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Rock Defender [53]
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UMASS player comes out
Apr 9, 2014, 11:54 AM
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Ridiculous.
In other news:
Water is wet
Soccer sucks
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Heisman Winner [139852]
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Comes out? Please elaborate.
Apr 9, 2014, 11:56 AM
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I'm trusting you with this as I don't have the energy to look it up myself.
Don't let me down.
TIA IA.
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Oculus Spirit [96791]
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Good work bob. Luke, take notes from bob.***
Apr 9, 2014, 12:01 PM
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: Comes out? Please elaborate.
Apr 9, 2014, 11:58 AM
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Sorry....
He has officially announced he is a homosexual. That's his choice. Not one i agree with......but his choice.
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Legend [15907]
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Are you saying you not agree that he is homosexual?
Apr 9, 2014, 12:16 PM
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Please let me know, your opinion on this is important.
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Oculus Spirit [81607]
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You disagree with his choice to announce it?
Apr 9, 2014, 1:22 PM
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Or are you ignorantly and stupidly implying that you believe people who are homosexual actually choose to be homosexual?
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: You disagree with his choice to announce it?
Apr 9, 2014, 2:07 PM
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I don't believe anyone is born a homosexual. Zero proff of it!
This gay thing fires you up. Got something to tell us?
Look....I understand this subject is dear to your heart. Look soccer, if you're gay so be it. But don't tell this forum you were born that way. Cause that in itself is stupid.
Saying someone is born that is stupid......just like soccer.
Imo of course
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Oculus Spirit [81607]
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I'm happily married to a Clemson girl you dimwit.
Apr 9, 2014, 2:10 PM
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And you are indeed ignorantly stupid.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: I'm happily married to a Clemson girl you dimwit.
Apr 9, 2014, 2:15 PM
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Of course you are.
What's his name?
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110%er [5156]
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You're a real scholar.****
Apr 9, 2014, 2:52 PM
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Re: You disagree with his choice to announce it?
Apr 9, 2014, 3:23 PM
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Yes, people choose to subject themselves to a lifetime of hatred and chastisement from the likes of ignorant mouthbreathers.
It all makes sense now.
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Re: You disagree with his choice to announce it?
Apr 9, 2014, 3:38 PM
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Wow, tough language there. So anyone who disagrees with your assesment is "ignorant and stupid"?
Here are some facts:
1. Many sets of identical twins have both a hetrosexual and homosexual identifier. In fact, in Australian case studies only 11% of the co-twins had same-sex attraction. It was even less (7.7%) in the US case study.
2. Identical twins share identical DNA and share equal pre-natal conditions, therefore it is not a stretch to discount genetics as the primary cause.
And FYI, as late as 1973 homosexuality was classified in the US as mental illness (National Institute of Mental Health).
One could make the leap that political correctness may have influenced the change in classification.
While we have free will and choice is part of any action or lifestyle we embrace, the more likely culprit is childhood influence, such as exposure to pornography, sexual abuse, etc... nurture vs. nature
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: You disagree with his choice to announce it?
Apr 9, 2014, 3:49 PM
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I'm honestly impressed that there are still such eloquent arguments intended to paint the picture that homosexuality is a choice. Speaking of political motivation - I can only imagine the landscape of public opinion at the time when homosexuality was deemed "a mental illness."
I was under the impression that over time, scientific understanding changed. It was near consensus in 1500 A.D. that the world was flat, too. But we learn things, and as we reach new consensus on the nature of being from a scientific standpoint, it becomes increasingly desperate to cling age old "truisms" to avoid what makes us uncomfortable.
Can you link to that study. Also, there's a difference between something being passed down from parents to offspring (genetics) and something being inherent within one's own personality. Stay tuned - science establishes your position as false with more and more consensus as each day passes.
If you think it's the politics motivating the science and not the other way around, you're not paying attention. I think politics is evolving to reflect what's pretty obvious --- there are some kids who are attracted to the same sex at a very early age, all else things equal.
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Oculus Spirit [81607]
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I just like how he said all of that, then ended it with
Apr 9, 2014, 3:50 PM
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"childhood influence"...so once again, how exactly is it a choice?
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Re: I just like how he said all of that, then ended it with
Apr 9, 2014, 3:52 PM
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Funny how my brother and I grew up in the same conditions with the same role models and same influence, yet that little rebel chose his own path! We all tried to tell him it was a phase, but apparently he didn't listen! LOL
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Oculus Spirit [81607]
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I don't get it, why doesn't he just choose to not be gay?***
Apr 9, 2014, 3:53 PM
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: I don't get it, why doesn't he just choose to not be gay?***
Apr 9, 2014, 3:55 PM
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Just hard headed, and he never liked Leviticus much. That's all I can figure. Haha.
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Oculus Spirit [96791]
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Re: Why don't ewe two get a room?***
Apr 9, 2014, 3:56 PM
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Hey --- that's my choice! And I choose NOT to! It's that simple. It has nothing to do with an innate sense of attraction (or lack there of)
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Oculus Spirit [96791]
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krzy is a handsome dood
Apr 9, 2014, 3:57 PM
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You won't be disappointed.
Signed,
GWP
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Re: krzy is a handsome dood
Apr 9, 2014, 4:01 PM
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I thought he went to one of them camps and got rid of his problem?
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Heisman Winner [105574]
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Hey! I chose to be straight!
Apr 9, 2014, 4:12 PM
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Unless krzy is around, then it's anything goes.
Wait, wut?
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Oculus Spirit [96791]
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You think maybe it's because krzy
Apr 9, 2014, 4:14 PM
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had that ##### change operation?
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Re: You think maybe it's because krzy
Apr 9, 2014, 4:17 PM
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So that's why he's so moody?
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AND why she is so quick to bring up past mistakes &
Apr 9, 2014, 4:25 PM
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grind your face in it - just like a wimmens right there ! !
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Oculus Spirit [81607]
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Okay, just because I have a satchel does not mean I'm a girl***
Apr 9, 2014, 4:31 PM
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Oculus Spirit [96791]
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Right
Apr 9, 2014, 4:37 PM
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not any more
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Re: I like how you didn't read my post very thoroughly
Apr 9, 2014, 4:05 PM
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I have, and I'm not scorned. It seemed as if you were supporting an assumption that only exists because "we've always done it that way."
Apologies if I came off as aggressive.
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Re: Fine
Apr 9, 2014, 4:42 PM
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Is this the part where I go to Google Scholar and get refuting published studies that suggest that it is, at least, partially genetic?
I think I'll just stick to my original claim, in that it's not some deviant choice that people consciously make.
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CU Guru [1366]
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I would suggest you read them first before assuming bias...
Apr 10, 2014, 4:08 PM
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You may actually find said other studies quoted and/or referenced.
And I'll stick with MY original claim, that identical DNA/pre-natal condition twins quite often have one heterosexual individual and one SSA, Thus disproving a purely genetic-based causality theory.
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Re: You disagree with his choice to announce it?
Apr 9, 2014, 4:45 PM
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When you say being gay is a choice you are saying you yourself could make that choice. There's where we differ, there has never been a time in my life I could have chosen to be gay. Further, even if they did choose, I doubt most gays could choose to change to hetero so what's the diff whether it was a choice or not.
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Oculus Spirit [81607]
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Uh, what?***
Apr 9, 2014, 4:50 PM
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Re: You disagree with his choice to announce it?***
Apr 9, 2014, 5:06 PM
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Re: You disagree with his choice to announce it?***
Apr 9, 2014, 5:09 PM
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Word on the street is he likes the low post position when he
Apr 9, 2014, 2:06 PM
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receives the ball the slams it. I just hope the Plumlee boy is not around to block it with time running out. Just sayn'
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Legend [19590]
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Heard he's great at guarding the point!!
Apr 9, 2014, 12:00 PM
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But lousy at defendin the back door cut.
Ba dum dum.
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Oculus Spirit [96791]
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How is he at
Apr 9, 2014, 12:01 PM
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penetrating to the hole?
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: How is he at
Apr 9, 2014, 12:03 PM
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Gross.
In other news:
Soccer sucks
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Heisman Winner [139852]
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Better than you are at defending yours I hope.***
Apr 9, 2014, 12:07 PM
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Crappy?***
Apr 9, 2014, 12:16 PM
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110%er [8008]
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I wonder when every UNC and Duke player will come out.
Apr 9, 2014, 12:11 PM
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They're all gay.
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I didn't know bob played for UMASS?***
Apr 9, 2014, 12:13 PM
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He's the mop boy for them - cause he's closest to the floor
Apr 9, 2014, 12:59 PM
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Not to be confused with pi$$ boy - wait for the shake !
hth this helps
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YAWN!!!!
Apr 9, 2014, 3:16 PM
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Not sure why sports media gets so excited about this. I doubt a very significant portion of the sports enthusiast population cares that much.
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If you don't think this is news,
Apr 9, 2014, 3:31 PM
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why are you posting about it?
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Junkie [569]
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To claim it is genetic or a choice are equally ignorant
Apr 9, 2014, 3:36 PM
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In that they are opinionated. I side with no particular argument because there has been no substantial, empirical evidence supporting one side or the other. The verdict is still out so to claim your knowledge is superior is more foolish than the person who claims to have no knowledge on the matter. Regardless, I truly feel my generation has gotten past the "stigma" of homosexuality and myself, along with others, are more than ready to accept homosexuality as a commonality if the media will allow for it.
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Junkie [569]
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Just to play devil's advocate
Apr 9, 2014, 4:10 PM
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Why is it out of consideration to think that people don't choose to identify with alternative/deviant lifestyles? A person can grow up being told that drugs are bad for you and will destroy your life. However, when certain people try drugs they quickly find out that they find great joy in them and decide to assume the life of a drug abuser. Regardless of conditions such as mother and father abusing drugs in the household, this person still had the capacity to decide one way or the other. Now, I understand this is not the best example since homosexuality can enhance the quality of ones life in the long run while drugs is certain to decrease quality of life in the long run, but the principle remains the same: a lifestyle predicated off of joy/satisfaction rather than conformity or morality. Many claim "why would a person choose this lifestyle considering all of the criticism that goes along with it?" Easy. People often make decisions that maximize happiness/satisfaction regardless of consequences (drug abuse, homosexuality, sex change operations, skipping work or school, etc.). Just to be clear, I am not siding with one argument or the other, and my examples are only connected through principle of "decisions", but my point is I'm not sure how some of you claim to be certain one way or the other. Either way we should not harbor anger because regardless of how a person came to identify as a homosexual this makes them no more or no less than other sexual lifestyles.
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Oculus Spirit [81607]
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First, what are you doing to have your posts not reply to
Apr 9, 2014, 4:19 PM
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the proper location? Are you using the mobile version of the site?
Second, using the drug analogy is a horrible one for many reasons. One of which being that drugs physically alter your brain circuitry to make you crave them more, it's called addition. Another is I do not have a craving whatsoever to try homosexuality, I am physically and emotionally not attracted to the same-sex. I cannot magically flip a switch to become attracted to men.
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First, yes I am using my mobile which has no bearing on our discussion
Apr 9, 2014, 5:25 PM
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So thanks for being petty. I can tell that's your MO from forming lists to saving peoples posts for years at a time so you can win the internet. Second, maybe you don't like men because it doesn't bring you the satisfaction that liking women does. You're right, it isn't magic. People become gay because something (genetics, environment, choice) makes them want to do it. Speaking of "addition", you do realize having sex rewires your brain as well right? Hard to know if your g@y when you haven't actually had intimacy with that particular sex. Nobody gets an "addition" or fansy for something until they have chosen to engage in it. Whether that's their choice or not is something neither you nor I can confidently claim.
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Oculus Spirit [81607]
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How is that "being petty"? B-Meist has asked me to find
Apr 9, 2014, 5:32 PM
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examples of the issue I was explaining and we're trying to fix it so the reply goes the proper spot. So how again am I being petty in asking why your replies are in the wrong spot?
And again you're wrong. Even as a kid, I had no physical or emotional attraction towards the same-sex, so stop trying to compare drugs to homosexuality, because you're wrong in 5 different ways. Sex doesn't re-wire the addiction center of your brain like drugs either, don't try to compare that whenever you're wrong.
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Ok soccerkrzy, but exactly where do we stand on
Apr 9, 2014, 5:37 PM
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that bikini pics of your wife thing? Can we expect those soon?
TIA in advance
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Re: First, yes I am using my mobile which has no bearing on our discussion
Apr 9, 2014, 5:34 PM
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"Hard to know if your g@y when you haven't actually had intimacy with that particular sex."
I'm pretty sure an individual knows what they are attracted to and what they aren't attracted to without bringing intimacy into it. It ain't that complicated.
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Re: UMASS player comes out
Apr 9, 2014, 4:24 PM
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Is this even news anymore? Gay people are out there. They are in pretty much every occupation. I don't even get why anyone cares enough to argue in threads over this anymore.
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Re: UMASS player comes out
Apr 9, 2014, 4:31 PM
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Hey Luke...
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Re: UMASS player comes out
Apr 9, 2014, 4:44 PM
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This
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Orange Blooded [2351]
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May reply above was intended for the thread in general
Apr 9, 2014, 5:36 PM
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Sorry soccer I think it appeared as a response to your post. Not meant to be.
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Re: UMASS player comes out
Apr 9, 2014, 9:07 PM
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Was he one of their five 5th year seniors on the roster this past season? Graduate already.
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