter if he’s got 3 guys on him or not.
There was a play in the 2nd quarter where Davis Allen ran a post past the safety and was all alone, but DJ was staring at his sideline target, which went imcomplete. Saw another where ngata had beat his guy on a cross, but dj threw to the rb.
I think it really easy for defenses to key in on what he is going to do and blow it up.
Now, some of this has to do with our OL woes. Many times he doesn’t have time for reads, but that seemed a bit better yesterday.
I’ve also noticed what others on here have posted, he’s carrying a lot of weight, and it’s not muscular weight. He needs some weight training, might help with the qb draws.
Overall, I’m proud that our team hung in there. Really impressed with Shipley, who is always fired up and leaves it all on the field. He’s the offensive team leader in my opinion.
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Re: The Clear problem with DJ…
Oct 31, 2021, 11:24 AM
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I agree. Especially with the Shipley remark. It appears that the coaches are counting on the freshman to win games for the team. I’m just afraid they are over working him . He and the OL played a solid game last night. The OL injuries concerns me more right now. Another went out yesterday.
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Yeah… gotta not over work Shipley into injury***
Oct 31, 2021, 11:52 AM
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Re: The Clear problem with DJ…
Oct 31, 2021, 11:28 AM
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He does not get past the first read for sure. Maybe he will at some point? A one read non accurate passer is not a good combination
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Re: The Clear problem with DJ…
Oct 31, 2021, 11:38 AM
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DJ is obviously not a finished product / ready-for-prime-time QB.
However, his coaching has been effective.
DJ does not ALWAYS stare down his primary receiver (as he did in the first 3 'real' games). Still must continue to improve, though.
DJ's throwing quality has improved. No ground balls to open receivers on short routes against FSU (which is clearly improvement).
DJ's pocket presence / attempts to survey the field for open receivers has improved. No where like T.Lawrence of D.Watson ... which is obvious to everyone ... but he is getting better in this area.
At the very least, DJ's improvement in these key QB areas reflects favorably on the Offense's coaches.
We clearly do not have a better alternative to DJ ... our backup QB's lack of accuracy against Pitt scared the coaches (and many CU fans). DJ is our horse to ride for rest of the year; let's hope that his improvement continues to be in evidence against Louisville.
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Re: The Clear problem with DJ…
Oct 31, 2021, 12:11 PM
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He did have a couple ground balls... But point taken.
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So you’re telling the OP
Oct 31, 2021, 12:13 PM
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that he didn’t see what he saw? BS. This guy is clearly incapable of reading the field to find the open receiver or reading the RPO effectively.
The coaching staff has done very little if anything to impact DJU’s play one iota this season, and it may not be their fault. He’s just not a QB1 at this level. He’s not mentally strong enough to make plays under pressure. He’s just as inconsistent and generally prone to make bad decisions since game 1.
He’s not a QB at this level. What troubles me is that he’s clearly the best we’ve got. I blame THAT on the coaching staff.
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Re: So you’re telling the OP
Oct 31, 2021, 12:45 PM
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When DJ has become a very successful College QB will you come back on here and say oh sorry I was wrong.
Now I am not saying He has not had some bad moments but He has had some really good moments!
He does not play the game by himself and others play affects his.
But at the end of Saturday He and the Tigers are 5-3.
But DJ has abilities and talent that can’t be taught! I bet last year and in the summer you were saying how He was gonna win the heismen!! Go Tigers
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Re: So you’re telling the OP
Oct 31, 2021, 1:21 PM
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I agree DJ has the potential. He came into here after Trevor Lawrence and DeShaun Watson that’s no easy task. One thing he needs to be able to do is role out of the pocket to pass instead of dropping back each time if he incorporates that into his game he could be special. Let’s remember he is still a sophomore too. Les go Tigers!
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Yes, I will come back and admit that I was wrong.
Oct 31, 2021, 1:31 PM
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if DJU somehow learns to be a QB at this level.
If he doesn’t will you come back and admit that you really have no idea what “abilities and talents that can’t be taught” DJU has, and that’s all just wishful thinking on your part? Because if he had those talents we wouldn’t be losing to average/mediocre teams like NC State or Pittsburgh because or QB is a bust, and one of the worst QB’s in division one football?
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Re: So you’re telling the OP
Oct 31, 2021, 2:21 PM
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You're still in the denial stage of grief. He had a couple good moments, but they're not enough when they're coupled with some of the worst moments I've seen for a QB. I never thought DJ would win the Heisman. I thought we'd be blowing teams out and he wouldn't play enough for that. But I did think he was going to be an amazing QB. I was wrong. And we now have an 8 game sample size to see what he is as a QB. He has not improved this year. His statistics have gotten worse.
Of P5 QBs, he's now:
Third worst in QB rating
Sixth worst in passing accuracy
The worst in ypa
Third worst in passing touchdowns
17th most interceptions
At this point in the season, he has now overtaken Brandon Streeter as the worst quarterback statistically at Clemson in the past 50 years.
You're right. He doesn't play the game alone. But Trevor did wonders with some of these exact same players. The offensive line is better this year than last year (not saying much, but it is). Occam's Razor buddy. Is it more likely that around 8-9 players have regressed from last year, or that one player isn't as good as we thought they were?
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Re: The Clear problem with DJ…
Oct 31, 2021, 12:23 PM
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That was a huge miss to a wide open TE running a seam route. The freshman TE... Baringstool or something. He had to drop down to get it. Left 20-30 yards in run after catch. He might be better about getting the throws within reach, but at this level, you need to hit a guy in stride.
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ABSOLUTELY TRUE
Oct 31, 2021, 3:40 PM
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Of the catches made by anyone this, very few have been “in stride”. Guys are having to jump/ bend down, reach back or turn left/right. What is not heard about a lot is how he shoves the ball to a guy who is just a few feet away, but completely surrounded just so DJ does not get hit. To be a little picky, I haven’t ever seen him help one of those guys up either.
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Re: The Clear problem with DJ…
Oct 31, 2021, 12:30 PM
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DJ is obviously not a finished product / ready-for-prime-time QB.
However, his coaching has been effective.
DJ does not ALWAYS stare down his primary receiver (as he did in the first 3 'real' games). Still must continue to improve, though.
DJ's throwing quality has improved. No ground balls to open receivers on short routes against FSU (which is clearly improvement).
DJ's pocket presence / attempts to survey the field for open receivers has improved. No where like T.Lawrence of D.Watson ... which is obvious to everyone ... but he is getting better in this area.
At the very least, DJ's improvement in these key QB areas reflects favorably on the Offense's coaches.
We clearly do not have a better alternative to DJ ... our backup QB's lack of accuracy against Pitt scared the coaches (and many CU fans). DJ is our horse to ride for rest of the year; let's hope that his improvement continues to be in evidence against Louisville.
He may have improved a little from actual game reps, but you are full of it if you see any read progression or accuracy improvement. He has no feel for the pocket and often steps back and out when he could actually step up into the small pocket our line can create. He panics, looks down as soon as there's a push and throws a 98 mph fastball at all times, he is devoid of touch. You are right about one thing - #7 is not the answer, DJ is playing by default.
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Re: The Clear problem with DJ…
Oct 31, 2021, 11:32 AM
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You are totally correct with your assessment of DJ. TV shows when only he throws to a certain player, but at the game you see the whole field. Every home game this year, I noticed the same thing, he only looks at one target when there are 1 or 2 open wide open receivers down field. I believe the problem is that he does not have confidence in him or poor coaching or could be both.
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Re: The Clear problem with DJ…
Oct 31, 2021, 11:53 AM
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I don’t see any reads. No run reads, no pass reads. Decision is made pre-snap, ball goes there no matter what. The clearest indication of this was when the receiver fell down on the near right side. DJ was looking at him when he fell down, continued to look at him while he got up, then threw to him. By that time it was clear as day that that play was not there. There were tons of run reads where if DJ pulled it he had 15 Yds around the right side……tons. He never pulled it. That tells me he’s not making a read. D was keying on Shipley. To his credit Shipley made plays anyway. We’re not taking what the defense is giving. We’re taking option #1 regardless of what the defense is doing. You’re not going to get option #1 all the way down the field very often. Which is why we struggle to get all the way down the field very often. It was a good hard fought win, but we need to become way smarter.
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Limited QB IQ is what you just described and it ain’t
Oct 31, 2021, 12:01 PM
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Gonna get fixed with practice. We are gonna have to try and make lemonade with a lemon.
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Re: The Clear problem with DJ…
Oct 31, 2021, 11:37 AM
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I think that one of his problems is that that he pitches the FB like he would throw a baseball, and most of the time, he is throwing a fastball, and that could be a problem with all the dropped balls, he's throwing fastballs over just passing the FB, and it's hot when it gets to the receivers. Our receivers need a 1st base glove to catch some of those fastballs he throws!!!
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I agree and disagree.
Oct 31, 2021, 11:44 AM
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The pass to the TE yesterday over the middle was hot but slightly off target.
A WR worth his beans can catch a beamer in his hands. No excuse for dropping a ball because it's thrown too hard. Soft throws lead to interceptions.
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Re: I agree and disagree.
Oct 31, 2021, 12:17 PM
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Yeah, he leads briningstool there and it's a big gainer.
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Let's get through this season...
Oct 31, 2021, 1:24 PM
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...and see what Klubnik can do as far as elevating the team. DJ just does not have it ( yet).
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Great post...insightful
Oct 31, 2021, 11:39 AM
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With all the terribly juvenile posters talking about DJ's hair/clothing/etc this is a breath of fresh air.
It's also nice to hear from someone actually at the game who could see the entire field. This makes me feel better about TE knowing that there are some open WRs, DJ is just not seeing them apparently.
I know if these coaches thought TP would give us a better chance to win they would make him the starter but I just can't help to think he should be given the chance to play some meaningful snaps to develop his game.
I am no coach, I just don't see DJ ever being the guy.
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Agree… DJ doesn’t appear to have the QB read skills needed
Oct 31, 2021, 12:04 PM
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To be the guy.
How did the coaches miss this in recruiting and in practice?
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To be fair, lots and lots of people missed on this guy
Oct 31, 2021, 12:10 PM
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If he is, in fact, a miss. I sat and watched the Miami freshman QB yesterday look 200x better than DJ.
DJ may improve (I really really hope he does) but I just don't see it.
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Yes
Oct 31, 2021, 11:50 AM
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He knows exactly what he is going to do before the snap and will not deviate no matter what happens during the play. If he can ever get past that and settle his nerves to a point where he doesn’t panic under pressure and fire a 95 mph hour fastball at our receivers he can be pretty good. The game has got to slow down for him and he needs to process what he sees a lot faster. Hopefully he can do that eventually. He does seem to be getting better.
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Re: The Clear problem with DJ…
Oct 31, 2021, 11:56 AM
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In DJ’s postgame interview he was asked about the interception and he said that was a called play and it sounded like he is being told which receiver he is to throw the ball to. That may be what is leading him to lock in on one receiver. I remember early in the season lots of posts on here saying that it was “obvious “ DJ couldn’t make reads and needed to be told where to throw to. Sometimes you get what you ask for…
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That would be a much bigger problem
Oct 31, 2021, 11:58 AM
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but I doubt that's the case.
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Re: That would be a much bigger problem
Oct 31, 2021, 12:01 PM
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I was surprised too. But that is exactly what he said when asked about the int during his postgame interview. If it is the case he will need to know when to just throw it away. He did also say he didn’t put the ball in the right spot and he threw it short and needed to put it in a better place to give the receiver a chance.
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Re: That would be a much bigger problem
Oct 31, 2021, 12:03 PM
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Listen to the interview attached to the post where the bozo was attacking him combing his hair and beard and let me know if you think I misinterpreted his answer. I was pretty surprised to hear it.
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I think it's clear that he's locking on to one receiver
Oct 31, 2021, 12:04 PM
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but if the coaching staff is telling him to then I would be really really surprised.
But at the same time this year? I guess nothing surprises me :-/
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Re: I think it's clear that he's locking on to one receiver
Oct 31, 2021, 12:07 PM
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That was what surprised me. His answer was that was a called play and that’s who he was supposed to go to or something very similar to that.
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Re: I think it's clear that he's locking on to one receiver
Oct 31, 2021, 12:14 PM
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Re: I think it's clear that he's locking on to one receiver
Oct 31, 2021, 12:18 PM
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Or the coaches don’t trust him to make the reads and are limiting him. None of which is good news.
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Re: I think it's clear that he's locking on to one receiver
Oct 31, 2021, 12:37 PM
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Yep.
Oct 31, 2021, 12:41 PM
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true true.
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Re: I think it's clear that he's locking on to one receiver
Oct 31, 2021, 2:42 PM
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Yep. That is a very telling answer.
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Re: That would be a much bigger problem
Oct 31, 2021, 2:36 PM
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The better place would have been the other side of the field where Ross had gotten behind his DB and there was no safety help.
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DW and TL took the play as a suggestion, not gospel
Oct 31, 2021, 12:08 PM
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Then adjusted on the fly as things didn’t pan out. You need that kind of a confident, fast adjusting QB running the O. If DJ is not that then why not try someone else. The mental decisions are more important than the arm in college.
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Re: The Clear problem with DJ…
Oct 31, 2021, 2:53 PM
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Even on the interception play, he threw into coverage behind the receiver. He doesn’t seem to understand the concept of throwing a receiver open. On that play, if he leads the receiver by 4 yards, he throws the guy open behind the coverage. Reads and throws are mostly late, which puts the ball in jeopardy. Easy catches become contested. What scares me most is I don’t think this is something you can teach. It’s an instinct you either have or you don’t.
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Re: The Clear problem with DJ…
Oct 31, 2021, 12:19 PM
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His clear problem is that he cannot play QB.
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Re: The Clear problem with DJ…
Oct 31, 2021, 12:25 PM
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Thanks for the post. This is the kind of stuff I would like to discuss on this board instead of all the other nonsense.
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Re: The Clear problem with DJ…
Oct 31, 2021, 12:36 PM
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Totally agree with that. There's some but few and far between. I think they're others whom would like too but concerned over getting called out as complainers. Me, I just see it as a football discussion.
I'm in agreement with most posts in this thread. However, what may concern me even more is we're having to have this conversation over teams with far inferior talent and are not close to being good defensive teams. Not only is the ACC down, it's down compared to their usual standards.
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Re: The Clear problem with DJ…
Oct 31, 2021, 12:35 PM
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besides D J is a weak "O" line, receivers who don't run their routes, or drop passes ,bubble screens that are still part of a Rob Spence offense that didn't work then, a vanilla playbook and an OC who needs to man up that he needs another set of eyes. Oh and did I fail to mention strength and conditioning and hiring coaches that have no previous experience other than they played for Dabo. If not let me also mention that it's ok for a player to transfer out ,but the portal is out of commission for anybody that might help to "beam" on board.
Of course we have already heard the "We are who we are right now", and "We need to score more points" type of excuses, not to mention the team is being disrupted by "crowd noise" .Other than that I can't think of any other problems DJ, and the offense has on the table.
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Re: The Clear problem with DJ…
Oct 31, 2021, 12:40 PM
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He’s like the guy leading a fast break that makes up his mind at half court what he’s going to do with the basketball, regardless of what the defender does. IMO after playing and coaching a bunch of different kids, that never improves. It’s something you’re born with.
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Re: The Clear problem with DJ…
Oct 31, 2021, 12:51 PM
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Any top tier program QB, freshman or senior, should be able to do multiple (at least 2) reads.
Heck, let Shipley or a another crossing WR do an occasional pass.
Still don't get why TP is not getting a series or two.
Watching Louisville last night, I believe they'll have their hands full.
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Re: The Clear problem with DJ…
Oct 31, 2021, 2:30 PM
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You are so correct. He has one target and stares that target down. Thus, the secondary knows on which receiver to focus, and unfortunately the other receivers quit on their routes.
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Re: The Clear problem with DJ…
Nov 1, 2021, 1:51 PM
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Absolutely agree with your observations. Something has changed between his performance last year and his becoming the starter this year. He plays tentatively, flat, slow and timid. My main concern is he does not appear to exhibit any leadership on the field...he does not play like he is in charge...not a drop of swagger.
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