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Oculus Spirit [97663]
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Gubnah Mack Master's superintendent of education
May 12, 2021, 2:53 PM
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isn't happy. She's a republican as well. Neither is the head of DHEC, who McMaster just appointed.
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“After a thorough legal review of Executive Order 2021-23, the South Carolina Department of Education (SCDE) finds no legal grounds by which the Governor can set aside a policy and regulatory directive issued by another constitutional officer or constitutional board whose power is not derived from the state of emergency nor the Executive Branch but by the South Carolina Constitution and Code of Laws This power is reserved solely for the South Carolina General Assembly. The Governor thoroughly understands the rule of law and surely recognizes this but has been successful in his mission of circumventing public health guidance by inciting hysteria and sowing division in the waning days of the school year.
“Rather than wage a debate over constitutionality that would pit elected officials, students, and families against one another, Superintendent Spearman has, effective immediately, rescinded the state face covering policy with the exception of the school bus requirement that is now required by the federal government. The SCDE recommends school boards and administrators confer with their legal counsel as to what liability protections, if any, are provided by DHEC’s opt out form. Superintendent Spearman and the SCDE continue to urge schools and districts to follow DHEC’s public health guidance as they have throughout the pandemic.”
When asked for a response to SCDOE’s statement, Gov. McMaster’s office said, “The governor appreciates the department’s cooperation and willingness to follow the law.”
According to Executive Order 2021-23,The South Carolina State Department of Education says students still need to have masks with them.
Education leaders were trying to figure out how to implement the order in schools. The State Department of Education said state face covering guidelines would remain in effect before Spearman’s announcement.
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Re: Gubnah Mack Master's superintendent of education
May 12, 2021, 3:15 PM
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Legend [15212]
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I haven't kept up, but what's the big deal if some people
May 12, 2021, 3:20 PM
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still want to wear masks?
I would just leave it up to the individual. If they still want to wear them, then great.
I don't think you should force someone not to wear a mask to school. Leave it up to the parents to decide if they would like their child to wear a mask.
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That's pretty much what the governor is doing...
May 12, 2021, 3:24 PM
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The problems with this are:
1. Does he actually have this authority? Maybe he does, but that seems a little worrisome that he would have this authority over districts and local gov. Hint: Any conservative who decries executive orders and big government should probably oppose this move.
2. School districts, Dept of Ed, nor DHEC were really given a heads up on this. He's just dropped it out of the blue and now expecting them to immediately comply without any prep.
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Re: That's pretty much what the governor is doing...
May 12, 2021, 3:31 PM
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Fair enough
May 12, 2021, 3:37 PM
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I stand by giving all parties involved a little more time to roll out a smooth transition.
My understanding is that this is causing a pretty big blow up between the no-mask parents and the mask parents with school districts caught in the middle.
I guess I'm also puzzled why this happens now... why not just roll it out as an easy clean break over the summer and start fresh with a new school year?
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Re: Fair enough
May 12, 2021, 3:42 PM
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Re: Fair enough
May 12, 2021, 3:53 PM
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Waiting until next year also gives the parents who refuse to have their kids around maskless people time to make alternative educational choices.
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Re: Fair enough
May 12, 2021, 3:57 PM
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His prior EO "urged" them to enact mask mandates
May 12, 2021, 4:23 PM
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They never had to and were not told they had to do so or were forced to do so, as they already had the sole authority to do so or not. Most did, under THEIR authority, at his URGING. This wasn't a power he granted to them then rescinded.
He cites section 2G (doesn't exist). Then Section 13 (C) is where he asks for all levels of government to "to enforce the provisions of this Order and any prior or future Orders issued in connection with the State of Emergency, as necessary and appropriate, in the courts of the State by injunction, mandamus, or other appropriate legal action."
So.....is he asking them to enforce what he "urged"? No, he asked them to enforce what he required/demanded that was under his authority. So he urged counties and cities to enact mask mandates under THEIR emergency authority. He can't say now that he granted them that power so as to prevent them from doing it again.
Here's his PRIOR language in EO 2021-11 (Anyone who can find Section 2(G), let me know....):
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Section 2. Emergency Requirements Regarding Face Coverings A. I hereby urge counties and municipalities of this State to enact or implement appropriate and narrowly tailored emergency ordinances, orders, or other measures requiring individuals to wear a Face Covering, as set forth below and further defined herein, in public settings where they are, will be, or reasonably could be located in close proximity to others who are not members of the same household and where it is not feasible to maintain six (6) feet of separation from such individuals or to otherwise practice effective “social distancing” in accordance with CDC and DHEC guidance. B. I hereby order and direct that individuals shall wear a Face Covering in state government offices, buildings, and facilities in accordance with the guidelines and procedures developed and promulgated by the South Carolina Department of Administration (“Department of Administration”), as authorized herein, in consultation with DHEC. Executive Order No. 2021-11 Page 7 March 1, 2021 C. Subject to any additional or supplemental clarification, guidance, rules, regulations, or restrictions issued, provided, or promulgated by the Department of Administration, the following persons or groups of persons shall not be required to wear a Face Covering in state government offices, buildings, and facilities: 1. A child who is two (2) years old or younger or a child whose parent, guardian, or responsible adult has been unable to place the Face Covering safely on the child’s face. 2. A person who is seeking to communicate with someone who is hearingimpaired in a manner that requires the mouth to be visible. 3. A person with a physical, mental, or behavioral health condition or disability (including, but not limited to, any person who has trouble breathing, or is unconscious or incapacitated, or is otherwise unable to put on or remove a Face Covering without assistance) that prevents wearing a Face Covering, provided that a non-employee or visitor who represents that they cannot wear a Face Covering for one or more of these reasons should not be required to produce documentation or any other form of proof of such a condition. 4. A person who is actively engaged in eating or drinking or obtaining a service that requires access to or visibility of the face. 5. A person who is engaging in strenuous exercise or physical activity. 6. A person who is operating or occupying a vehicle alone or with other persons who are members of the same household. 7. A person who is voting or assisting with the administration of an election, although wearing a Face Covering is strongly encouraged. 8. A person who must remove a Face Covering for purposes of identification or security screening or surveillance. 9. A person who is incarcerated in a correctional institution or short-term detention facility, which shall be governed by the rules and regulations of the applicable agency, institution, or facility. 10. A person for whom wearing a Face Covering would create a risk to the health or safety of the person due to their occupation, job function, or work assignment where wearing a Face Covering would be inconsistent with industry safety standards or protocols or federal, state, or local regulations or guidelines. D. For purposes of this Order, “Face Covering” shall mean a covering of the nose and mouth that is secured to the head with ties, straps, or loops over the ears or is otherwise wrapped around the lower face. A Face Covering can be made of natural or synthetic fabrics and can be handmade or improvised from other items. A face shield that covers the nose and mouth and extends below the chin shall satisfy the Face Covering requirements of this Order. Medical-grade masks or respirators shall satisfy the Face Covering requirements of this Order; however, according to the latest CDC guidance, these critical supplies should be reserved for use by healthcare workers and medical first responders. E. I hereby authorize the Department of Administration to provide or issue any necessary and appropriate additional or supplemental guidance, rules, regulations, or restrictions regarding the application of this Section or to otherwise provide clarification regarding the same, through appropriate means, without the need for further Orders. Executive Order No. 2021-11 Page 8 March 1, 2021 F. This Section shall not apply to buildings or structures, or portions thereof, that are occupied or controlled by agencies, departments, officials, or employees of the Legislative or Judicial Branches of the State of South Carolina, which shall be governed by their respective orders, rules, or regulations.
Source: https://governor.sc.gov/sites/default/files/Documents/Executive-Orders/2021-03-01%20FINAL%20Executive%20Order%20No.%202021-11%20-%20Modifying%20%20Amending%20Emergency%20Measures.pdf
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Re: His prior EO "urged" them to enact mask mandates
May 12, 2021, 4:33 PM
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Oculus Spirit [97663]
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He's creating a power to deny local governemnts a right
May 12, 2021, 4:44 PM
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previously they had. That's how I read it. DeSantis did this in Florida, when things were far worse than here. Kemp did it in Georgia. McMaster is finally hopping on board. And both governors used the same legal technique. They acted as if their prior EO bestowed localities with that authority, then rescinded that authority (never given), making them unable to pass any local measures. It's a pure power grab.
Watch. If cases go up, and some town, or county enacts a mask ordinance, and McMaster doesn't, then you can rest assured you will see what happened in Florida and GA happen here. Broward County had a mask mandate in effect. It was forced to be rescinded by DeSantis using the same measure.
Here's how The State reads it:
SC schools, local governments may no longer impose mask mandates, governor orders
https://www.thestate.com/news/local/education/article251317653.html
Better yet, hit play on the video and pay attention to what he says, then look at his current EO. You can see the duplicity. This video is what shows the 180 he took.
https://www.live5news.com/2020/06/26/gov-mcmaster-hold-friday-afternoon-briefing-covid-/
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Re: And yes, DHEC could go full-out China and round up
May 12, 2021, 4:46 PM
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Oculus Spirit [97663]
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But he didn't do that. Instead he said this
May 12, 2021, 5:03 PM
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“I’m also calling on local leadership,” he said. ”This is a time for local leadership. Local leadership is the answer to where we are going. We’re hoping for the best, but we need to prepare for the worst. And the way to prepare for the worst is to have local leadership involved in stopping the spread.”
One-Eighty
https://www.live5news.com/2020/07/29/mcmaster-state-health-officials-holding-press-conference/
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Re: But he didn't do that. Instead he said this
May 12, 2021, 5:13 PM
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Re: But he didn't do that. Instead he said this
Feb 24, 2016, 10:18 PM
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“E. This Section shall not be interpreted, applied, implemented, or construed in a manner so as to prohibit any county, municipality, or political subdivision of this State from promulgating guidelines regarding the use of Face Coverings by its employees or in government offices, buildings, and facilities that are consistent with guidance from DHEC or from implementing appropriate measures or undertaking efforts to “reasonably adhere[] to public health guidance” for purposes of the South Carolina COVID-19 Liability Immunity Act (R-39, S. 147).
Yes counties and municipalities can force their employees to wear masks, or for people to wear them in their buildings. Mentions nothing about ordinances impacting the public, or private businesses or buildings.
Oh, and the South Carolina COVID-19 Liability Immunity Act is what concerned the state Superintendent of Education and DHEC today:
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SECTION 4. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a covered entity or covered individual that reasonably adheres to public health guidance applicable at the time the conduct giving rise to a coronavirus claim occurs shall be entitled to immunity from liability for any acts or omissions resulting in a coronavirus claim. This immunity will not apply: (1) for claims arising pursuant to SECTION 3(1)(b), if a claimant proves by a prepronderance of the evidence that the covered entity or covered individual caused the injury or damage by: (a) grossly negligent, reckless, wilful, or intentional misconduct; or (b) a failure to make any attempt to adhere to public health guidance; or (2) for all other claims, if the claimant proves by clear and convincing evidence that the covered entity or covered individual caused the injury or damage by: (a) grossly negligent, reckless, wilful, or intentional misconduct; or (b) a failure to make any attempt to adhere to public health guidance.
So you don't have to wear a mask, even though DHEC recommends their use in schools, and the CDC still recommends their use in schools, but since the Gubnah says that doesn't matter, it opens the schools to liability. Which is why a waiver has been included in the DHEC form. That way they can at least inform the parent they're not liable if their kid brings home covid, as they're opting out of recommended public health guidance, thanks to the power-hungry governor's order. It's a freaking mess. Luckily cases are low and there's only two weeks left of school.
Oh, and by the way, the good gubnah one-upped DeSantis: https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2021/05/03/desantis-order-ending-local-mask-rules-does-not-apply-to-schools/
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Re: But he didn't do that. Instead he said this
May 12, 2021, 5:52 PM
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There's two weeks left in the school year
May 12, 2021, 7:58 PM
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First off. Second, I'm fine if my son doesn't wear a mask at school. Third, I'm more concerned about the play on local governments. Fourth I want it to end as well. It ends when we have 7-9 months of low cases. Just based on what the rest of the planet is showing, that's the time frame. We're almost 2 months into that now.
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Again, I know very little. I think with the vaccine so
May 12, 2021, 3:53 PM
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widely available that a mask requirement makes little sense. I guess I would just allow schools and businesses to do whatever they want to do and parents to do whatever they want to do.
That doesn't seem like an over reach but i guess implementing that is difficult? No idea.
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Re: Again, I know very little. I think with the vaccine so
May 12, 2021, 3:55 PM
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I think definitely at this stage and where we will likely be in the summer, lifting the ordinance for next school year makes a lot of sense. Not so much lifting it right now with just a few days left.
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kids can't get the vaccine yet. those that will be able to
May 12, 2021, 7:50 PM
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won't be fully protected until the summer. there's only 2.5 weeks left in school whre I am. I think yesterday's proclamation was just grandstanding...why not just wait until everyone is eligible to get a vaccine? oh, because that is going to happen AFTER school is out and no one will care as much about it then.
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Re: kids can't get the vaccine yet. those that will be able to
May 12, 2021, 7:53 PM
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I think masks are beneficial when they are stopping the resp
May 12, 2021, 7:59 PM
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respitory droplets full of viral particles as the leave someone's mouth ...therefore, not allowing the droplets to evaporate and the viral particles free to roam. I think they help minimally to protect the wearer, so thanks for your advice. Nevertheless, I will send my kid with a mask and a filter and trust the teachers to keep them from breathing on each other.
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edit...I think standard issue cloth/disposable masks are not
May 12, 2021, 8:02 PM
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as beneficial to the wearer if others aren't wearing them. I think N95, KN95, and the like are better than nothing, so that's what I'll send the boy to school with for the next 12 days.
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Re: Gubnah Mack Master's superintendent of education
May 12, 2021, 3:50 PM
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She has a point. It doesn't seem McMaster is operating much out of common sense but rather just playing politics.
I am of the opinion that it's time to move on from masks next school year unless a parent requires their kid to do it. But dropping this move at this time in this fashion doesn't speak well to the governor.
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Agree. Just keep them 2 more weeks. Then summer.
May 12, 2021, 8:23 PM
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Then if everything's good, ditch them in August. It is totally a political move, but it is unnecessary. But again with the schools, I'm not as concerned as what he did neutering local governments because they were the ONLY reason we had masks last time when they were really needed. Just a really bad political move, because that's what it was.
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