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I've resisted the temptation to make a poast about OLine
Sep 7, 2021, 10:28 AM
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until today BUT here are some data points worth noting when applying the PFF grading system:
DJ was sacked seven times against Jawja — the most a Clemson quarterback has suffered in a single game in the PFF College era (removing sacks that were the quarterback's fault). We had TWO yards (net) rushing. Two.
And here is the verdict: Will Putnam and Walker Parks were the biggest disappointments of Saturday night. The right tackle and right guard accounted for 18 of the team's 28 pass-block losses. EIGHTEEN out of 28. If that isn't enough data required to make changes, then I don't know what is. It's time to move Parks back to LT and McFadden back to RT where he's a proven commodity and appears to be more comfortable. Putnam......I've seen enough between OSU and Jawja to convince me he isn't the answer. Surely Tchio can slide over to RG? This whole "cross training" thing has been an unmitigated disaster.
Uiagalelei vs. blitzes against Jawja
Dropbacks 14
Attempts 10
Completions 4
Yards 15
TD:INT 0:1
Passer rating 8.3
Passing grade 44.7
Clemson generated -0.89 EPA per pass on Uiagalelei's pressured dropbacks. And DJ didn't do all that much better when he was able to drop back into a clean pocket, recording a 61.0 passing grade when the pass rush was kept at bay. He didn't have much time and receivers couldn't create any separation, ran bad routes, two receivers running the same route, had bad drops, etc.
Flame away, but facts are pesky things.
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Re: I've resisted the temptation to make a poast about OLine
Sep 7, 2021, 10:37 AM
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OLine needs to be better AND DJ has to get the ball out quicker. Love him and think he’s going to be great. Was very impressed against ND last year. But DW and TL is what we are used to and they made quick decisions and could run if the play breaks down. They probably covered for decreased pocket time. DJ can’t cover for our line. And I don’t know what the hell was up with the dropped snaps but that should be easy to clean up I hope.
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Re: I've resisted the temptation to make a poast about OLine
Sep 7, 2021, 10:40 AM
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I'm hearing that DJ was told not to expose himself running given our backup QB situation, which is understandable. BUT, he definitely should have taken at least two opportunities from what I saw. He will learn and he will improve. Jawja was a tough 1st game, but there is a lot of good film to be analyzed that will help us improve.
Playcalling was just awful. There is no way all of this can be laid at DJ's feet. He's a good one and it's up to Elliott to scheme better to take advantage of his arm talent And our O Line has to give him time. 18 losses out of 28 pass block attempts is unacceptable at this level--that is not elite or CFP worthy.
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Re: I've resisted the temptation to make a poast about OLine
Sep 7, 2021, 10:39 AM
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The pass interception wasn’t completely DJs fault. I think the receiver has an obligation there also. In this case it was Ross. An experienced pass catcher.
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Re: I've resisted the temptation to make a poast about OLine
Sep 7, 2021, 10:42 AM
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Correct. In no way was this DJ's fault. He didn't have his best game, but given the horrible performance of the right side of his O Line and pathetic, predictable play calling, name me one QB who would have had a good night??
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TL:DR….run and roll out to the left?
Sep 7, 2021, 10:43 AM
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QB protection was terrible...however....
Sep 7, 2021, 10:44 AM
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At the QB position we could have done a bit better. DJ looked ill prepared. He didn't step up into the pocket to buy a couple of more secs, he seemed pre-set on what he was going to do...didn't go down his checklist, starred down the receiver he wanted to throw to, didn't take off running when there was an opportunity to make positive yardage but instead took a sack. Indecisive and ill prepared. I blame coaching because the two games he started last year he was aces. Coaches simply did not prepare him for what he was about to see.
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Re: QB protection was terrible...however....
Sep 7, 2021, 10:47 AM
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That's on Elliott and Streeter. And make no mistake, Street will be the next OC if Elliott moves on. There is reason for concern and I hope some drastic changes in offensive scheme are made.
They both need to take a good look at what Sark is doing at Texas and the new OC at Cincinnati are doing. Both teams have excellent schemes and their PFF is off the charts. Granted, neither team played a powerhouse but both have playoff-worthy offenses looking at the numbers.
NC State is going to give us problems if we don't get this fixed in a hurry.
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Re: QB protection was terrible...however....
Sep 7, 2021, 11:03 AM
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Darn good post. I questioned that whole cross training, just get the best 5 on th field philosophy from the beginning. We weren't THAT terrible last year except Cade at center, coupled with little to no rotation. Imho, (my nephew played college ol) and he told me it's not as easy as it sounds to just throw someone from one side to the next. He said if you have NFL talent or 4 year starters it's one thing.
It's almost like the coaches thought they still had Trevor.
Until we recruit top notch ol talent and fill every class full in both trenches then you are spot on with your Cincy/Texas analogy.
Something must have been wrong with chez or something going on in the RB room internal because I can't believe he wasn't number 2 last year and worthy of a lot more snaps.
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Re: QB protection was terrible...however....
Sep 7, 2021, 11:06 AM
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The Tigers have two cupcake games to get ready to play a team chomping at the bit to play our team. This could be the biggest game on the ACC schedule for Clemson. There will be NOTHING easy about this game played in front ofthe most repulsive fans in all of college football.
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Re: QB protection was terrible...however....
Sep 7, 2021, 11:08 AM
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NC State and BC have me very concerned unless improvement/changes are made at the O Line.
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There is plenty of blame to go around...
Sep 7, 2021, 10:52 AM
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It goes without saying the performance of the OL was disastrous (again) and, at the end of the day, that starts and stops with Robbie Caldwell. It's hard to argue that a change in this area isn't warranted, and after 43 years of collegiate coaching, it may be time to seriously consider retirement.
DJ has to develop a better pocket presence and make much better/quicker decisions with the ball. As you pointed out, several of the sacks were entirely on him. This was the most shocking aspect of the game IMO. He practices against one the nations best defenses every day but for some reason, that didn't translate to the game on Saturday.
The OC has to call plays that puts the QB in a position to be more successful and many times on Saturday, that simply didn't happen.
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Re: There is plenty of blame to go around...
Sep 7, 2021, 10:58 AM
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Jawja did a very good job disguising their scheme and DLine twists and had DJ seeing ghosts all night---credit to them.
But, DJ was keying off on his primary receive waaaay too long....and that cost him. He has to get through his progressions quicker. I also noticed his drop back isn't what it needs to be...Street needs to coach him up a little on his footwork. That was something TL was so good at---his footwork is something to behold.
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Re: There is plenty of blame to go around...
Sep 7, 2021, 11:59 AM
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Yes, DJ seems to be a slow avoiding the rush. We were spoiled the way TL could avoid the rush by running to the side or just dropping a little deeper and still make great throws. You can't fix the O line over night so you have to work with DJ in ways to avoid the rush and utilize his great arm.
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Re: There is plenty of blame to go around...
Sep 7, 2021, 11:12 AM
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I think without a doubt we'll see him retire after the season. That said, I don't have a clue what's happened or happening internal. He is 3rd level coach afterall.
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2020 and 21 class for OL, we have 6 4 star OLs signed
Sep 7, 2021, 11:03 AM
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talent is there. Probably our 2 best OL classes ever on the OL.
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Re: 2020 and 21 class for OL, we have 6 4 star OLs signed
Sep 7, 2021, 11:12 AM
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I agree with you BUT---it generally takes two years to develop O Line talent unless you do get that rare 5* talent who can start immediately. That is rare, trust me.
That is why it's so important to have NUMBERS at O Line like elite programs do (witness Bama and Jawja) and that is something we have NOT done very well until the last cycle. We are paying the price for not having the right numbers now. We need to make some hard decisions at roster management and our entire approach to the transfer portal. If we don't adapt to the game, it will pass us by.
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Did you watch Tchio when he was in? It went from
Sep 7, 2021, 11:09 AM
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bad to worse. Our Right Guard is our biggest weakness on the entire team, followed by Center and Right Tackle.
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Re: Did you watch Tchio when he was in? It went from
Sep 7, 2021, 11:15 AM
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Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought Tchio did some good things when he went in for Tate. I think the future is bright for Tate----don't get me wrong---but Tchio actually got us going a little bit. I'd like to see him slide over to RG.
But the numbers from Saturday show our biggest problem is at RG and RT. Those are facts.
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Re: Did you watch Tchio when he was in? It went from
Sep 7, 2021, 11:22 AM
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Tate did remarkable given it's his first game ever considering he was probably going up against the 2nd best, perhaps the best when you factor in the complexity.
But spot on again on why we were even at a point to throw a high school senior into that situation.
Great post, great thread. Thanks.
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Cant we just roll him out.
Sep 7, 2021, 11:38 AM
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if he cant pass in pocket or there is no pocket, roll him out, let him run if nothing open.
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Re: Cant we just roll him out.
Sep 7, 2021, 11:40 AM
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If our receivers could actually create separation and get off blocks better (well, except for Ngata), then I would agree with you.
Watch what Sark has done at Texas. Really, really interesting scheme against a very good Louisiana team.
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Re: I've resisted the temptation to make a poast about OLine
Sep 7, 2021, 11:41 AM
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McFadden was equally bad. They just ran right through him.
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Re: I've resisted the temptation to make a poast about OLine
Sep 7, 2021, 11:45 AM
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Clearly not comfortable at LT. But, staff put him in that position so I lay this at Elliott/Caldwell's feet.
However, his numbers were better than Parks at RT.
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JMO but you boyz need to focus on recruiting OL
Sep 7, 2021, 11:50 AM
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for the next 2-3 years. You can never have enough OL talent on your team.
Trim your roster of wasted scholarships like the Herbstreit, Swinney's and Venable's
and that's 5 additional OL.
You know I'm not wrong.
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Re: JMO but you boyz need to focus on recruiting OL
Sep 7, 2021, 11:54 AM
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Dabo gonna Dab. I think our roster management philosophy (or hubris?) is fair game.
But on the other hand, despite our poor offensive play, ya'll didn't exactly light things up either on Saturday night, so you might check yourself a little bit. 247 yards and 3 points isn't much to brag on.
Congrats on the win, but I wasn't all that impressed with ya'll s offense.
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We started 2 freshmen and a walk-on at WR and TE
Sep 7, 2021, 12:17 PM
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@Ridgeland Booster
We didn't have our starting center and our starting guard went down on first series. We are frustrated that Monken appears not to be able to scheme (on the fly) against a defense. Then again, we were playing against the #2 defense in CFB so I'm not to worried right now. We have 4-5 weeks to skate along, get healthy and return our starters before we travel to Jacksonville and whip the lizards.
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weve had a few unfortunate departures at O line
Sep 7, 2021, 11:55 AM
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for various reasons at various times over the last few years. I don't necessarily think it has been a lack of focus, in some cases just bad luck.
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Re: I've resisted the temptation to make a poast about OLine
Sep 7, 2021, 11:58 AM
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Did anyone actually see the offense practice before this game? I'm pretty sure they didn't but I can't say for sure. I know we played the #5 team in the country but that was just God aweful. We have no Oline, no slot receiver, no running backs, sub-par receivers, no offensive cooridinator and a coach that won't get rid of him. We have been blessed with talent in the PAST. I could have coached the talent we had. Now we don't have that mellinnial talent and Dabo and Elliott have to be creative and put on their big boy panties. I wish Elliott had gotten the HC job Scott got.And I will never understand how a coordinator can sit in the booth and be successful. I think they need to be on the sidelines to "feel" the game. And BTW, you are deads on with the O Line synopsis. That suffling around crap means you don't have the personnel you need. And we can pretty much say what we want about the offense. They were the worst in the country.
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