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Let’s be honest here. Not all paths to the playoff are the same
Jun 24, 2021, 10:41 AM
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which I guess is why fans of teams who clearly aren’t even the best in their conference keep whining about expanding the playoff.
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Re: Let’s be honest here. Not all paths to the playoff are the same
Jun 24, 2021, 10:45 AM
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I can’t wait for our resident dog turds to clarify this for us. Thanks a lot smackdown-coot!
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That is one lugubrious mangy mutt***
Jun 24, 2021, 10:59 AM
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Re: Let’s be honest here. Not all paths to the playoff are the same
Jun 24, 2021, 11:44 AM
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If Georgia's conference is too hard for them they should get out. Otherwise quit whining.
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If they leave…
Jun 24, 2021, 11:51 AM
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The coots will gladly follow.
Watch out Sunbelt!
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Re: Let’s be honest here. Not all paths to the playoff are the same
Jun 24, 2021, 12:14 PM
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They will be able to continue this streak by hiring Boom! It’s contagious but he’s the best at excuses for losing, so there’s that!
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I hope he is on the sideline...8 qant to see him get a 15 yarder
Jun 24, 2021, 6:23 PM
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And maybe he and Kirby will go at each other. That would ouod be entertaining.
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Re: Let’s be honest here. Not all paths to the playoff are the same
Jun 24, 2021, 12:51 PM
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Sometimes the 2nd best team in a conference is better than all of the other conferences 1st team or at least most of the other conferences 1st team.
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What does that have to do with a 4 team playoff determining
Jun 24, 2021, 1:47 PM
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who the best in all of college football is? Nothing.
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Re: What does that have to do with a 4 team playoff determining
Jun 24, 2021, 2:01 PM
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Most of us knew that Bama was the best by far even before the playoff even started last season. So we really didn't even need the other 3. We knew who was the best right? The point I am making is that we will find out that the top 4 teams that make the 12 team playoff won't be intact when the playoff ends. It shows that the system was always flawed picking the top 4. Anyway, the new system will get more of the nation involved we will find the top teams overall. Nothing wrong with making the final 4 in the end. Most of the time we have a pretty good idea who the champ will be within 2 teams max. Most programs consider even making the final 4 teams a huge success.
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Most people “felt like” Alabama was the best team
Jun 24, 2021, 3:42 PM
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going into the playoff but nobody knew that for sure. What we did know for sure was that Alabama was by far and away the best team from the SEC. Adding another team from that conference would’ve been a complete waste of time when the goal is to determine who the national champion is and any impartial person knows that. Understanding that the playoff began because there were times when it was possible that the best team, based on the results of the games previously played during the season, would not get a shot at a national championship in the BCS system. That problem has been fixed. Now because of whiny fans who think their team was better than one of the top 4 we need a playoff expansion? People need to get real. The goal was never to rank 1-4. Oh by the way would still be debatable under any sized playoff scenario because, once again, all paths are not the same. The goal is to rank number 1. The goal is to produce an undisputed national champion and the playoff has never failed to do that.
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Re: Most people “felt like” Alabama was the best team
Jun 24, 2021, 3:49 PM
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You bring up some good points, but we might not have been the 2nd best team in the SEC had we been it. Of course I clearly think we would have been, but you never know. Its about winning it all, but it is also about get the 4 best teams competing in those and its not an exact science. There will be times when 3 of the top 5 or 6 teams in the nation will be from the SEC. Sometimes you needs more than 1 team ina conference. Miami seems on the rise. One day it might be us and Miami both making the playoff. You bring up some good points and I agree with most of that. Just looking at it from another angle. Anyway, good post.
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Re: Most people “felt like” Alabama was the best team
Jun 24, 2021, 3:51 PM
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Which "whiny fans" changed the playoff system? Specifically, which fans and specifics on how they changed the system.
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So fans of teams being left out of the playoff
Jun 24, 2021, 4:49 PM
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are not what’s driving the talk of expansion? Please enlighten me. Also read my points above and prove me wrong.
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Re: So fans of teams being left out of the playoff
Jun 25, 2021, 8:30 AM
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I think money is driving talks of playoff expansion, tv ratings. Doubtful fans ranting on forums or call in shows are moving the needle on this.
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Re: So fans of teams being left out of the playoff
Jun 25, 2021, 2:40 PM
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Do you honestly think they aren’t listening to the consumer? That’s generally how marketing works.
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Re: So fans of teams being left out of the playoff
Jun 25, 2021, 8:13 PM
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You both make good points, but money drives everything. The fans complaining made the atmosphere ripe for moving ahead with more teams in the playoffs. I believe it's been the plan for 2-3 years at least. I started really paying attention the year that Herbstreit was like a broken record insisting that UGA should be in the playoffs after losing to Bama in the SECCG. More and more you could see their agenda being revealed on air. It probably wasn't just ESPN's agenda, but they were the face of it. Disney is all about $$$, and they basically own college football now with ESPN, ABC, ACCN, SECN, Big 10, and soon, the SEC games that CBS previously owned the rights to broadcast. Bottom line: more games = more money in Disney's bank accounts.
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Re: Most people “felt like” Alabama was the best team
Jun 24, 2021, 6:00 PM
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Look at pic MORAN. God you Dawgs are dumb.
MORAN??
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Re: Most people “felt like” Alabama was the best team
Jun 24, 2021, 6:04 PM
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You don’t know what a Moran is? You poast on our bored all the time, yet question what a Moran is.... wow. You may be as dumb as he thinks.
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Re: Most people “felt like” Alabama was the best team
Jun 24, 2021, 6:15 PM
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You don’t know what a Moran is? You poast on our bored all the time, yet question what a Moran is.... wow. You may be as dumb as he thinks.
Well, I know what a "moron" is, but I obviously haven't posted here enough to know what a "moran" is.
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Re: Most people “felt like” Alabama was the best team
Jun 24, 2021, 7:48 PM
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Context clues.... they’re everywhere. HTH!
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Re: Most people “felt like” Alabama was the best team
Jun 24, 2021, 5:59 PM
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So which 4 teams should have gone to the CFP in 2017? (Or 2016 for that matter). What about in 2011 - which two teams should have been in the BCS?
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Real champions know that:
Jun 24, 2021, 6:37 PM
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A) Every regular season game matters and you absolutely cannot afford to lose more than one if you want a shot at the national championship.
B) If you clearly aren’t even the best team in your conference then you certainly cannot be the best team in the nation.
C) Any argument as to whether or not your team was better than one of the final 4 playoff teams is a moot point when it was already settled on the field that you were not better than at least one of the selections.
Any questions?
Proponents of expansion keep harping on best 4. You miss the point. The goal of the playoff has always been to determine who is the best 1. Without every team playing every team final rankings will always be in question no matter how much you expand the playoff. Who’s the best 4? Who’s the best 12? Who cares? However, the one thing that has not come into question since the inception of the playoff by any honest person is who the champion is. Want to be in the final 4? Try having a better season. Treat every game like a playoff game. You can get in with one loss if you’re in the SEC and we both know it. You want in? Then stop complaining and stop losing.
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Re: Real champions know that:
Jun 24, 2021, 9:50 PM
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That pretty much covers who the champion is. It doesn’t matter if Clemson & North Carolina are undefeated going into the ACC championship rated 1 & 2. The team that loses is out of the National Championship, that’s the way it works now.
If they go to 12 teams getting a bye & waiting on a home game is a huge advantage if you play in Death Valley!
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Re: Real champions know that:
Jun 24, 2021, 10:23 PM
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B) If you clearly aren’t even the best team in your conference then you certainly cannot be the best team in the nation.
Any questions?
You didn't answer the question the first time, so I'll ask again:
In 2017, Alabama was not the best team in their conference, so you're saying they couldn't be the best team in the nation. So who should have been the 4?
Same thing in 2016, Ohio St was not the best team in their conference, so who should have gone?
In 2014, you had five 1-loss teams, so how do you know for sure which 3 go and which 2 get left out?
In 2011, Alabama was also not the best team in their conference. You're saying they could not be the best in the nation. Oklahoma St was the best team in their conference with the same record as Alabama, why did they not go? Or why did Bama go ahead of Stanford?
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Re: Real champions know that:
Jun 24, 2021, 10:59 PM
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Can you repeat the question, but on a different bored? TIA!!!!!
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Do you have any reading comprehension skills or do you just
Jun 25, 2021, 8:19 AM
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insist on rambling? Did I not say that a one regular season loss SEC team is a lock for the playoff? The committee got it absolutely correct that year. Georgia and Alabama were the best teams in the nation that year. To insist that UCF was better than either is laughable. Bama slipped once. I repeat once. Not multiple losses like Georgia or Florida last year. The outlier was Auburn whom Georgia eliminated in the SECCG. Auburn lost to UCF and proved the committee was right again. Under no scenario was there a need for more teams in the playoff to give us an undisputed national champion that year or any other year. Instead of asking me questions I already answered why don’t you answer the simple question which is when has the current playoff system failed to give us an undisputed national champion? I will hang up and listen.
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Re: Do you have any reading comprehension skills or do you just
Jun 25, 2021, 12:25 PM
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First off, who said anything about UCF? Let alone "insist". And I don't think anyone was saying Georgia or Florida should have gone last year. I mean maybe A&M had an argument, but not Georgia or Florida. Who's saying that?
But one of your main points (and pretty much the only point of your thread starter) continues to be that teams who don't win their conference shouldn't go to the CFP. Then you turn around and say they got it "absolutely correct" in 2017 by inviting Alabama. But did they? Wisconsin had the same record as Alabama. Their single loss was to a top 5 team by less than a score. Alabama's loss was by double digits to a 4-loss team (and no, I am not a Wisconsin fan). Do you not see the contradiction there? The fact is that we'll never know if they "absolutely" got it right since Wisky wasn't in. Sure Bama "probably" still wins, but you cannot say for sure. A larger field would have removed that doubt, however small it may have been. That's not rambling.
Even season is different. Sometimes you have multiple undefeated P5 teams, sometimes you don't have any. But most years you have had teams get left out who have similar resume's as teams who got in. If you really want an "undisputed" Champion, shouldn't those teams get a chance to be proven wrong?
I'm on record as saying 12 teams is too many. The main problem is that the best number of teams does not form an even bracket. I'd argue that 6 teams is probably the best number, but then you get the mess with the byes. So if they want to expand - and to be clear I'm not really for it or against it - I'd say 8 is probably the best number, and never go past that.
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Re: Do you have any reading comprehension skills or do you just
Jun 25, 2021, 2:44 PM
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Who cares, UGA sucks. The records are clear to this matter. Now, go shave your wife’s beard.
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Re: Do you have any reading comprehension skills or do you just
Jun 25, 2021, 3:06 PM
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Do you really want to talk about the records in this series?
But aside from all that, you seem to be very touchy and hostile. Why so tense?
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Re: Do you have any reading comprehension skills or do you just
Jun 25, 2021, 4:45 PM
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We can talk all day, you fans are kings of talk, but you just can’t get past not being able to close the deal. It’s probably a lot that we can beat your daddy and you can’t. Oh, I’m not touchy in the slightest. In fact, it’s my pleasure to troll your weak constitution given you actually think we care anything about an ancient record that has been as stale as your coaching staffs for the past 40 years. Poor dawg fans. One thing is certain, once you guys lose, no one will see or hear from any of you whiners until “next year...” pathetic.
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Re: Do you have any reading comprehension skills or do you just
Jun 25, 2021, 7:18 PM
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... given you actually think we care anything about an ancient record
Well then why did you bring it up?
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Re: Do you have any reading comprehension skills or do you just
Jun 25, 2021, 8:23 PM
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Show me where I brought up the Clemson/UGA record.
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Re: Most people “felt like” Alabama was the best team
Jun 25, 2021, 10:52 AM
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Now because of whiny fans who think their team was better than one of the top 4 we need a playoff expansion? People need to get real. The goal was never to rank 1-4. Oh by the way would still be debatable under any sized playoff scenario because, once again, all paths are not the same. The goal is to rank number 1. The goal is to produce an undisputed national champion and the playoff has never failed to do that.
But this expansion DOES fix the potential problem of an elite team being eliminated in spite of being undefeated (never mind the AAC/G5/Independents, or us getting 2 teams in last year, etc.).
Mark my words, we'll beat UGA & immediately jump to #1, but it won't last in spite of remaining undefeated. That's OK---we only need to be in the top 4 to get into the playoff (albeit many fans will be furious as soon as we drop from #1).
But if enough teams ever were undefeated together, now none of them would have to be eliminated in a 12-team system. I know it's never happened before, but ONCE would be too many, too, & it absolutely favors our own destiny as well, make no mistake.
Besides, I'm not afraid to play of any of those other top-11 teams anyway. It will be epic!
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Re: Most people “felt like” Alabama was the best team
Jun 25, 2021, 11:43 AM
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You seem very certain of a Clemson win over Georgia. What makes Clemson, in your view, so much better than the Dawgs? Sincere question.
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Re: Most people “felt like” Alabama was the best team
Jun 25, 2021, 2:46 PM
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We win trophy’s. Here to help.
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Re: Most people “felt like” Alabama was the best team
Jun 25, 2021, 3:01 PM
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We win trophy’s.
Not when you play UGA, you don't.
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Re: Most people “felt like” Alabama was the best team
Jun 25, 2021, 3:03 PM
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Kinda like when UGA plays Texas...
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Re: Most people “felt like” Alabama was the best team
Jun 25, 2021, 3:07 PM
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Or when Clemson plays LSU (you really want to play that silly game?) ...
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Re: Most people “felt like” Alabama was the best team
Jun 25, 2021, 4:47 PM
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It’s your game princess. I’m just exposing how embarrassed you are deep down.
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Re: Most people “felt like” Alabama was the best team
Jun 25, 2021, 4:50 PM
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Every chance you get, tell your son how proud of him you are. He can’t help where he comes from, but he definitely has taste having chosen Clemson. Sometimes, we should listen to our kids...
Also, pumping Texas, ?? Nah, just reaffirming how pathetic you two dumbazzes are talking #### on a Clemson bored.
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Re: Most people “felt like” Alabama was the best team
Jun 25, 2021, 5:08 PM
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That is simultaneously your nicest and rudest comment to me ever. Well done, Sir.
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Re: Most people “felt like” Alabama was the best team
Jun 25, 2021, 5:43 PM
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We’d be friends in person. I promise. I actually like your posts, honestly. Your pal is a fledgling canoe, unfortunately so you get collateral.
Cheers and looking forward to a great game.
Btw, two of my best friends are dawgs and we have been friends since we were 15.
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Re: Most people “felt like” Alabama was the best team
Jun 25, 2021, 9:12 PM
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It's all just good natured trash talk from spirited fans. Never personal.
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Re: Most people “felt like” Alabama was the best team
Jun 25, 2021, 11:10 PM
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Oh yea. Red Rocket could use your advice.
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Re: Most people “felt like” Alabama was the best team
Jun 26, 2021, 7:00 AM
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Watch out for RedDawg. He shows up here with stats and facts. I've seen him win some lively debates here.
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Re: Most people “felt like” Alabama was the best team
Jun 26, 2021, 1:54 PM
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Please, there are no winners of debates on message boreds... I bet I can show you far more times redrocket was way in over his head just from a matter of common sense.
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Re: Most people “felt like” Alabama was the best team
Jun 26, 2021, 1:56 PM
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Show me where I claimed you did or that I give a ####? Example 89 (red rocket ?? swings and misses again).
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Re: Most people “felt like” Alabama was the best team
Jun 25, 2021, 8:20 PM
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AF, agree. You, nah. Big homer dootsch with no humility nor sense.
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Re: Most people “felt like” Alabama was the best team
Jun 26, 2021, 9:50 AM
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Says the guy whose most frequent post is "you suck".
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Re: Most people “felt like” Alabama was the best team
Jun 26, 2021, 1:58 PM
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What’s your point? Honesty doesn’t sit well, huh?
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Re: Most people “felt like” Alabama was the best team
Jun 26, 2021, 2:55 PM
[ in reply to Re: Most people “felt like” Alabama was the best team ] |
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I think it's too much more important to Clemson, but I admit it's not a guarantee---I was only trying to make the point about how we likely can't stay at #1 through the season even with a win over UGA, & in regards to the topic above about expansion not being necessary.
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