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So what are some of the better ideas to get a handle on NIL issues??
Jan 5, 2022, 8:18 PM
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Curious to see what some of your thoughts are on the board.
Also, what would you think if this eventually led to a minor league system (either with the bigger programs or some start up league)?
Crazy to see some of the things going on around the country with NIL deals and players trying to use leverage to make the bank.
I liked Dabo's idea before of tying the earned NIL money to graduation.
But can't blame the players trying to get all they can at the moment either.
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So not a slam on your post but there's A LOT of confusion
Jan 5, 2022, 8:32 PM
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going on about the difference between NIL and the "transfer portal". So let's start there....
1. NIL is LAW. This isn't created or allowed by the NCAA. This is law that allows players to make money off their image and likeness. The NCAA has no control over NIL. None.
So NIL can't be tied to graduation. It has nothing to do with it.
2. The NCAA does make the rules for transferring. This isn't law and can be voted on by the NCAA Division I Council. They created the new rules that allows players to transfer one time and not be punished by losing the next year of play.
BUT what Dabo mentioned was when a player transfers they must sit out the next season of play just like the old rule, except they can earn that year back upon graduation. I think this idea is brilliant and will limit kids transferring for money and immediate playing time. So many kids are getting bad advice.
Using the old transfer rule with the addition of Dabo's idea will eliminate the transfer portal and bring some much needed stability to every roster in the country. The NCAA Council needs to vote approval on this ASAP as a way to combat NIL.
Then the kids can work on NIL deals within their University as it's original intent. Not as a reoccurring recruiting scheme. It will have to be done or college football will be ruined.
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Re: So not a slam on your post but there's A LOT of confusion
Jan 5, 2022, 8:48 PM
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People do not read which is sad and a huge concern for the future of our nation.
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Re: So not a slam on your post but there's A LOT of confusion
Jan 5, 2022, 11:18 PM
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going on about the difference between NIL and the "transfer portal". So let's start there....
1. NIL is LAW. This isn't created or allowed by the NCAA. This is law that allows players to make money off their image and likeness. The NCAA has no control over NIL. None.
So NIL can't be tied to graduation. It has nothing to do with it.
2. The NCAA does make the rules for transferring. This isn't law and can be voted on by the NCAA Division I Council. They created the new rules that allows players to transfer one time and not be punished by losing the next year of play.
BUT what Dabo mentioned was when a player transfers they must sit out the next season of play just like the old rule, except they can earn that year back upon graduation. I think this idea is brilliant and will limit kids transferring for money and immediate playing time. So many kids are getting bad advice.
Using the old transfer rule with the addition of Dabo's idea will eliminate the transfer portal and bring some much needed stability to every roster in the country. The NCAA Council needs to vote approval on this ASAP as a way to combat NIL.
Then the kids can work on NIL deals within their University as it's original intent. Not as a reoccurring recruiting scheme. It will have to be done or college football will be ruined.
This is what I'm referring to:
https://www.si.com/college/clemson/football/dabo-swinney-clarifies-nil-stance-not-everybody-does-much-research
“I would have liked to have seen it tied to graduation, education. … What I said, whenever that was, I still say. I am against professionalizing college athletics where we get away from the collegiate model and the value of a degree and the value of an education. I’ve never, ever said I’m against name, image and likeness. I think it’s a lot of common sense. I think it could be more. I think it could be tied more to the education process so everybody would have had a little more opportunity. I said that, whenever it was, but people hear what they want to hear."
Regarding transferring, I definitely agree with the point you are referring to.
I'm still on the fence about the 1-time transfer rule and being eligible immediately but I think Dabo's idea would be the better route given what we're seeing now.
Also, I'd like to see a stricter deadline for players to opt out into the portal. The roster management has to be a real pain in the butt to deal with since kids can opt out at practically anytime.
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Re: So what are some of the better ideas to get a handle on NIL issues??
Jan 5, 2022, 8:36 PM
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Cancel it
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Re: So what are some of the better ideas to get a handle on NIL issues??
Jan 5, 2022, 8:46 PM
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Why do you think there are issues? If a player in any sport is a big draw, he or she will likely be approached by companies to represent their products. The vast majority of athletes will earn nothing or very little. NIL has been declared legal, schools have nothing to do with it and it is not going away. Deal with it because the young men and women have a right to earn money according to the rules.
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Re: So what are some of the better ideas to get a handle on NIL issues??
Jan 5, 2022, 9:18 PM
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Schools have everything to do with it.
How do you sell that NIL w/o being on a college FB team which is set up and run by the school. The schools can set up any rules they want for the players as long as they do not discriminate under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 which Makes it illegal to discriminate against someone on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin or sex. The schools cannot prohibit NIL, but they sure can regulate it and control it within the framework of the team rules for players. Players can accept the rules or go elsewhere. No one is guaranteed a spot on any college FB team.
Some ambulance chasing shyster lawyer has led the schools astray.
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Re: So what are some of the better ideas to get a handle on NIL issues??
Jan 6, 2022, 9:16 AM
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The question was what would I do to change or fix the issues.
I answered with my honest opinion.
I don’t need to “deal” with it. It’s not something that is really bothering me. I just don’t like it.
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I think all NIL deals should be structured as such
Jan 5, 2022, 9:03 PM
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Deals must be a 4 years in length with a 5th year bonus, and must tied to 1 school.
- At the end of 1 year, you get 10% of the total contract.
- At the end of year 2, you another 10% of the total contract.
- At the end of year 3, you another 20% of the total contract.
- At the end of year 4, you another 30% of the total contract.
- Upon graduation, you get 30% of the total contract.
Should you stay a 5th year, as long as you graduate, you can get up to a 20% bonus of the total contract.
If you transfer, the contract goes void. You don't have to pay anything back, but you can't take the contract with you to a new school.
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Re: I think all NIL deals should be structured as such
Jan 5, 2022, 11:28 PM
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Deals must be a 4 years in length with a 5th year bonus, and must tied to 1 school.
- At the end of 1 year, you get 10% of the total contract.
- At the end of year 2, you another 10% of the total contract.
- At the end of year 3, you another 20% of the total contract.
- At the end of year 4, you another 30% of the total contract.
- Upon graduation, you get 30% of the total contract.
Should you stay a 5th year, as long as you graduate, you can get up to a 20% bonus of the total contract.
If you transfer, the contract goes void. You don't have to pay anything back, but you can't take the contract with you to a new school.
I think this is a pretty good outline of how it could be for these deals.
I'm sure there'd also be some legal jargon about renegotiating if a player hit major milestones like making All Conference, All American, winning the Heisman, etc
Appreciate the post as this was the kind of conversation I was looking to have with posters-- different ideas that may address the situation just because I'm interested in seeing what some folks say
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As mentioned by Downunder Tiger, laws can be changed,
Jan 6, 2022, 5:25 AM
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which this one warrants.
So, put all the freaking money in a blind trust, untouchable until the recipient fulfills his commitment at the originating program. If he enters the transfer portal before graduation, that money reverts back to the originating program. If he is dismissed by the HC for cause, the money reverts back to the program. If he graduates or leaves early to enter the NFL, he gets the bread ONLY after he sets foot off-campus.
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Re: So what are some of the better ideas to get a handle on NIL issues??
Jan 6, 2022, 6:58 AM
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I would necessarily touch or restrict earnings to students.
I think there should be a focus on creating a level playing field across all states and this law should be addressed at the federal level.
Also, the NCAA can and should restrict boosters. I think the rules need to be tightened up here with regards to boosters paying athletes and penalize the school. Unfortunately, the NCAA doesn't seem interested in enforcing rules.
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Re: So what are some of the better ideas to get a handle on NIL issues??
Jan 6, 2022, 9:50 AM
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I think these ideas are great but my question is where are schools like Clemson that DO NOT have a very large alumni base are going to get the MONEY?????
We are not like Oregon, who has Nike..I personally do not know if any Clemson Alumni who has millions of dollars to throw away like Texas, Texas A&M, the real USC and others. Even our neighbor down the road (USUC) has more money, ie Darla Moore.
I have racked my brain trying to find them or one. Most of Clemson Boosters are like me who Allums and are not millionaires with expendable ?? to throw on Football, Basketball and other sports. The one’s who could make a impact are former players who made it big in the NFL like Watson, Lawrence and others who could give back to Clemson. Even it has been mentioned that Tnet set up a Trust. I think that is a GREAT idea and I would be willing to Donate to it.
If anyone has ideas or individuals or companies who could financially help, put it out there and let’s do it.
GO TIGERS
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Re: So what are some of the better ideas to get a handle on NIL issues??
Jan 6, 2022, 9:53 AM
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We all need to buy community lottery tickets so we ensure our eventual win then find a team nobody can beat ???????????????
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