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I'm here to tell you all.. B12 expansion is very much alive
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I'm here to tell you all.. B12 expansion is very much alive

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Jun 15, 2012, 12:28 PM

I can tell you all for 100% certainty that Big 12 expansion and how it pertains to Clemson University is still very much alive. I am not here to say that it 100% will happen or it won't happen. All I am saying for certain.. Is that there has been MUCH legal pressure.. Let me say that again.. Clemson and FSU have both received a BOAT LOAD of legal pressure from not only the ACC but from some it's member institutions. FSU and Clemson both are in a very fragile period legally.. The ACC and it's current member institutions have very much to lose in the event that FSU and Clemson depart the conference. The CU BOT, TDP, and Dabo are ALL very much involved in this process and have been briefed and coached in exactly what to say and what not to say.. One slip of the tongue from any of them could cause a legal fire storm that could cost the University millions of dollars. Nothing will happen with the Big 12 until the new commissioner takes office. In the meantime, during this buffer period,, the ACC and it's members are doing everything they can involving legal scare tactics, and trying to find any scrap of evidence that FSU and/or Clemson are doing/have been doing anything that could give them legal grounds to sue them and force their hands to stay in the conference.

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I am not here stating that we will go or we won't go.. All I will say for certain that don't believe everything you read coming out of the Clemson camp saying this thing is over. These quotes are out there in the media for the sole reason to protect the University from legal actions from the outside.

Do know that NOTHING will come out in regards to an actual move by either side until after the new commish of the Big 12 takes office.. That's a best case scenario.. More likely scenario is that there won't be anything until TCU and WVU join officially.

In regards to actual expansion "rumblings" from the Big 12 standpoint... I hear the only member not on board is Texas.. And from their stand point.. Why would they want two more teams that could threaten their status as the "top dog" per say in the conference and in the national picture??? As of right now,, Texas has been down the last couple of years but they will be back.. They have too much talent not to rise back up.. Realistically, the only two teams that could really challenge them on a regular basis would be OK St. and OU. Why would they want to add two capable teams that could cause them "problems" or become obstacles for them to reach the top of the B12 standings or possibly even a MNC appearance?? They are set up monetary wise with the birth of the LHN. Texas doesn't really benefit a bit with the addition of CU and FSU. The other teams would benefit greatly with the addition.. More money with additional tv money and conference championship game.. And it further strengthens the conferences reputation as a power football conference by adding two prominent teams with great fan bases, tradition, and stadiums. You better believe WVU will be clammoring and doing some SERIOUS politicking with the other B12 institutions in an effort to get some east coast running mates with them.

Golden Domers are in negotiations with NBC to extend their contract with NBC/Comcast. They are in a hold pattern to see what comes out of these BCS meetings before they give the yea/nay to NBC regarding extension of their exclusive.

Wrapping up.. No one on the BOT, athletic department, or coaching staff WANTS to leave the ACC.. He!!, why would we? I've always said FSU, VT, and Clemson have the easiest road to the national championship by being in the ACC. Take care of business with the middle of the pack teams and get a big win against either VT or FSU and you are in the top 3 for sure. Clemson proved that this year getting up into the top 5. Go undefeated and you have a 90% chance of being in the top 2. This year was crazy with their being so many undefeated teams for so long. There is no other conference in the country that provides as easy a path to the big game. Getting back to the point. Everyone involved from an administration level realize that Clemson CANNOT be left out of the potential Big 4 conference scenario that is currently brewing and eventually will occur. They realize we cannot continue to compete at a high level while there is such a disparity in the financial shortfalls in relation to other conference payouts to its members. It's a necessary action that must occur.. Like it or not. Just sit back and relax. Not going to do any of you any good to sit and read TNET all day every day and worry about every little thing you read.

My 2 cents

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apparently you don't understand what 1000% in the ACC


Jun 15, 2012, 12:31 PM

means

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Re: apparently you don't understand what 1000% in the ACC

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Jun 15, 2012, 12:32 PM

Last time I checked.. We are still listed on the ACC website as a member.. So.. yeah.. I'd say that was a true statement..

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We aren't just a member, we are 10 times a member!

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Jun 15, 2012, 12:34 PM

That's like way way way a member!

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Does that mean...


Jun 15, 2012, 12:36 PM

we can get 10 x $13M = $130M/year? If so, let's stay!!! ;)

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I remember back in '53

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Jun 15, 2012, 12:38 PM

how everyone was grumbling about us leaving the Southern Conference. Wait, I'm not that old. Doesn't matter, I'm sure it happened.

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that should help us come


Jun 15, 2012, 12:53 PM

conference tournament time in basket & base ball next year....

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At No Time That I Recall


Jun 15, 2012, 3:56 PM

did the BOT Chairman say we are in the ACC forever. He plainly said Clemson would listen to other options if the subject seriously came up - or words to that effect. I say that's good enough right now - the horse has been dead now for several days - time to quit beating on it.

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I still don't understand what the new commish has to do with


Jun 15, 2012, 12:43 PM

anything being any more or less legal.

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Jun 15, 2012, 12:47 PM

Not so much less/more legal with a new commish taking over.. More so on it being a fresh start for the conference. Him having the ability to be known for years as the "pillar of change" for a new B12. (Hypothetically speaking) The addition of new teams would be his call to fame so to speak. His first order of business he got done as new commish was pulling in very respectable teams and bring the conference championship game back and getting the member institutions more money.

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Re: I still don't understand what the new commish has to do with


Jun 15, 2012, 1:21 PM

JPlumley, new commish Bob Bowlsby takes office today.

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Re: I still don't understand what the new commish has to do with

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Jun 15, 2012, 1:29 PM

NYC.. He's too busy getting his health insurance and long term disability paperwork filled out today. ;) Priorities man!

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Dang... an appearance of a ghost. Where u been hidin NYC?***


Jun 15, 2012, 1:51 PM



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That's one theory.***


Jun 16, 2012, 9:51 PM



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Can't imagine how Dabo's comments fit with this scenario.


Jun 16, 2012, 9:13 AM

He was pretty unequivocal in saying we should remain in the ACC.

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spot on***

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Jun 15, 2012, 12:32 PM



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"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


Re: Lawd.***


Jun 15, 2012, 2:02 PM



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Get rid of Swofford !!!!***


Jun 15, 2012, 12:33 PM



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He!l, that should've happened years ago..

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Jun 15, 2012, 12:34 PM

He has been a cancer with an agenda that fulfilled his own interests since the beginning.

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From your standpoint...


Jun 15, 2012, 12:54 PM

Why is it so difficult for Swofford to leave? I can see the firing part being difficult but can't he be pushed out as in retired within the next year so to speak?

Also, BCS vs money issue, is one more important than the other or both equally?

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Re: From your standpoint...


Jun 15, 2012, 3:35 PM

I don't know if we could rally enough of the votes between the member institutions to warrant such a move. I'm not sure of the exact number.. But I'm sure it would take more than just a majority vote. It would probably take 2/3 and I don't see enough of the schools taking that stance.

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Re: From your standpoint...


Jun 15, 2012, 3:39 PM

Who is the Clemson BOT chairman?

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Come on, man...

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Jun 15, 2012, 12:34 PM

quit making sense, this is Tigernet... ;)

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I love it...you tell very real possibilities and get TD'ed..

emoji_events [7]
Jun 15, 2012, 12:38 PM

This proves that some are and always will be against change...even for the better.

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Re: I love it...you tell very real possibilities and get TD'ed..

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Jun 15, 2012, 12:41 PM

Don't give a d@mn bout Tigerpulse or who approves or disapproves. Those are real facts,, no need to thumb up or down. Just some realistic facts to chew on when seeing all the rumors, tweets, quotes flying around. Some people won't open their eyes to what's around them. Change happens people. It's part of life.

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Re: I agree. The rapture will happen too but I dpn't know


Jun 15, 2012, 2:18 PM

when. I don't have a source.

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It's a fluid situation.

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Jun 15, 2012, 12:39 PM

Though I think Clemson(and FSU for that matter) would both rather stay in the ACC, it would be in both of their best interest to use this to once and for all show the leadership of the conference that Basketball does not run things anymore. It's football viewership that is top dog. They should be all means take a stand (whether publicly or in private)to get this conference on the right track.

I hate to go all York , but if changes aren't made, the football schools will be bolting this time next year. A very large percentage of the TV $$ is because of football and the member schools should be spending that money to better their program.

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My name is renegade tiger and I approve this message***

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Jun 15, 2012, 12:47 PM



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“It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.”


ironic that the ACC has poached 5 teams from the Big East

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Jun 15, 2012, 12:50 PM

in recent years (BC, VT, Miami, Syr, Pitt), yet they threaten legal action if a couple of THEIR teams get stolen away?

I surprised Swoffie and his trolls don't have solid brown eyes with as much crap as they hold inside.

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Re: I'm here to tell you all.. B12 expansion is very much alive

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Jun 15, 2012, 1:00 PM

When we step out on the field Sep.1st we will be an acc team known to all as the Clemson Tigers. Also when we step on that field we will be 1000% all acc. If that changes fine. But as of right now, we're done listening to any B12 Bull Chit. And as of right now, that is exactly what it is, Bull Chit!!! 1000% committed to the ACC!!!

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Re: I'm here to tell you all.. B12 expansion is very much alive

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Jun 15, 2012, 2:46 PM

You might be but the rest of us are not. If you don't like it, take a hike.

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Re: I'm here to tell you all.. B12 expansion is very much alive


Jun 15, 2012, 2:47 PM

"1000% committed to the ACC"

This shows people hear what they want to hear or read what they want to read. THAT was never said.

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Yes it was said


Jun 15, 2012, 3:14 PM

“Certainly as the head football coach I have an opinion, and you know it has been very frustrating. Quite frankly, I think there has been a lot of irresponsible reporting or blogging. We live in a world where someone hears something from a guy in the third stall down in the bathroom, and it is like, ‘That’s the fact. That’s the way it is.’ But it is so far removed from reality and it just takes a life of its own. It has been a real distraction. We are 1000 percent committed to the ACC.”

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Re: Yes it was said

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Jun 15, 2012, 3:32 PM

The big unsaid word that was not included at the end of that quote line... "today"

As it stands at 3:18 pm on 6/15/2012.. Clemson is in fact 1000% IN and 1000% committed to the ACC... today...

That's all they can.. and that's all they will say.. They can't say anything more.. Clemson needs no more distractions with it until something is done and ready to be moved on. Until that time.. no matter how it is worded.. Clemson is a part, and will be a part of the ACC until something changes.. Change can come as quickly as a day or a year in some cases.

If you followed the A&M and Mizzou storylines last year you will see a lot of the same story lines and quotes. They were committed to the conference they belonged until that intermediary knocked on the door and said "hey fellas, we got this thing done,, you guys are in if you wanna be" Then magically out of thin air.. The ESPN ticker streaks across saying that A&M has withdrawn from the Big 12.. Wait a minute everyone says... I thought that was in the past.. I thought their Admin said they were committed to staying in the Big 12 and keeping the traditions & rivalries alive just last week???? Now we are withdrawing and putting in an app to become members of the SEC... Things can change in a matter of a day and sometimes in a matter of a few hours.. The way things stand today don't necessarily mean they'll be the same way tomorrow or the next day.

The admin at Clemson feeds information to the media and the public in a very calculated manner. Everything that is released whether it be in a statement or a press conference is thought out in advance.. Information or in a lot of cases MIS information is put out there for a reason. BOT Wilkerson doesn't just up and say one day.. I think I'm gonna give a statement to the media today that we are "In the ACC" In this particular case, He's more than likely told when and what to say by a PR firm out of state contracted by the University and under a very strict non-disclosure agreement.

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I think the SEC is probably a "better" Conference then ..


Jun 15, 2012, 3:39 PM

the B12.... now, I do not think the B12 is a better Conference then the ACC ... BUT, we all agree that IF the SEC were to invite Clemson, of course we would take a look... NOW, as said before, whatever Clemson does, it has to be in the best interest of Clemson University as a whole.

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Re: I think the SEC is probably a "better" Conference then ..


Jun 15, 2012, 3:43 PM

The SEC inviting Clemson is comparable to Carrie Underwood coming up to you and asking if you wanna get naked with her and some friends.. If Clemson didn't jump on that then and there someone needs to be fired.

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Re: I think the SEC is probably a "better" Conference then ..

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Jun 15, 2012, 3:43 PM

If you don't think the big12 is a better conference tha. The ACC you're delusional.

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"Spot on" Again


Jun 15, 2012, 11:43 PM

This should end the back and forth on this issue. Now we're beating on the horses bones (me included.) BTW, it's Wilkins.

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Agree. Why keep bringing the subject up? As the OP said


Jun 16, 2012, 12:03 AM

it may or may not happen so just wait and see. DEAD HORSE!!

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When did Wilkerson become BOT chairman?


Jun 16, 2012, 11:31 AM

Did he replace Wilkins?

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Finally a Big XII post...was getting so tired of 5 star

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Jun 15, 2012, 1:16 PM

recruit news. ;)

I do agree with everything you posted.

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Let it go brah, it's over....***

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Jun 15, 2012, 1:17 PM



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Re: Let it go brah, it's over....***

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Jun 15, 2012, 1:34 PM

Let what go brah?? This is a Clemson message board.. It's meant to discuss Clemson sports topics.. It's down time brah.. As it sits.. there are four things to talk about at the present time..

1. #1 recruit in the country committing to Clemson
2. Keeping the #1 recruit int he country committed to CU
3. B12/conference expansion.
4. Cheering for whomever are playing the Coots in CWS..

Simply stating that if you "really" and truly believe that the situation with CU and the B12 is over... I've got some beach front property in Arizona that you're going to LOVE! I can get it to you for a really good deal too!

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You mad brah??***


Jun 15, 2012, 1:54 PM



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who/what is brah??***

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Jun 15, 2012, 2:03 PM

or is that a teenage communication thing?

can't keep up with the younguns

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That's a clown question, bro***


Jun 15, 2012, 2:33 PM



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That's like saying it was very much alive 5 years ago or


Jun 15, 2012, 1:34 PM

will be 5 years from now.

The BOT will always be willing to listen to better offers.

This is nothing new.

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Is your head that far in the sand?

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Jun 15, 2012, 1:58 PM

The BCS is about to change.... THAT is what is new...and THAT is what's gonna be the catalyst for the conference expansion.

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THE TIGERS ARE IN MY HEART..... BUT THE DUCKS ARE IN MY PANTS....


I'll answer that question for you.

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Jun 15, 2012, 2:25 PM

Yes.

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Think a lil' deeper. Nothing has changed as far as the


Jun 15, 2012, 6:33 PM

BOT. They would and will always listen to other offers.

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I say eff the rest of them... if they want to sue, then sue


Jun 15, 2012, 1:48 PM

I don't see much grounds for them to win a lawsuit against CU

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Talk to Mickey about it....


Jun 15, 2012, 2:03 PM

It's done, ain't happening.

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Re: Are things that bad in the Dark Corner?***

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Re: I'm here to tell you all.. B12 expansion is very much alive

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Jun 15, 2012, 2:50 PM

Why does this Big 12 talk keep hanging around? Clemson is not going to the Big 12 or any other conference in the near future. We never were, the HC and AD couldn't be more clear and adamant with their statements, and furthermore, we have not been invited nor sought an invitation! Constantly bringing this up means we have to continually re-recruit all our prospects - for no reason other than stupid speculation.

GIVE IT A REST!

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Jun 15, 2012, 2:53 PM

You didn't follow expansion news last year did you?

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Re: I'm here to tell you all.. B12 expansion is very much alive

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Jun 15, 2012, 3:07 PM

you make me chuckle.. You must also believe the world is flat because the map shows it as being so..

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Re: I'm here to tell you all.. B12 expansion is very much alive


Jun 16, 2012, 9:31 AM

Wilkins isn't the AD

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You are wrong about Texas


Jun 16, 2012, 9:05 AM

"I hear the only member not on board is Texas"

This is incorrect. All of the Big 12 teams, including Texas, signed off on bringing in Clemson at the beginning of May.

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Ahhh, but wasn't that before this ND brou-ha-ha?


Jun 16, 2012, 9:13 AM

Isn't this what has GSwaim off on his island of misfit conference members? Luring FSU with the promise of the BB Heads as a partial until their TV deal is up and promising the Noles a yearly game with the Irish to entice them away from their insistence of a southern partner?

Lord knows where GSwaim is getting his info, but I'm figuring its down y'alls way.

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"I was rite thar' in it."


Jun 16, 2012, 9:50 PM

Ernest T. Bass

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Sounds about right JPlumley ... good read

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Jun 16, 2012, 1:11 PM

Where there's smoke ... well you know the rest. The important point is Clemson having some options and leverage available whichever way we turn.

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Jun 16, 2012, 3:44 PM

Baloney. Maybe I should know who you are and maybe you are in a position to know but what kind of legal pressure... If we don't go, then why the legal crapola? ACC schools would only be pressuring us if we were leaving, NOT if we aren't.
I think you are trying to stir a pot that isn't even on the stove anymore.

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Jun 16, 2012, 3:49 PM

If we contact the big12 or admit to having to or admit to leaving before we officially give ACC word, there are legal ramifications. Why do you think both TA&M and Mizzou both tenaciously denied everything before leaving?

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Re: I'm here to tell you all.. B12 expansion is very much alive

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Jun 16, 2012, 4:01 PM

Come back and talk to me when you get a clue of what you're talking about.. And.. when you get more than 10 posts to your name..

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2 cents???***


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Jun 16, 2012, 10:50 PM

That was more like $2grand

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