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Just so I’m clear, football transfers are no big deal

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Dec 11, 2021, 7:33 PM

because they weren’t “all in” and/or weren’t going to contribute to the team, and are not a reflection of recruiting or coaching.

But basketball transfers are indicative of poor recruiting and/or poor player development, and show that our basketball coaches don’t understand roster management.

Is that correct, TNet experts?

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Dec 11, 2021, 7:34 PM

Hold on! Let me get my popcorn and another beer!

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Dec 11, 2021, 7:35 PM

I will take one to if you have spares

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Dec 11, 2021, 10:38 PM

Natty Lights, got plenty! I don’t drink any of that IPA crap.

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No.

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Dec 11, 2021, 7:35 PM

I think this is the deal:

Our football coach is a proven winner, and our basketball coach suckks.

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So the double standard continues.

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Dec 11, 2021, 7:38 PM

Just as I thought.

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Re: So the double standard continues.

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Dec 11, 2021, 7:41 PM

Do you think my opinion of our basketball coach is holding Brad back from having success?

I did not know I had that power.

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No, it doesn’t.


Dec 11, 2021, 7:41 PM

I’m not sure why you think that’s relevant.

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Then what is your concern?***


Dec 11, 2021, 7:43 PM



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Re: So the double standard continues.***


Dec 11, 2021, 8:05 PM



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Dec 11, 2021, 8:05 PM

Life continues

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What does that have to do with transfers?***


Dec 11, 2021, 7:42 PM



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Nothing, but it’s all he has.

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Dec 11, 2021, 7:43 PM

He knows he’s a hypocrite, but he won’t admit it.

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Kind of like how are football team needs top notch

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Dec 11, 2021, 7:47 PM

facilities but our basketball team doesn't need a full size practice court?

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Awww that’s the problem?

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Dec 11, 2021, 7:52 PM

Their practice court is too small?

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Until our recent upgrades, the ONLY fullsize court we had

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Dec 11, 2021, 8:03 PM

was the playing surface of Littlejohn...If you think that didn't effect recruiting, I would love to hear your theory on why

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Oh. So they DO have a full size practice court.

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Dec 11, 2021, 8:04 PM

Got it.

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Our local HS has had 2 full size courts for many years.***

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Dec 11, 2021, 11:41 PM



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Okay…***


Dec 12, 2021, 7:41 AM



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Exactly, because a good basketball coach should excel without great facilities


Dec 11, 2021, 7:52 PM

but they are essential for football success.

Funny how the basketball funding naysayers would freak out if we downgraded our football facilities.

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Re: Exactly, because a good basketball coach should excel without great facilities

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Dec 11, 2021, 7:55 PM

Basketball just got a new locker room with tv screens above each locker to display a cartoon image of each player.

I guess that was essential. Money well spent. Who made that decision?

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DRad, who thankfully understood what our basketball program needs


Dec 11, 2021, 11:51 PM

and also recognized that Brad is a good coach.

Thankfully, Graham Neff gets it too.

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Wait.


Dec 12, 2021, 6:16 AM

So… we needed cartoon pictures of the players above their lockers?

Everything else must be all set now if money was wisely spent on cartoons.
Good to know.

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Re: No.

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Dec 11, 2021, 7:44 PM

Bball post are really not relevant to some Clemson fans until it has been proven that Clemson is serious about being good in basketball. In my opinion that left when Barnes and OP left. That’s just my opinion don’t mean any disrespect to any bball fans but seriously today there are people arguing over an OT win against Drake. Let that sink in! We are in a top tier bball conference and I would not have been surprised if we would have lost. Clemson just does not invest in bball. If they did fire Brownell who would we possibly hire to replace him. Just not thinking the head coaching job at Clemson is a huge get. I wish I was wrong and maybe to some I am way off base and that is fine but it’s all about results and it’s been the same mediocrity for years.

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MEG


Your butthurt over our successful football program...

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Dec 11, 2021, 7:38 PM

...is going to give you an ulcer I'm afraid.

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Dec 11, 2021, 7:40 PM



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Just like with basketball

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Dec 11, 2021, 7:39 PM

people overreact when a player transfers out. Very, very few of the kids that have transferred out in basketball or football have had a major impact anywhere else. Basketball has brought in good players through the portal, and football will as well. Football just recruits on the high school level far better, so they'll still try to focus there much more than the portal

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Thank you for being reasonable.

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Dec 11, 2021, 7:41 PM

A huge rarity here.

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Not really


Dec 11, 2021, 8:00 PM

you just pay to much attention to the rabble. People who know basketball understand the portal. Most are not upset we take transfers, but rather with not being what they think the program should be. Good win today. They need to close this month strong. This team has talent, they've just been awful in the last 5 minutes of close games.

As I've said in football, it's not so much coaching as players making plays. That's what football lacked this year. Brad didn't lose those games. Players played poorly down the stretch

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Dec 11, 2021, 8:18 PM

Okay. But when we find ourselves saying “players played poorly down the stretch” fairly consistently for 12 years, at some point that has to fall on the head coach.

This is where a double standard helps the basketball coach. No way a football coach here lasts anywhere near 12 years with these lackluster results.

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If you don't have the horses, you don't win


Dec 11, 2021, 8:32 PM

many races against better horses. Football gets way better horses. If it didn't, you'd be right. The coach wouldn't be here near as long

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That's certainly what we were led to believe by the critics

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Dec 11, 2021, 7:41 PM

of Clemson Basketball

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Thanks for your input.

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Dec 11, 2021, 7:42 PM

Now you can log back in as Judge Keller.

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I was here long before he got here Ace***


Dec 11, 2021, 7:44 PM



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Yes, that’s correct.

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Dec 11, 2021, 7:42 PM

Funny how they are changing their tune now that it’s happening to our football program.

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Dec 11, 2021, 7:50 PM

What percentage of the roster does a transfer each represent to each program? Did the transfers represent equal playing time at their respective positions? Does that make a difference? Also, who said football transfers don’t matter? More specifically who said football transfers don’t matter that also said basketball transfers do? Assuming you have no answer then I’ll check this off as another disingenuous thread from JK.

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Dec 11, 2021, 7:55 PM

You know the Judge trolls to get a reaction? Remember there is an ignore function...

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Dec 11, 2021, 8:08 PM

I’m really just a JK sock account. I’m that desperate for attention.

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Feel free to gather that data and get back to us.

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Dec 11, 2021, 7:55 PM

My point is that basketball transfers here trigger the anti-Brownell crowd and their ridiculous criticisms of him as a coach, whereas football transfers seem to never be a coaching problem.

I find the hypocrisy hilarious.

I don’t expect any admissions of guilt here, but I can hope.

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Dec 11, 2021, 8:07 PM

If you’re accusing folks of hypocrisy I think the onus is on you, the accuser, to offers some specifics. Who, exactly, complained about one but defended the other. Otherwise I will continue to assume you are trolling, as usual. Here is a fact though. Every scholarship basketball transfer represents 7.7% of the roster. Every football scholarship transfer represents 1.2% of the roster. Further adjusted for actual playing time it would be easy to make a credible argument that any given basketball transfer is more problematic than any given football transfer. But I don’t know any posters who have actually made the arguments that you are alleging. Many posters freak out at both. Many defend both. Any you are just trolling.

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Dec 11, 2021, 8:45 PM

Honestly I get confused by you but never have responded. I am a Clemson fan. I never went there. I went to USC-S running rifles. My dad did and have loved them since a boy. With all that I didnt like the Brad way cause every year was a new 3 to 4 players. I couldnt get to know and grow with the team. At least with Purnell these guys got good every few years but you knew them. Football will get that way for me to im sure due to the new rules. Dabo will need to adjust. Free agency sucks.

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Dec 11, 2021, 8:02 PM

Its to much B Ball talk around here. We are a football school dammmit!

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Dec 11, 2021, 8:07 PM

Soccer is playing for a Natty tomorrow!

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Dec 11, 2021, 8:15 PM

Soccer gets a pass, it's kinda football.

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Dec 11, 2021, 8:11 PM

I think it’s a more fair point for football than basketball due to the number of players on a team. If a basketball player transfers that’s about 10% of your team, if a football player does it’s roughly 1%. I understand your frustration from attacks against you and the basketball team, but it’s an apples to oranges comparison, two different sports, two different impacts, scholarships, etc.

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Dec 11, 2021, 8:12 PM

I’m afraid you’re trying to explain this in linear fashion, when everybody knows that basketball must be understood circularly at the very least, and spherically is even better.

Only 5 guys are necessary to play basketball, since the same guys play both offense and defense. Football requires a minimum of 50-60 (NFL roster), + a squad to draw from in case of injury. But colleges cannot sign free agents in mid-year, so you need that 75-85, + a practice squad, to start each season.

Today Drake used 6 players to consume 225 minutes of playing time, with one more guy playing minimally. Nobody fouled out. So how many do they really need? Let the rest transfer, if anyone will take them!

Brownell has historically been different. He has tried to develop a 11- or 12-man rotation during non-conference play so that he would have more depth once we got into the ACC schedule. I think it has helped him steal a few conference wins during regular season play. However, when he is splitting time like that, he prioritizes the better defensive players, which is usually the grad transfer types instead of the freshmen with big upside. And that rotation hasn’t helped in the postseason at all.

So Omax and Lynn took their spherical objects to a place that wouldn’t penalize them for their defensive limitations, right? They got tired of playing <5 minutes per game.

This year We will see if we can somehow become better by not sharing so much of the clock (addition by subtraction) because we don’t have the skilled players to split the time. An 8-man rotation will probably kill us in conference play. However, we get beat every year by teams playing 6-8 players, so I guess it’s our turn to see just how good these 7 or 8 or 9 can be.

There. I’m done. I tried to use round logic for you, Judge, but I’m not sure I succeeded.

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Your post is great, thank you.


Dec 12, 2021, 12:01 AM

I agree that Brad’s desire in developing 10-12 players can backfire sometimes, as with Prosper and Kidd.

I think the philosophy is sound, since he is big on having a strong defense and playing tough D is tiring. The last thing you want is a team full of tired players who don’t have the energy to score or to finish out games.

However, guys certainly want to play, so I get why he tries to play a lot of guys. It should theoretically keep guys more interested and engaged, and thus happy. It isn’t likely to keep the four star guys like Prosper and Kidd happy though.

That’s one area that I would like to see Brad improve upon. If a guy can score, or brings a ton of energy, I’d like to see him get a few extra minutes even if his defense isn’t ideal. Hemenway, for example, seems to really energize us. He isn’t the defender that Chase Hunter is, but I feel that the net positive for the team is higher with Hemenway in the game based on his shooting and general basketball smarts. I don’t have any stats to back that up, and I am sure Brownell does, but that’s my perception. Just my $0.02.

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Dec 11, 2021, 8:12 PM

Shut your mouth you pos garbage poster.

ive never seen a more arrogant mf on these here internets then you.




Clown

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Dec 11, 2021, 8:16 PM

All his teams look the same, multiple minute scoring droughts each half, sometimes 6-7 minutes

Late 3 point shots as the clock runs down with the ball never going in the lane

Not sure facilities etc fix that

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Dec 11, 2021, 8:18 PM

C’mon man. I think your heart’s in the right place with supporting the basketball team but these passive aggressive knocks on the football team, coaches and fans are too much sometimes. You know this isn’t a valid comparison.

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Dec 11, 2021, 8:22 PM

I think your shtick is getting tired amongst the masses.

Are you into the hard stuff tonight?

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Dec 11, 2021, 9:10 PM

I still enjoy it.

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That’s not the point me and other people are making.


Dec 11, 2021, 8:27 PM

Our basketball program seems to have a philosophy of relying heavily on transfers versus recruiting kids and developing them, which is what the football program does. I see the portal as a way to build depth, create stability, and in general supplement our recruiting and development. The portal should not be used to build a program, but used to support recruiting and as a counterbalance to injuries and players leaving.

Our basketball program appears to lean on the portal as a way of building the program your hours are football program doesn’t use the portal at all but should to help with depth, transfers, and injuries.

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Dec 11, 2021, 8:32 PM

I think Brad has been unable to recruit the HS players he’s wanted although I think Hall is really good. Therefore he’s had to rely more on the portal because he knows he’s under the gun to produce some results. It’s kind of a vicious cycle to be stuck in now.

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Dude, what is the point of this?


Dec 11, 2021, 8:29 PM

Maybe I’m not on enough to see who you are trying to poke with this, but have you considered taking the high road with the trolls, instead of dropping to their level?

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Dec 11, 2021, 8:32 PM

Basketball transfers won’t really matter when BB wins 3 ACC titles in a row , makes the final four 2 times and wins a Natty!!! Let’s do that and then he will get the same treatment and belief!!!

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Dec 11, 2021, 8:42 PM

Judge, it's not good in either sport. There you go.

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Dec 11, 2021, 9:02 PM

You obviously hate Clemson football, why are you here?

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I don’t hate the football program at all.


Dec 12, 2021, 12:05 AM

What I do hate are the smug, borderline arrogant football fans here who pile on every other sport (including basketball) and are hypercritical of them, but seemingly have no ability to ever admit any issues with the football team.

They believe that the football team is perfect, Dabo is not to be questioned, and anyone who feels differently is a troll, a Coot, or hates the football program.

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Dec 12, 2021, 12:38 AM


What I do hate are the smug, borderline arrogant football fans here who pile on every other sport (including basketball) and are hypercritical of them, but seemingly have no ability to ever admit any issues with the football team.

They believe that the football team is perfect, Dabo is not to be questioned, and anyone who feels differently is a troll, a Coot, or hates the football program.



This is probably correct…but it’s due to the results on the field…I’m the arena…results matter…very few wanted Dabo hired…even fewer wanted to
Keep him after year 2 when we were 6-6 and lost to USF in the mayo bowl…people were very pissed when we gave up 70 to WVU in the orange bowl…

Get over your self dude…our basketball team has been mediocre to bad for over 10 years … flashes of deceny but that’s the best descriptor possible…

We are all pulling for US and want US to be successful but let’s be honest…the only reason BB and you still have a job is because it’s just not that important to people who matter…then again, maybe that’s why y’all were hired to start with and why you can’t do better…nobody really cares that much about it…because if they did…you wouldn’t still be around and neither would this staff!!! It kinda goes hand in hand Iah!!! In other words, be grateful that no one really cares because you still have a job and stop trying to cut off the hand that feeds you!!!

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Dec 12, 2021, 12:40 AM

I was waiting for this thread!! Haha!

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Careful Judge


Dec 12, 2021, 1:06 AM

I said something slightly critical, but obvious about the football program recently and got absolutely reamed. Hopefully Dabo gets things in order, he's obviously shown he can.

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For relaxing times, make it Suntory time


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Dec 12, 2021, 1:22 AM

Any port in a storm for men’s bb…

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