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YOUR BALANCE
I was talking to this Basketball Guy ...
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I was talking to this Basketball Guy ...


Jan 30, 2020, 8:58 PM

He played College Level ball ... was recruited by Wake Forest, VaTech back in the day but ended up playing for a small College to be near his honey/now wife ... He is from "the Country" ... SW Virginia

He is a YUGE UVA fan ...

Anyway, he made a deep statement ... "offense does not stop till the other team has possession of the ball ..."

His criticism of Clemson is: They all peel away on the shot, they should have at least 3 guys crashing the boards on the shot and have one or two guys hang back to hinder a break away ...

These are wise words IMHO ...

THIS has always bothered me also. Whatever happened to "following your shot", "crashing the boards" ?

It seems when we play per these wise observations we do better ...

He actually said Clemson looks GOOD when they do that

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following your shot...


Jan 30, 2020, 9:01 PM

is one of the toughest things to get kids to do.

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Re: following your shot...


Jan 30, 2020, 9:09 PM

and yet the shooter should know where the ball may go before anyone else

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having your momentum going toward the basket...


Jan 30, 2020, 9:13 PM

helps with the shot and gets you in position if there is a rebound to be had. Everybody wants to be a hotshot and fade back down the court after the shot like they see on TV.

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It isn’t because players are hot shots.


Jan 30, 2020, 9:16 PM

Our coaches want them to get back on defense.

If they were coached to follow their shot, but consistently chose not to do so, they would be sitting on the bench.

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"Everybody needs to know that Coach Brownell is arguably the best coach to come through Clemson." -PJ Hall


I read your explanation below...


Jan 30, 2020, 9:19 PM

and I get what you are saying. I still maintain that proper shooting involves you body moving with the momentum of your shot.

But I don't coach college basketball.

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and when I say "hot shots" I'm talking about


Jan 30, 2020, 9:22 PM

the jump shot with the backpeddling while admiring the shot...much like the baseball player who hits the deep ball and trots to first base and the ball hits the top of the fence and comes back onto the field.

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Re: and when I say "hot shots" I'm talking about


Jan 30, 2020, 9:29 PM



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I have no problem with that shot


Jan 30, 2020, 9:33 PM

it is a basketball move and creates separation from the defender, who is playing good defense.

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this is the shot I don't like...


Jan 30, 2020, 10:04 PM



He makes it. He's a pro. But if somebody is coaching basketball fundamentals, they won't teach this.

I understand the three-point line changes a lot. I also realize teams either don't have a true big man or do not use the center position like they use to.

I deal with middle school and high school kids and usually without a big man. I typically teach them a motion offense much like Villanova, 4 out and 1 in, constantly moving. Even then, I teach my kids to move toward the basket when they shoot and crash the boards.

But like I said, I don't coach college and I don't get paid to do it.

I'm a big believer in anything you do in life, not just athletics - learn and perfect the basics and then you can "break the rules." My problem is, and I think it is especially true in basketball, the kids don't learn the basics.

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Duplicate post


Jan 30, 2020, 9:29 PM [ in reply to and when I say "hot shots" I'm talking about ]

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Message was edited by: Judge Keller®


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"Everybody needs to know that Coach Brownell is arguably the best coach to come through Clemson." -PJ Hall


Haha! Judge Karen is trying to mansplain basketball to franc


Jan 31, 2020, 8:19 AM [ in reply to I read your explanation below... ]

You obviously know nothing about basketball franc, so Karen is going to speak to your manager to make sure you're educated on the difference between rebounding and getting back on defense. It's too bad you have no connection to the Clemson basketball program like Karen does or you would know these things. If only your dad had played college basketball or something maybe you would know more about the game.

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I don’t claim to be expert...


Jan 31, 2020, 8:50 AM

or a particularly great ball player. I played. Had good coaches, including my dad. I just try to instill the lessons I learned to the kids I work with because most of them aren’t going pro.

As far as the judge and this thread, anybody who knows the game realizes what I was saying and what he was saying are two different things. I just wasn’t going to fall into the sword measuring contest

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If we're going to measure swords,


Jan 31, 2020, 8:58 AM

can I be in charge of the tape measure?

signed, Francis Marion®

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Why do dogs always race to the door when the doorbell rings? It's almost never for them.


I wasn’t mansplaining anything, Princess.


Jan 31, 2020, 12:14 PM [ in reply to Haha! Judge Karen is trying to mansplain basketball to franc ]

I was giving an explanation based on my understanding of basketball, and why the “always follow your shot” advice from rec league basketball isn’t always good advice on the college level.

It’s a bold accusation to accuse our players of being lazy hot shots, and our coaches of not coaching or enforcing good basketball.

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who accused the players of being lazy hot shots?


Jan 31, 2020, 12:17 PM

speaking of bold accusations.

I didn't see anybody say that.

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Welcome to JK’s world...


Jan 31, 2020, 12:29 PM

We’ll have to ask you to check your facts at the door.




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my problem isn't with what he said originally...


Jan 31, 2020, 12:37 PM

My point on following the shot was in response to the OP. I deal with a lot of kids who do 30-foot fade away jump shots all the time.

Of course, youth and college ball are different. Apples and oranges, but my biggest problem with high level basketball is a lack of fundamentals. The NBA isn't even basketball. They run down the court and throw up a 3 ran, run down the other side and throw up a 3. No defense. They travel all the time. Everybody palms the ball when they dribble. Officiating has become like judges at a figure skating competition. Fouls are not consistent. It's just not fun to watch. And that's my opinion.

It hasn't completely gotten there yet, but college is becoming like the NBA. It's becoming playground ball.

When this is the example, the young kids want to emulate it. It makes it difficult to teach them.

So when the OP says a former player told him it was fundamentally correct to follow the shot and crash the boards, I'm going to agree with him.


Message was edited by: franc1968®


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While I admire JK’s enthusiasm for Clemson basketball...


Jan 31, 2020, 1:03 PM

It’s hard to take him seriously after hearing his dining recommendations in Charleston.

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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


It's sweet how you rushed to defend your pal.


Jan 31, 2020, 12:52 PM [ in reply to Welcome to JK’s world... ]

That's really admirable. I don't think franc needs your help defending himself though.

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it's that LAX "broette", priveleged, karen mentality.***


Jan 31, 2020, 1:26 PM [ in reply to Welcome to JK’s world... ]



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"No one knew we were overhyped until the season started." - Classof09


You accused players of being hot shots.


Jan 31, 2020, 12:49 PM [ in reply to who accused the players of being lazy hot shots? ]

Right here:

https://www.tigernet.com/forum/message/having-your-momentum-going-toward-the-basket-26822607

"Everybody wants to be a hotshot and fade back down the court after the shot like they see on TV."

The lazy part was not directly stated, but it's what I gathered from this post you made:

https://www.tigernet.com/forum/message/and-when-I-say-hot-shots-Im-talking-about-26822651

"And when I say 'hot shots' I'm talking about the jump shot with the backpeddling while admiring the shot...much like the baseball player who hits the deep ball and trots to first base and the ball hits the top of the fence and comes back onto the field."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the backpeddling and admiring the shot sounds like a critique of the player's effort. Not putting forth necessary/maximum effort is a form of laziness. Again, if that's not what you were going for, I apologize for inferring something that wasn't there. If that is the case, I'm happy to remove the lazy part from what I attributed to your critique, and instead attribute the hot shot part from your first post quoted above.

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I am totally aware of the post I made....


Jan 31, 2020, 1:02 PM

I knew exactly where it was in the thread. Where are Clemson players mentioned?

What I said to the OP had absolutely nothing to do with any Clemson players. I was talking about how players do not follow their shot.

If I get in a gym with young players and give them free reign to shoot, down to the player, they immediately go beyond the 3 point line and start chucking up shots.

The way I was taught (actually by a college coach) and what I try to get them to do is to go right up to the rim and start shooting with correct form and slowly back up as you warm up. You work your way back using correct form.

Yes, I'm a lowly rec coach. I actually care about the kids learning proper technique, but they have seen so-and-so do this on TV, so I don't know what I'm talking about. The one's who don't listen keep shooting wrong and don't progress in their game.

I understand what you said about not having all 5 guys going to the boards and acknowleged it. Not sure why you are continuing to push the issue.

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I think this is where karen should apologize for jumping


Jan 31, 2020, 1:11 PM

to conclusions.

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Why do dogs always race to the door when the doorbell rings? It's almost never for them.


I guess everybody should just stay out of basketball threads


Jan 31, 2020, 1:13 PM

and leave it to the experts

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Apparently, there is only ONE expert.


Jan 31, 2020, 1:16 PM

.

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Why do dogs always race to the door when the doorbell rings? It's almost never for them.


Obviously.


Jan 31, 2020, 1:33 PM

It's GWPTiger®.

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good grief, I'm feeling a little bad for him...


Jan 31, 2020, 1:33 PM [ in reply to Apparently, there is only ONE expert. ]

I think he made a fair point originally. I didn't think what we were talking about needed to be mutually exclusive.

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Don't...


Jan 31, 2020, 1:40 PM

I used to feel the same way, then I realized it was intentional on his part. This is a common theme with most discussions he's involved in.

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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


And don't even get me started on kids trying to


Jan 31, 2020, 1:18 PM [ in reply to I am totally aware of the post I made.... ]

do the Euro step that they see NBA players doing on TV, or the James Harden move where he take extra steps outside the arc to get a free look from 3.

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Thanks for clarifying.


Jan 31, 2020, 1:32 PM [ in reply to I am totally aware of the post I made.... ]

It seemed that you were also referring to Clemson players, since the original post was about Clemson players not following their shots.

It's a fair assumption for people reading your response to make, that you were referencing Clemson players.

I'm not pushing any issue. You asked who accused players of being lazy hot shots, and I showed you where I got my info (your posts).

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Just admit you were wrong.


Jan 31, 2020, 1:35 PM

No need for all of that other, excuse making crap to cover your uber sensitivity to any perceived slight against CBB.

kay?

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In fairness...


Jan 31, 2020, 1:41 PM [ in reply to Thanks for clarifying. ]

I can see that possibility. However, you were the only one who publicly made that assumption. Doesn't mean you were the only one.

I have been adamant that I didn't say it because I knew when I made that post I was generalizing why many players don't follow their shots. I concede that is not the only reason they do not follow their shot. I give you there may be reasons strategically that they do not follow their shots.

As I have said, I do not consider myself an expert. I have played enough and coached enough to know the game very well. Brad Brownell has forgotten more basketball than I will ever know.

I have never criticized Brad for how he coaches. I don't know his players like he does. As a coach of a variety of sports I know you often have to groom what you do around what you have. One reason Venables impresses me so much.

I have criticized Brownell for seemingly lack of improvement. However, I do see these guys playing a lot better as of late.

I was the same way with Bowden, whom I really liked. I was very sad when he left, but also knew he wasn't getting it done.

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So our coaches would rather

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Jan 31, 2020, 5:11 AM [ in reply to It isn’t because players are hot shots. ]

go play more defense than to have more chances to score?

Hmmmm....

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I can’t imagine even Brownlee would tell his guys...


Jan 31, 2020, 8:54 AM

“Get back when the shot goes up to stop the transition.” Especially before there is a transition.

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I wonder if players are called out during film session for..


Jan 31, 2020, 8:56 AM

having too many offensive rebounds?

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Re: I can’t imagine even Brownlee would tell his guys...


Jan 31, 2020, 8:57 AM [ in reply to I can’t imagine even Brownlee would tell his guys... ]

I COULD imagine him saying, GET BACK ON DEFENSE ! He's always yelling something from the sideline.

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Any kid who has played for me will tell you....


Jan 31, 2020, 9:02 AM

The 5 things I’m constant yelling:

Get back!
Hands up!
Box out!
Follow your shot!
Use the backboard!

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On a serious note, coaching kids in basketball is one of


Jan 31, 2020, 9:21 AM

the most rewarding things you can do. My only complaint, at least here in the Charlotte area it is true, is that there is a lack of great coaches for kids, combined with leagues that only allow for a single 1-hr practice a week. What I have found is due to these limitations coaches resort to a pretty sloppy 2-3 zone mentality and when kids get to the high school level they have no knowledge of man principles. Heck, a ton of kids come into high school basketball and can't even shoot a layup with their non-dominant hand. But for some reason they have time to teach kids 3-5 stupid set plays that they run twice a game as opposed to just running an offense against various defensive looks.


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agreed...


Jan 31, 2020, 9:38 AM

they don't have any rec leagues like we had when I was a kid.

We typically are allowed one practice a week so I have to pick and choose what I teach. I choose to spend the majority of my time teaching fundamentals. Kids hate me when I make them use their non-dominant hand over and over.

On offense, it is impossible to teach them much of anything. If you teach any plays, no matter how much you run them in practice they rarely run it correctly. I just teach them a simple motion offense where the actions don't depend on position but rather where you are on the court. That way everybody is doing the same thing and I can substitute and not worry whether someone is completely lost (and that still doesn't work for some of the kids).

Fundamentals and defense take up most of my time. I,ve got to squeeze in some press and even press breaks for offense...I'm getting stressed out now thinking about it. lol

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I think that's such a great approach to teaching


Jan 31, 2020, 10:52 AM

youth basketball. The kids who may go on to play for their middle school and high school teams will have a better foundation and the kids who don't can continue playing in various rec leagues but are learning the game which makes it more fun to watch. Judging by a lot of the posts on this board a lot of tnetters could use some lessons on motion offense too so they can recognize that CBB doesn't just have his offense pass it around until they chuck a 3 as the shot clock expires.

I have talked to some league administrators here that have kids routinely feed into school teams and I have begged them to ban their teams from using zone defenses. Some have instituted that rule, or at least up until a certain age. I'm actually working with an organization that has incredible gym space that's underutilized to start running off season basketball clinics 3 days a week where we only work on motion offense and man defense. Mostly because I just want my own kid in the gym as much as possible and I haven't found a league or organization that teaches it properly. So yeah, a little selfish!

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in all honesty...


Jan 31, 2020, 12:16 PM

I use man, 2-3 (or 2-1-2), and 1-3-1, along with a press. The hardest part about running man defense in the one week practice per week set up is conditioning. Kids don't get close to being in basketball shape until the end of the season. I can tell the kids until I'm blue in the face to run during the week and they won't do it. Wind sprints one day a week doesn't get it and zone lets the out-of-shape boys "rest" a little, I guess. My boys have a hard time running man for 40 minutes.

oh, I forgot...depending on the other team, I might run a box and 1 or a triangle and 2. I like my guards to get pressure on the ball handlers early. It's a lot easier to be creative defensively in this setting than being creative offensively.


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Yes, I agree with all of that!


Jan 31, 2020, 1:16 PM

I have no problem with coaches who run a zone when they at least teach kids how to play man. I am sure you have seen in your leagues that many coaches do not, making you the exception rather than the rule. Not only do you only get 1 day a week to run wind sprints, but if you only have an hour a week you have to balance how to take time away from teaching to have them run.

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"IDIOT POSTER OF THE MONTH SO FAR...GWP-- You have won IPM Award for your failure to completely comprehend a clear post & then choose to attack someone who points out your ignorance. While you are not yet in the same No Class Catagory as deRoberts, ClemTiger117 & Tigerdug23, you are getting closer to the Sewer Dwellers." - coachmac


I have no insight as to how CBB instructs his guys to


Jan 31, 2020, 9:03 AM [ in reply to I can’t imagine even Brownlee would tell his guys... ]

crash or get back, but I would imagine he normally wants guys to get back when we shoot a 3 since a miss leads to longer rebounds and easier fast breaks. I would hope he doesn't tell his players to get back with shots inside the arc.

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And THAT is why I acknowledged Judge’s point...


Jan 31, 2020, 9:10 AM

However the OP was talking about following the shot which is what I was talking about before I was told I was wrong.

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Yes, agreed. Although I have noticed with Clemson it


Jan 31, 2020, 9:28 AM

seems like he pulls his guys back a lot at weird times. If a shot goes up and we're in some form of 3 out/2 in why do all 5 need to get back? How many players do we need to stop a fast break?

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5?***


Jan 31, 2020, 10:04 AM

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Also, the history of referring in Clemson games


Jan 31, 2020, 7:53 AM [ in reply to It isn’t because players are hot shots. ]

shows us that we would generate more fouls for 'over the back' than we would offensive rebounds. Why do you think it always felt like Booker started the game with 1 foul? Because they would nail him the first time he went up for a board on the offensive end.

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Right. In church league ball.

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Jan 31, 2020, 5:09 AM [ in reply to following your shot... ]

Shouldn’t be that much of a problem for D1 scholarship athletes and coaches who make $2.5 million.

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That, and boxing out


Jan 31, 2020, 12:22 PM [ in reply to following your shot... ]

Those are lost arts with the young basketball playing crowd.

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Re: I was talking to this Basketball Guy ...


Jan 30, 2020, 9:12 PM

Great post! This has bugged me for a long time. Watching the team back off after a long three for what purpose? It defies logic. So many teams do it and it just seems seriously wrong.

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The more players we have crashing the offensive boards


Jan 30, 2020, 9:12 PM

the fewer players we have getting back to stop a transition bucket.

We can’t afford to give up easy buckets. Sure, we might get a few second chance points if we “followed our shot” more, but I’m willing to bet that we would give up many more on the other end via fast break points. This is especially true in today’s game, with more three pointers and thus more long rebounds.

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Re: The more players we have crashing the offensive boards


Jan 31, 2020, 9:56 AM

Other teams aren't doing it to us and yet we don't get points in transition.

That seems inconsistent.

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Wouldn’t it be more effective if

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Jan 31, 2020, 11:53 AM [ in reply to The more players we have crashing the offensive boards ]

we had our point guard just stop for a second with the ball...signal to his teammates to get back on D...then go ahead and get in a defensive stance and hand the ball fo the opposing point guard?

This would be the very best way to guarantee that we are always back on defense and are never beat down court.

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Re: following your shot


Jan 31, 2020, 1:56 AM

My personal experience, not at the college level: the only time my momentum is going toward the basket when I shoot is on a layup.

The rest of the time, whether shooting from 6' or 20', my energy is on elevating and having the correct follow through, which gives my shot enough arc to drop just over that front lip.

If I focus on 'following my shot', I'm going to short arm my follow through and clang it off the front rim. So, yes, I then have about a 33% chance at an offensive board and easier second shot (depending on the fundamentals of my defender), but I also have a 90% chance of missing my first shot and a 50% chance of getting called for a rebounding foul.

All in all, for me, it's higher percentage to focus more on making the first.

I agree that when opportunities for offensive boards are there, it helps to have a guy going after them: when we played Cuse in their zone, Coach B told the guys to look for some. And we did.

But most of the time we are playing Man defenses with size advantages. Those are low percentage opportunities for offensive boards, and high risk for rebounding fouls.

And personally, I got sick of watching our team play defense for 20 seconds without Elijah Thomas because he always 'challenged for the rebound' (not really) before getting back. Sometimes he was looking for garbage boards. Many times he played his heart out under the basket, but others he didn't try at all, as well as getting back very late.

Bottom line, the Tigers outrebounded a bigger Cuse team by double digits. Not sure why this topic has arisen tonight.

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Re: I was talking to this Basketball Guy ...


Jan 31, 2020, 8:22 AM

How many times do I have to say it? We are not a well coached, disciplined, fundamentally sound team. Sometimes as a coach-as distasteful as it is- you have to have to hurt peoples' feelings and shock them into realty by whatever means necessary. Otherwise, losing just does not bother you enough. Our talent level is not bad but we need to maximize it. I just don't think Brad B. has the stomach or desire to get it done. Maybe if we beat Wake tomorrow, it could result in a positive trajectory shift- but don't count on that happening. We'll see.

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Ridiculous statement! After shooting a 3, celebratory gestures


Jan 31, 2020, 8:28 AM

are the most important thing is to draw attention to yourself...

- Pound your chest
- Turn your back and stare at the opposition bench
- Throw both arms in the air and hold out three fingers or make money gestures
- Stretch your jersey out
- Make a mean face or other extorted expression

Boomers know nothing about hooping!

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Re: I was talking to this Basketball Guy ...


Jan 31, 2020, 8:37 AM

We are 3rd in the ACC in offensive rebounds. Maybe the whole league is just poor, but by an in league comparison it doesn't look to bad.

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Re: I was talking to this Basketball Guy ...


Jan 31, 2020, 9:14 AM

Big OOPS. We are actually 14th. Pitt was on the line above us, and when I followed it over I got off. Sorry.

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Not following a shot...


Jan 31, 2020, 9:30 AM

and not crashing the boards has been a ongoing issue under Brownell.

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Following one's shot shows a lack of confidence. Do you


Jan 31, 2020, 11:35 AM

really want our basketball team throwing up shots that they assume they're going to miss?

C'mon man...

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Re: I was talking to this Basketball Guy ...


Jan 31, 2020, 1:59 PM

Crashing the boards is a tactical choice. Run and gun teams WANT you to crash the boards in many situations.


What "small college" E&H, King? Radford? lol Hollins? My Mrs is from Wiffle. She was recruited by W&M and WF... but became a Tiger instead. :D

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Re: I was talking to this Basketball Guy ...


Jan 31, 2020, 3:34 PM

UVa at Wise ... he would have been at WF or VaTech in the late 80's if he took their offers

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I went to Wise last summer for work, cool place


Jan 31, 2020, 4:45 PM

and beautiful surroundings!

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