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Since the NCAAT expanded to 64+ teams in 1985
Dec 13, 2022, 1:15 PM
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Clemson basketball has made the NCAAT just 12 times in 38 tries (32%). Here's the breakdown by Head Coach:
Cliff Ellis - 3 out of 10 seasons (30%)
Rick Barnes - 3 out of 4 seasons (75%)
Larry Shyatt - 0 out of 5 seasons (0%)
Oliver Purnell - 3 out of 7 seasons (43%)
Brad Brownell - 3 out of 12 seasons (25%)
Needless to say, making the NCAAT at Clemson is an accomplishment.
If you prefer to look at Overall Winning Percentage, we have finished .550 or above just 20 times in 38 tries (53%).
Cliff Ellis - 6 out of 10 seasons (60%)
Rick Barnes - 3 out of 4 seasons (75%)
Larry Shyatt - 1 out of 5 seasons (20%)
Oliver Purnell - 5 out of 7 seasons (71%)
Brad Brownell - 5 out of 12 seasons (42%)
This is our recent basketball history at Clemson. Learn it and understand it. It’s important.
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OP should get credit for Brad's first NCAAT team***
Dec 13, 2022, 1:21 PM
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Re: OP should get credit for Brand's first NCAAT team***
Dec 13, 2022, 1:22 PM
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But the cupboard was bare, remember?
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Re: OP should get credit for Brand's first NCAAT team***
Dec 13, 2022, 2:02 PM
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That was also the first year of the “first four”. 50/50 chance any previous coach with that exact same team and record don’t make the tourney that year.
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Re: OP should get credit for Brand's first NCAAT team***
Dec 13, 2022, 5:51 PM
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I'm almost certain it was said at the time that we were one of the last 3 at-large teams selected, so we would not have made it had they not expanded that year.
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Re: Since the NCAAT expanded to 64+ teams in 1985
Dec 13, 2022, 1:23 PM
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This evidence refutes prior claims about the current coaching staff. I'm sure it was accidental. Thank you for exposing, oh uh, clarifying the state of affairs within the program.
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Good stuff, it would be interesting to see how many
Dec 13, 2022, 1:25 PM
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first round draft draft picks that each coach had.
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Re: Good stuff, it would be interesting to see how many
Dec 13, 2022, 1:30 PM
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Cliff Ellis - 4(Not including Harvey Grant since he transferred to OK)
Rick Barnes - 0
Larry Shyatt - 0
Oliver Purnell - 1
Brad Brownell - 0
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Oculus Spirit [80221]
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Thanks***
Dec 13, 2022, 1:36 PM
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But Brad has made the tournament 3 times just like OP, Rick and Cliff.
Dec 13, 2022, 1:28 PM
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Plus none of those guys can say they are the winningest coach in Clemson history.
Brad 4 Life #GOAT
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No other coach has been given this much time***
Dec 13, 2022, 2:23 PM
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Re: No other coach has been given this much time***
Dec 13, 2022, 3:46 PM
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To be fair, but two of the previous 3 coaches bailed out in the dead of night and badmouthed Clemson of their own accord. Both probably would have been given more time had they not run off. The other was Larry Shyatt, who got 5 years more than he deserved.
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Brad bradmouths clemson when he gets a raise***
Dec 14, 2022, 6:41 AM
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Re: Since the NCAAT expanded to 64+ teams in 1985
Dec 13, 2022, 1:42 PM
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This is irrelevant. I need to know more about our under performing football team and coaches.
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Re: Since the NCAAT expanded to 64+ teams in 1985
Dec 13, 2022, 2:06 PM
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The problem is that all the more successful coaches probably had the band at away games. So it’s not a fair comparison.
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**** ????
Dec 13, 2022, 2:09 PM
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the 1 year Larry made it was his 1st year.. and it was with the Barnes team?
the 1st year Brad made it was his 1st year ???? with Purnell's team?
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Re: **** ????
Dec 13, 2022, 5:21 PM
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Agreed, it's impressive what OP accomplished in his 7 years considering what he inherited....
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whoa, whoa, whoooaaaa...
Dec 13, 2022, 2:10 PM
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easy with this "38" since 1985 thing
jeez
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Orange Blooded [2519]
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It is not a coincidence that BB longevity happened
Dec 13, 2022, 2:28 PM
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during football's greatest run.
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Wait just a minute there. We have it on good authority
Dec 13, 2022, 2:33 PM
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that Brad has outperformed / overachieved in comparison to our modern era coaches but these numbers look like he is actually worse than anyone not named Larry Shyatt over that span.
Could you remove the comparison approach please so that Brad's results look better?
TIA in advance.
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Re: Since the NCAAT expanded to 64+ teams in 1985
Dec 13, 2022, 2:46 PM
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Sounds like we should throw more money at Rick Barnes...
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Doh! That's gonna leave a mark. But you-know-who is doing this right now:
Dec 13, 2022, 5:28 PM
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Missss Kelllllllerrrrr.
Dec 13, 2022, 5:53 PM
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Where are youuuu?
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Re: Since the NCAAT expanded to 64+ teams in 1985
Dec 14, 2022, 12:09 AM
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Thank you for this important message. Parents, teach your children these truths
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Re: Since the NCAAT expanded to 64+ teams in 1985
Dec 14, 2022, 2:13 AM
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I would also add that the quality of teams has deteriorated during that timeframe. Watching them, I believe the majority of Cliff Ellis teams that did NOT make the dance, would have a much better record and success than the past 12 years under BB.
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Re: Since the NCAAT expanded to 64+ teams in 1985
Dec 14, 2022, 4:08 AM
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Makes you wonder what Barnes would have done with 12 years.
I also firmly believe that the ACC was much tougher (therefore harder to win) 10+ years ago.
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You watch your smart mous
Dec 14, 2022, 6:46 AM
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Some of us are really inspired by brad and the way he profits from mediocrity. We wanna hear from him and his supporters about how much we suck, not this stuff about other coaches doing “better” than him. Now my whole day is ruined
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