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Lot o points [155906]
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Re: I'm trying to keep an open mind on judging the Uvalde
Jun 22, 2022, 10:54 AM
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They’re cowards. There’s no other way to put it, honorless cowards. They were in that building 3 minutes after the shooting started, with rifles and riot shields, and they didn’t even try the door. Then they lied that they only had handguns, as if that’s a valid excuse for letting 4th graders get murdered while you go outside to protect yourselves. I don’t hardly have words for it.
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Yes, I think you're correct.
Jun 22, 2022, 11:02 AM
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I get the whole adage of "don't judge unless you've been there", usually applied to war scenarios, etc, but I'm judging here. I can say, unequivocally, not as an Internet tough guy but as a basic human being, that if that were the job I had signed up for and there were kids in there with gunshots going off, myass would not have been loitering outside.
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Forget that they ignored mass shooting
Jun 22, 2022, 11:09 AM
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Training that's been standard since Columbine. They ignored what for the vast majority of the population is an instinctual compulsion to protect/save children from harm. Any one of the parents or bystanders would have been more than willing to race in there unarmed and take on the shooter to stop him. The cops waited, and waited. If they all ended up in prison it would be going easy on them.
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What's made it even worse is I don't think they've
Jun 22, 2022, 11:12 AM
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Given a true statement since the incident. Literally every account has been contradicted by new evidence. And every new report is worse and worse. And I still dont think we've found the bottom yet.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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They would have, but they stopped those parents and
Jun 22, 2022, 11:14 AM
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bystanders too. I think they even maced one guy whose daughter was killed, no?
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All-In [38189]
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I’m not. #### the Police.
Jun 22, 2022, 11:00 AM
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Pu$$ies
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Heisman Winner [137918]
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comin' straight from tha underground.***
Jun 22, 2022, 1:06 PM
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When Beto O'Rourke is right about a subject...
Jun 22, 2022, 11:05 AM
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you know how bad they screwed up.
And spare me the "our heroes in law enforcement",
"Back the Blue" BULL$#!?, these people are gutless cowards.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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It should be abundantly clear to everyone at this point that
Jun 22, 2022, 11:07 AM
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law enforcement will not be there to help you if you're in a bad situation. They will, however, swiftly detain you for trying to fight back or protect yourself/your loved ones. We saw it all throughout 2020 and we saw it again here.
Any officer involved in detaining that guy should at minimum be doing some time in prison.
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It's a good reminder that any police department,
Jun 22, 2022, 11:21 AM
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Big or small, has the potential to hire the worst people in the world.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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I think it goes a little deeper than that though
Jun 22, 2022, 11:34 AM
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I mean, how many LEO's were standing around FOR AN HOUR while a rogue gunman was loose in an elementary school? Not even a couple of those mfers had the balls to say forget this, we're going in? More than that, they actively prevented anyone else from doing anything.
This is the exact same pattern we saw during the riots nationwide, violent criminals allowed to run rampant but the first time somebody even shows a hint of defending themselves they swoop in and put them in handcuffs. I'd go so far as to say they're actually becoming a hindrance to law abiding citizens, given the fact they'll throw down the hammer on those folks but won't do sh!t about actual violent criminals.
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Dont forget chiefs/sheriffs of large departments are
Jun 22, 2022, 7:09 PM
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Notorious gun control nuts.
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and correct me if this is fake news, but didnt a border
Jun 22, 2022, 11:17 AM
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agent save the day? not the police?
If it wasn't for him, how long would they have sat there?
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Must be fake news, we don’t have border agents anymore.
Jun 22, 2022, 12:44 PM
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Open borders, remember? We got rid of them when Biden got elected
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Re: Must be fake news, we don’t have border agents anymore.
Jun 22, 2022, 12:51 PM
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Re: I'm trying to keep an open mind on judging the Uvalde
Jun 22, 2022, 11:38 AM
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the public demands an error free superhero for $38,000/year
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CU Medallion [73569]
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good counterpoint***
Jun 22, 2022, 11:41 AM
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Lot o points [155906]
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Ignoring decades of training and suppressing basic
Jun 22, 2022, 1:46 PM
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Human instinct is an "error" to the tankies. Pump pump pump.
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knowing and being related to some LEO
Jun 22, 2022, 12:22 PM
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I always try to give the benefit of the doubt.
Sometimes there are protocols, etc that have to be followed (right or wrong) being in a sue happy environment.
This time, I am just not seeing a way to agree with the handling of the situation.
Do whatever it takes to finish this guy. Who cares if you get reprimanded for not following procedure or something.
This one is a real headscratcher
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It's not.
Jun 22, 2022, 1:48 PM
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The evidence is clear. It's okay to say cops not only make mistakes, but are capable of inhuman behavior. Admitting their not infallible is the only way to ensure we have LEOs deserving of the badge. None in Uvalde are deserving of that honor.
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Re: It's not.
Jun 22, 2022, 5:56 PM
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you sound like a great guy, asset to the community
how do you serve?
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Serving or not serving does not make
Jun 22, 2022, 7:05 PM
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untrue Uvalde PD did not follow common, long established active shooter training. It does not make untrue from day 1 they have lied about what happened. This is an opinion held by virtually every LEO expert as well as most of the population.
But that was solid effort at a duck and cover.
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Re: Serving or not serving does not make
Jun 22, 2022, 9:15 PM
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you need to serve, dont keep all your tactical knowledge to yourself and tigernet
your community needs he/hims like you
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This is a rather stupid hill for you to try to climb.
Jun 23, 2022, 10:19 PM
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Given even cursory searches of FBI/LEO guidelines for mass shootings will show this.
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If it was my wife or child, they would have to shoot me in
Jun 22, 2022, 12:42 PM
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back to stop me. I've still never heard why they didn't approach from the outside windows.
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It's all really difficult to believe.
Jun 22, 2022, 12:58 PM
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Now they're saying the door wasn't even locked and they waited for keys without trying it? I can't even comprehend...
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Re: I'm trying to keep an open mind on judging the Uvalde
Jun 22, 2022, 1:09 PM
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Agree, but seems like it will still take a while to have unequivocal ground truth as to the timeline.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the head cop take his own life if the info we have now stands as fact.
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I've never understood why a school district officer would
Jun 22, 2022, 1:43 PM
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have been in charge in that situation. There must have been local and federal officers on-site who had more experience and seniority.
That said - they couldn't just let some guy go in, guns blazing...
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A point person was not the issue.
Jan 28, 2021, 11:15 AM
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Two decades of post-Columbine mass shooting training says confront the shooter as soon as possible with or without a Tac team. If they took even 5 min of active shooter training this would have been what they were told. You don't firm defensive positions or organize teams. You confront immediately.
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Same here...
Jun 22, 2022, 8:01 PM
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First instinct is to give deference to the police, but it's sure not looking good.
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No amount of excuse making will convince me that they were
Jun 22, 2022, 8:23 PM
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well trained or acting in the best interest of the citizens they took an oath to serve.
I get it, it was a tense situation that they had never been in before. But you have to go in and try to save people. And goodness, if they weren’t going to go in they should’ve at least let armed citizens give it a shot.
Sort of pokes holes in the “people with guns prevent mass shootings” theory.
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The theory is “good people with guns can stop
Jun 22, 2022, 8:43 PM
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Bad people with guns”.
I’d say it doesn’t poke holes. If you can sit there with military grade weapons, body armor, and shields and cower outside the building for over an hour while you hear shot after shot going off in a building with little kids in it, sorry, but you fail the “good person” test.
These cowards may as well have been unarmed.
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Re: The theory is “good people with guns can stop
Jun 22, 2022, 9:07 PM
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Bad people with guns”.
I’d say it doesn’t poke holes. If you can sit there with police grade weapons, body armor, and shields and cower outside the building for over an hour while you hear shot after shot going off in a building with little kids in it, sorry, but you fail the “good person” test.
These cowards may as well have been unarmed.
I agree. It was a display of cowardice. Under no circumstances should you hurry up and “wait” to save children. It should be a natural instinct to save children. Assembly or not.
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