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Orange Blooded [2218]
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Career Advice
Jul 26, 2015, 11:16 PM
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Ok fellow Clemson Alumni, I'd like to get some advice from ya'll. I'm currently a 5th year senior due to taking off 16 months of school for internships. I've interned at the largest exporter of vehicles in the United States and another small company. My major is Management with a emphasis in Supply Chain.
I think I'm about to get another offer for an internship this Fall with a company that I would love to work for. The problem is, I'm ready to graduate. Should I forgo graduating this December for a chance to work for this company in the future?
Oh, and I graduated high school in 2010. So it will have taken me 6 years to receive my undergrad due to internships, if I accept the job.
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Legend [16058]
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Take as long as you need...The experience is worth it.***
Jul 26, 2015, 11:25 PM
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All-In [48078]
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I agree with this post.***
Jul 27, 2015, 7:43 AM
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Legend [18663]
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If you would love working for that company stick around.
Jul 26, 2015, 11:29 PM
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At your age another six months is nothing.
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Orange Blooded [2669]
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Re: If you would love working for that company stick around.
Jul 26, 2015, 11:45 PM
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Being someone that recently graduated college, and had a tough time even getting interviews I would take the internship. I'm in the logistics field now working for a distribution company. The toughest part for me was that every legit job that I found required at least 2 years of experience.
I would take it just for experience and to put on your resume. Staying in college for longer isn't too bad either!
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Orange Blooded [2218]
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Re: If you would love working for that company stick around.
Jul 26, 2015, 11:48 PM
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Yes, I've noticed this as well. 2 years of experience and up.
But I've been applying for jobs and have had a decent amount of interest. I think its because of my internship at the largest automotive exporter in the US that gives me an edge.
Did you receive a BS in Management with an emphasis in Supply Chain? I've been pretty worried about finding a job.
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Orange Blooded [2669]
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Re: If you would love working for that company stick around.
Jul 27, 2015, 9:10 AM
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I had a bs in management with a minor in supply chain management.
I was dead broke after college and took the first job I interviewed for. It was selling Trugreen law care door to door. Although the pay wasn't terrible, the hours and job itself was absolutely terrible.
I did that for about 4 months all the while looking for jobs. There are a lot of "scam" jobs out there that will contact you so you have to be weary of that.
Finally my mom knew a lady that was family friends with the president of the company I currently work for. I got an interview and the rest is history. I have received two promotions in 2 years and Liking what I am doing.
I have found through myself and friends that it's about who you know. Most good jobs have 100s of applicants every day. Even if you are qualified, it's hard to beat out 100s even 1000s to get an interview for one position. Knowing someone that works for the company helps big time.
Good luck!
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Athletic Dir [881]
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DO NOT PUT OFF GRADUATING
Jul 27, 2015, 12:17 AM
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If the right job isn't there when you finish, then start graduate school. Or continue toward a different bachelor's degree.
At some point (usually 10 years), the classes don't count anymore and you have to redo them.
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Orange Blooded [2218]
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Re: DO NOT PUT OFF GRADUATING
Jul 27, 2015, 12:43 AM
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> If the right job isn't there when you finish, then
> start graduate school. Or continue toward a different
> bachelor's degree.
> At some point (usually 10 years), the classes don't
> count anymore and you have to redo them.
You do realize Clemson's tuition is over 13K per year now. Returning to school wouldn't even be feasible in my opinion.
And I'm no where close to my credits not counting anymore.
This isn't the 1980s. If you don't have some kind of relevant job experience before you graduate, you just wasted 50K on a piece of paper.
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All-In [40929]
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I think you are 100% correct. I have three in college right
Jul 27, 2015, 9:18 AM
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now. Back in the 80's, I could work and pay for my school when I went to Clemson. My kids can't do that. Even with scholarships and a little financial aid and me helping it is still very expensive. They have to get interships, co-ops, community college because I'm not letting them get loans other than a few thousand.
Internships are an excellent way to build a resume. You aren't really putting off graduating as far as life goes. That job experience is every bit if not more relevant than your first job getting out of school. It gives you a break and a little cash and makes interviews much much easier.
6 years is such a short time. I was 27 when I graduated with a MS, they called me grandpa and I felt old. It never mattered. At 33, I started my own engineering company.
Take the internship, knock out the degree a semester later. Internships are a great way to get jobs and learn about the company too.
My oldest daughter is a senior next year. She will most likely have an offer in hand from her summer internship this year. That takes a lot of stress off and she can basically cherry pick interviews for a full time job.
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I agree... Good advice.***
Jul 27, 2015, 10:11 AM
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Re: DO NOT PUT OFF GRADUATING
Jul 27, 2015, 9:39 PM
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I went back and read your original. If you get the offer, ask them if you can finish school and then intern with a degree in hand. They should say yes, unless the company has strict rules. I had an intern one summer who had finished school, and my company had very, very strict rules.
Easy answer.
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110%er [6321]
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I am not sure why you even asked...
Jul 27, 2015, 10:10 PM
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seems like your mind was made up before you posted.....just saying
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Oculus Spirit [93667]
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They'll move the runway if you continue in a holding pattern
Jul 27, 2015, 5:39 AM
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You can't do that kid. All universities change the number and names of required classes. If you haven't lost credits in your major yet you should feel lucky. Go get that skin then find yourself a job.
If you think a company is where you want to work then you don't want to start working for them right out of college, anyway. They all put you on a low starting salary. The only way to get the money you're really worth after the first two years on the job is to change employers. If you don't get the money up front with a company you won't ever get it.
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Re: They'll move the runway if you continue in a holding pattern
Jul 27, 2015, 6:06 AM
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I could get you on as a deckhand ...we utilize supply chain all the time .
Pay is 200/day , you will never see your family and will become sleep deprived after the 6 and 6 schedule starts to take over .
Oh , do you mind scrubbing toilets ? There's that , too .
Stay , graduate ...tour the world . You will get a nice job at some point . You sound like you have it together .
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Orange Blooded [2218]
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Re: They'll move the runway if you continue in a holding pattern
Jul 27, 2015, 8:13 AM
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Why should I feel lucky? I've been considered a full time student at Clemson this whole time. Nearly everyone I know has taken time off for an internship. Graduating in 4 years proves nothing. Employers value experience. A college degree is the equivalent of a high school diploma now a days. I can assure you that my credits aren't going to expire any time soon.
And when does someone cease to be a "kid" now a days? You would think a 23 year old would be considered an adult now, but for some reason out society keeps pushing childhood up until your late 20's. That to me is ridiculous.
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Oculus Spirit [93667]
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Jul 27, 2015, 8:23 AM
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I'm 63 years old to address the age thing. When you get to be 63 you'll look on college aged people as kids too. That's why I'm not attracted to the girls there. Yes, they are beautiful but look too much like my granddaughters to be what I'd consider sexy. I'm just not a pervert like some my age.
As far as the original issue on this thread, you asked for advise. What did you expect from me, a lie?
I had friends who took time outs from the education process and found that the required courses change along with some of the sequencing. They spent extra years in school due to those changes. If you can ignore the time value of money then that probably won't matter.
As far as your thinking you're going to add significant increase to your pay with another co-op job experience, I've had 12 years in construction when I graduated from Clemson's Art and Arch college of Construction Science (Building Science back then) and I had plenty of offers from top paying construction and design build firms but none of them paid me what I believed my experience and talent merited.
I'm sorry any of what I said offended you.
Dan
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Orange Blooded [2218]
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Jul 27, 2015, 8:28 AM
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You didn't offend me. The kid thing just threw me off.
Anyways, I would not be taking this internship for an increase in pay. I would take it to get my foot in the door with this company, or other companies.
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Oculus Spirit [93667]
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OK.
Jul 27, 2015, 8:41 AM
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I get it. You've made up your mind. Never-the-less, unless my old decrepit mind has failed your OP stated you wanted to get a job with this particular firm that offered you the co-op opportunity. That's why I said, 'get it up front.' That's exactly what Streaking told you and you ignore that part of his warning too.
Take the fuking job and slave away for them three years instead of just two but you'll still have to change jobs to get what you deserve for your experience.
When you're retiring remember the wage of that year from 40 years ago and what the principle and interest on that money would mean to your bottom line then.
Think 3K with 40 years ROI or interest.
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Orange Blooded [2438]
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LBB ain't gonna like that first paragraph. ;)***
Jul 27, 2015, 9:03 PM
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Orange Blooded [2438]
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LBB ain't gonna like that first paragraph. ;)***
Jul 27, 2015, 9:04 PM
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All-In [25393]
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My good friends on TNet are offering good advice, pro and
Jul 27, 2015, 6:14 AM
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con.
I have long believed that in our rush to obtain the sheepskin, we push our children into the notion that the degree is the end all. Rather, sometimes work-study may be the better option, for that OJT may help to determine if the course of study is indeed the correct choice. Often, it may help with rapid placement after completion of studies.
I can't tell you what to do, but it sounds as if you are thinking carefully rather than making knee-jerk decisions. Thus, I believe you will eventually choose the best option for yourself, and in that I wish you the best.
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Orange Blooded [2419]
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Re: Career Advice
Jul 27, 2015, 7:37 AM
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Graduate. Work internship during your final year. Prove yourself and use the internship as an extended evaluation period. If your work is good they will reward your efforts. Employers want to see you finish what you start. My two cents.
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Re: Career Advice
Jul 27, 2015, 8:12 AM
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Actually, I think "networking" has about as much to do with getting that special job as anything else. It is sometimes more of "WHO" you know than "WHAT" you know. Companies want employees that "FIT" into their organization, regardless of how smart they are or how smart they think they are. Much like you're doing here, that is the type of person that companies want, so you'll probably be fine with whichever choice you make.
A couple of things stated earlier are great points to remember. Get it upfront because companies don't typically give those huge raises afterwards. But that's later after the FIRST job. You need experience to get your foot in the door for many lucrative jobs, so I would tend towards that internship myself. And to get the money you want later, then you usually need to "move out" to "move up".
FWIW: I'm retired now, but that's been my experience for many years, and I've hired numerous people during my years in management.
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Re: Career Advice
Jul 27, 2015, 8:19 AM
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Thanks Streaking Tiger. This is exactly what I was looking for. A well thought out response.
It seems to me that companies now a days could give a rip if you have a degree. Everyone has a degree now. Companies want to see experience. And actually, when I got the call about this position, the HR person asked me if someone at my current company still worked here. So you're exactly right, it is about who you know.
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Orange Blooded [2563]
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2 Things....
Jul 27, 2015, 8:30 AM
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It sounds like you wanted to hear the advice, that what you wanted to hear.
And it's Not who you know..... It's who know You.
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* knows***
Jul 27, 2015, 8:32 AM
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Re: Career Advice
Jul 27, 2015, 8:44 AM
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Sounds to me like it is time to change your major and start the whole process over again...
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Orange Blooded [2218]
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Re: Career Advice
Jul 27, 2015, 8:47 AM
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Alright, I'll get right on that.
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If I decide to hire any "new grad", I almost always hire
Jul 27, 2015, 10:23 AM
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someone who has interned (successfully) with us. For us, internship is a prolonged job interview and we rarely have to go outside to fill any jobs.
My $0.02.
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Re: Career Advice
Jul 27, 2015, 10:25 AM
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Change your major.... then do grad school.
stay at Clemson as long as possible.
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Experience is often key in landing a job...do the internship
Jul 27, 2015, 10:11 PM
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Graduation will happen.
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Orange Blooded [3510]
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Re: Career Advice
Jul 27, 2015, 10:12 PM
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It appears you don't believe you could get a job with what right now appears to be your "dream" company without doing the internship. Is this based on something, for example they don't hire much? I think taking a year is relatively insignificant, this is especially true when it occurs before you really start working. 15 years from now you may still be chasing the salary you didn't make but in the grand scheme of things the year won't matter. Personally I would go ahead and graduate but I understand the allure of extending and don't think it would be viewed as a negative.
I do disagree with you about a degree being worthless. Quite the contrary, in an environment where everyone has a degree means people who don't have one have an even bigger mark against them.
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Oculus Spirit [93667]
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Yeah, the time value of a year's wages over 40 years...
Jul 28, 2015, 3:42 AM
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is a drop in a bucket, right?
###, when did Clemson get rid of basic economics as a requirement for graduation?
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110%er [5915]
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Jul 27, 2015, 10:17 PM
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take the internship.
Caveat - check how often the courses you need to graduate are taught. If they are only taught in spring or fall semester or every other year - go straight to your advisor or department head and get a substitution done prior to the internship if possible.
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Both options could work.
Jul 27, 2015, 10:54 PM
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Your right on the experience part. Almost all decent jobs require over 2 years in the industry.
When I graduated I already had a small child and a family to support. So I took the first job with a decent company I was offered.
The reality of America these days is that many times it takes several years to gain the experience without making a ton of money.
After working for the smaller company for several years and doing a great job a few of the large competitors took notice, and I was recruited and offered a great job.
I know that some people will disagree, but if you work hard, are reliable, and show your worth then eventually you will get ahead in this country. There are too many people that expect it handed to them by just showing up.
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Orange Blooded [2504]
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Re: Career Advice
Jul 28, 2015, 2:12 AM
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First off, is this a paid internship or freebie? Freebie internships are mostly for chumps. You end up sitting at some clerks desk doing the crap dirty work an 8th grader could do. Some biz experience?...ehh, yeah sometimes a nominal amount. Really it's just seeing what it's like to get to work on-time and learn how to communicate and operate in a real work environment. Sounds like you've probably had some of this type of experience already.
Dude, you're too close to graduating. Unless you're being offered a PAID 6 figure dream job who will let you finish the degree on their tab, get back at it and finish up.
If you're half-way worth your salt, work will be there for you.
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Orange Blooded [2218]
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Re: Career Advice
Jul 28, 2015, 12:00 PM
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It's a paid internship at 18 an hour. Well it seems like everyone here is suggesting that I not take it. I think I might just go ahead a graduate.
Is there anyone on here that works in Supply/Chain logistics?
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Re: Career Advice
Jul 28, 2015, 12:06 PM
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I disagree that internships don't provide real responsibility. When I interned at the largest exporter of vehicles in the United States I was doing the same work that everyone else in my department was doing. I managed 5 suppliers for them.
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Orange Blooded [2504]
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Re: Career Advice
Jul 28, 2015, 6:36 PM
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You had a worthwhile experience then, very good to hear and it will serve you well moving ahead. $18/hour is about the going paid internship rate so the pay side of it is reasonable. However, it's also just enough to potentially get your eye off the main prize.
As others have suggested here, I recommend you discuss your imminent graduation situation with them and see if they can accommodate and possibility even assist with degree completion. Can't hurt to ask. Either way, knock out that degree now. You can see the finish line just press on and cross that sucker.
I promise you the work will always be there.
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