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Anyone else growing tired of these 17 year old prima-donnas?

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Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 6:11 AM
 

These young football players love all the attention and sense of entitlement way too much for my taste.

Especially the ones who will wait until signing day and announce live on ESPN where they plan to play football. CFB needs an early signing period badly. We need to shift the power back to the universities and away from immature attention-seeking teenagers. Just sayin......

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Re: Anyone else growing tired of these 17 year old prima-donnas?

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Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 6:17 AM
 

I disagree with you, this is the one time in their lives this will happen, they should enjoy it

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Turf2, I'm surprised that someone like you wouldn't know

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Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 6:29 AM
 

that the term is "pre-Madonna," which in the case of these teenagers has a certain truth to it! lol

My Friend, as you are aware, we can thank the media for the attention given to recruiting, and I suppose were I in these kids' shoes, I would enjoy my 15 minutes in the spotlight, too. We can also thank ourselves, for we seem to relish the hoopla as much as the young men. The drama does offer a little excitement to this sometimes bleak time of the year.

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Totally agree but. .

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Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 6:36 AM
 

The media and all these sites would not exist if there wasn't a market for them.
it is more us than the media. We turn these kids into media frenzies. Hanging on their every word , stalking them daily and nightly. Will it every stop? Yo, I don't know. Turn off the lights, and I'll glow. To the extreme I rock the mic like a vandal. Light up a stage and wAtch a chump like a candle..dance.

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LOL.....Well, GV, I'll give you a big, ole fat +1 for being


Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 6:56 AM
 

able to come up with that this early in the morn.

Could be that we envision ourselves in the spotlight through these youngsters and hence, our enjoyment of the "game." Or else we have little else to do this time of year.

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Re: Totally agree but. .

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Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 7:10 AM
 

Ice, Ice, Baby

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Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 7:12 AM
 



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When I think of those east end lights, muggy nights


Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 9:05 AM
 

Curtains drawn in the little room downstairs
Prima Donna lord you really should have been there
Sitting like a princess perched in her electric chair
And it's one more beer and i don't hear you anymore
We've all gone crazy lately
My friends out there rolling round the basement floor
And someone saved my life tonight...

Never was really sure what he was talking about in
that song.

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these kids make hundreds of millions for the school

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Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 6:30 AM
 

They're already not getting their fair share. And you're complaining about this????

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Re: these kids make hundreds of millions for the school

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Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 6:54 AM
 

Woods, there is two sides to that story. These kids are getting a free education, a platform to showcase their talents, in a program that not only helps them grow as a player, but a man, just for playing football. You and I have a VERY different opinion on what a college player's "fair share of the profits" are. We could sit and argue this all day with no resolution. The university is responsible for EVERYTHING financially with regards to the school, the stadium and everything revolving around a college football program. These kids are treated like kings while they are in school. They go to class, practice their butts off, and sacrifice more than your normal Joe-blow student. I bet if you ask any present or former football player, they wouldn't want to be anywhere else.

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THey should pay coaches with a scholly and room and board

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Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 8:04 AM
 

since it is such a great deal.

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I agree with your sentiment here


Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 9:05 AM
 

I think.

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Re: these kids make hundreds of millions for the school


Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 8:44 AM
 

That's great and all but without these players, the school would not get the multi-million contracts from tv rights. So if the tv company says they want a tv show about kids making their announcement, then by God the school should make this happen.

I remember when I was a high school athlete. I got the girls, I got the fame and I got what I wanted.

To complain about "pre-madonna" athletes is futile. There will always be narcissism to the highest degree with the best athletes in any sport.

College football should thank their lucky stars the NFL doesn't have a minor league program.

Complaining about signing day is the dumbest thing I can think of to complain about.

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I actually pray that this happens


Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 9:01 AM
 

PLease nfl create your own minor league.

I know I'm different, But if I went to school at Harvard I would follow them as passionately as I do Clemson.

I put forth way more effort to watch wafford vs Clemson than I will to watch Denver vs north Carolina. Or even Denver vs Detroit.

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What will kill college football is the people who are


Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 9:09 AM
 

unwilling to share the millions being made off the sport with the athletes who actually do the work and draw the fans in.

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Football, baseball , and basketball


Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 9:26 AM
 

Would likely survive under any system.

Doubt the other sports could.

Do you know the monetary value of a Clemson athletic scholarship ?
Some one posted the details awhile back but I don't recall the number. Maybe you do or some one else reading this post. I
Should've kept that post.

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What'll kill the college game is turning it into pro football


Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 9:57 AM
 

And that's exactly what paying the players "what they're worth" will make it ... Professional football.

Who determines exactly what each individual player "is actually worth" ?? How is that determination made ?? And what do you do when Player A decides he is worth more than Player B ??

What do you do when School A decides they have the funds to pay their guys more than School B and School C ??

It's just a ridiculous concept to begin with.

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it is beyond me how anyone can reason these


Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 10:49 AM
 

Kids are getting a raw deal but if they are don't blame the universities but the NFL. The NFL gets to treat college football like "minor leagues" in baseball but it costs them so little for what they get in return

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Re: "these kids make hundreds of millions for the school"

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Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 7:20 AM
 

This is an important decision in the recruits' lives. They should choose carefully and take all the time that they can get until they are sure of their decision.

Aside from the original post, the players don't, "make the money." Perhaps you didn't literally mean this, but there is so much misinformation being spread that I thought it deserved some constructive clarification again. The athletic departments have always made the money and always will. Without the athletic departments and their marketing efforts (including conference revenues), a game becomes another backyard brawl that nobody knows about. Only about 30 football programs make more than $5 million. Up until our recent bowl successes, Clemson was not one of them (even last year, Clemson made only $118,000). Most lose money. Those that make money must subsidize the remaining sports programs in their athletic departments. More recently, the SEC made $300-$500 million per year in TV revenue divided amongst its members. Still, that is the exception. None of this was the players' idea nor execution of the idea.

Here is a little bit of information.

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150823/PC20/150829752/1032/clemson-x2019-s-smaller-budget-hasn-x2019-t-hindered-football-triumphs

If you are implying that the players should get paid with money, you should think that through. It would mean the end of college football or, at best, only those 25 or so programs surviving with the schools with the most money winning year after year. No thanks. The players already get paid. The value of their education, collateral benefits, discipline and training are easily worth > $1M over a lifetime.

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Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 7:25 AM
 

Perfectly put .
+1

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You need to research the difference between "for profit" and


Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 8:07 AM
 

"non profit."

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You will Never convince me that is true.

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Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 7:27 AM
 

Their fair share?

In all reality a good portion of these mistreated kids would at best be working dead end minimum wage jobs if not for the evil empire.

Meanwhile kids who have busted their arses academically end up settling for greenville tech. Or woRse SCAR.

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Reread your statement and see how silly it sounds.


Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 8:10 AM
 

No additional facts or information will ever change your mind.

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Yes. I should state it differently. There is no way you will


Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 8:27 AM
 

Convince of that under today's rules.

As it stands today I fully believe these kids are compensated fairly.

I will grant you that coaching salaries are ridiculous. That is the one thing I would change if I had the authority to do so.

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As a former student-athlete at Clemson....


Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 8:19 AM
 

I would have to disagree with your assessment, at least in part.

While I do agree that dealing with the attention seekers does become a bit tiresome, student-athletes, particularly at the collegiate level, invest an unbelievable amount of time and energy into their respective sports. In fact, the amount of time, travel, and energy that students devote to sports due to, at least in part, the extended time away from campus and the inordinate time demands placed on training, is often a stark contrast to that allocated to academics.

There is also no denying that intercollegiate sport is a business enterprise, one which in many cases emphasizes "athlete" over "student" in the "student-athlete" equation while at the same time serving as an advertising instrument which benefits admissions and fund raising efforts for the college or university. On that basis, properly monitored and controlled, it is not unreasonable or imprudent to consider paying college athletes in addition to providing scholarships.

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No sir. We as fans let money turn these programs


Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 8:56 AM
 

Into money making machines.

No matter how much money is generated in this process, these are still students. We use money to skew that into something different.

I dunno your academic situation. But I'm confident is saying most these kids do not meet minimum standards for typical admission.

Many kids put in hard work academically and do not get this opportunity. That in itself is a mega benefit.


I will bring up the 30/30 on the fab 5.

I remember the part where Rose taking about being used. He was saying he had to drive around in a Honda accord during school . He said this right after they showed him and the team wandering around Italy.

As a comparison. .I didn't have a car until I was 21 and I still to this day have never been to Italy. So it is hard for me to sympathise.


Lastly, in your situation, I don't think soccer is self funded. If it wasn't for this evil empire there would be no soccer, swimming, golf, volleyball, track, any womens sports scholarships. That means thousands of other kids would lose the chance aT an education.

This empire is not run by a board collecting 300% returns on their investment. The majority of those million dollar deals go right back to the students. Mostly student athletes. The only exception are these multi-million dollar salaries. . Which I agree are getting ridiculous.

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I'm not really talking about cars...


Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 10:02 AM
 

or trips to Europe (although the trip to Italy was a post-season trip over the summer the kids absolutely did not want to take), I'm talking more about things like going to a movie, buying a pizza, a new paid of jeans, or simply doing laundry.

These kids, especially football and basketball players, who may not meet minimum standards for typical admission, also don't have time for part-time jobs to make a little extra spending money due in large part to the amount of time, travel, and energy that is required for their respective sports.

On that basis, I don't think an annual stipend is unreasonable to cover those real costs beyond tuition, room, board, books and fees that come with attending school.

The biggest concern I have is corruption. There's no doubt some schools will take advantage of this to help recruiting which is why the NCAA has to regulate it closely and disallow some schools in similar geographic locations from paying significantly more to its athletes than some others.




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I understand


Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 10:17 AM
 

I brought up the 30/30 to illustrate rose telling everyone what he didn't get instead of what he did.

I dunno about the deal you got back in the day.

The last detailed information I saw I what indicated these kids get more money than I ever have.

I survived completely on student loans and Pell grants. After tuition was paid I had around 6000 to pay for food. Rent , bills. .etc for 9 months.

howrver, I was able to work in the summer though to support me until the next payout in August.

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I played a non-revenue sport....


Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 10:37 AM
 

and very few male student-athletes who participate non-revenue sports get full rides. I certainly didn't. As I recall, the soccer team received either ten or eleven scholarships annually to divide among its thirty players. Consequently, most of us got around 33.3% but we put in the same amount of time training, practicing, and traveling as the football and basketball players (in some cases more because we rarely got to fly to road games).




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Who cares?*

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Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 6:37 AM
 

nm

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A typical teen being selfish and arrogant?


Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 6:47 AM
 

Never heard of it.

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Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 6:57 AM
 

nm

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I just can't seem to get enough of a recruit......


Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 6:51 AM
 

holding a bag or laying 3 hats on a table and drawing one. Surprised ESPN does' air these.....
wait.....oh yea.....never mind.

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Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 6:56 AM
 

Turf, don't be jealous. I wasn't recruited either! ;)

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Me either, but then again, it wouldn't have mattered seeing


Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 7:12 AM
 

how I was there when we fielded our first team in the days before radio or TV. lol

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Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 1:15 PM
 



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Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 7:19 AM
 

ESPN and the recruiting services wouldn't have it any other way ...which is why they came up with it in the first place . The only problem I have with it is that sometimes it allows the prospective student-athletes to control several schools at a time , depending on their percieved greatness .
It's all the Hollywood of America culture ...goes right along with the Kardashianistic psychological presumption that in America , unless you are famous or wealthy you are nothing .
Bright lights and skin tights my friend...that's the America we've become , unfortunately.

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The fans enable them by living and dying by the recruiting.


Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 7:29 AM
 

If we let the coaches handle the recruiting and don't enrapture ourselves with teenage boys, they wouldn't be given that sort of attention.

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You saying you want it already all in the bag like last year?


Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 7:33 AM
 

This year, just as this past seasom, is full of excitement.

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Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 7:34 AM
 

Recruiting has become a game all unto itself. And I do think that some kids get caught up in the hooplah and like it too much.

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Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 7:50 AM
 

For me, I would have been "All In" as soon as Dabo offered, but then I don't seek glory.

For these young men though, I don't see any real harm in all the hoopla that surrounds their signing. Let them have their fun. And their families relish it too. You ever notice how happy their families are? Some of them don't know the recruits' choice until they put on the hat. You gotta admit that it is entertaining.

And it's worth it's weight in gold watching Korncoot with the look of disgust on his face as he stomps away. He is priceless.

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Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 7:56 AM
 

Agreed, come on man these kids are enjoying a once in a lifetime moment and not all of them know for sure until the final moments. They very well should take every visit and cArefully weighed decisions often pay off the most. I think what the OP was really trying to a at is he is a glass case of nerves right now waiting and can't take the suspense anymore

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You will not find a more dedicated 12 yr old fan


Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 8:00 AM
 

Of Clemson than my son.

If he wants to be an engineer and he gets a full ride scholarship offer from gt and Clemson you better believe his dad is going to make him take an official visit to gt.

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Re: Anyone else growing tired of these 17 year old prima-donnas?


Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 8:39 AM
 

Just think if you were a head coach making millions and had to kiss the rear ends of these kids.

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Your ignorance is truly astonishing, a troll or Usuc fan...


Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 8:44 AM
 

likely the case, if not you should be severely beaten, near death, for your stupidity; and certainly castrated for obvious (containment) reasons.

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Re: Your ignorance is truly astonishing, a troll or Usuc fan...


Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 7:28 PM
 

With a tigerpulse of 55% you're the obviously undereducated gamekawk or just an obnoxious 12 years old.

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Let em have their fun I say


Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 9:13 AM
 

because reality will set in soon enough as they arrive on campus and start going through the "de-recruitment" process. Besides, you really can't blame the kids for becoming Prima Donnas when it's the system that fosters it with all the coaches, boosters, and everyone telling them how great they are in hopes of landing them.

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Nope, not me


Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 9:34 AM
 

You must be one of the old school guys... I'm sorry that you feel that way about a 17 year old kid taking aslong as he wants to make a decision that's gonna affect the next 4 years of his life..

What if one of the "prima-donnas" commits to us? What are you gonna say then? They've earned every bit of attention and publicity they get. You cheer for those immature attention seeking teenagers every Saturday in the fall.. Soooo, I don't see your point on this one.

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Agree 100 % But we as fans have help create the monster. So now how do you get


Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 9:37 AM
 

it back in its cage??? It seems like it gets worse every year. I blame social media more than anything else.

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Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 9:56 AM
 

You are on a message board spouting off about people wanting attention. I think the Universities have plenty of power. Opinions like yours erk me!

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Posted: Jan 26, 2016, 10:34 AM
 

I kind of enjoy the excitement on NSD if a recruit is going to choose Clemson. It takes the luster out of signing day. When Steward/Anthony waited to announce was a lot of excitement. Let there be some drama and let the young kids enjoy the excitement. Does TV take it to far and make "Stars" out of them, yes but I see nothing wrong with them waiting.

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