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Is Russian interference bad or good ??
Jan 20, 2022, 10:11 AM
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Getting mixed messages from the left aisle.
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Interference in a country on the other side of the
Jan 20, 2022, 10:18 AM
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world = who cares.
Interference in our election= big deal
It's not that hard
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Re: Interference in a country on the other side of the
Jan 20, 2022, 10:25 AM
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It matters. It's not that far. Moreover, it's on the edge of Western Europe.
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This is about gas. That's it.
Jan 20, 2022, 10:30 AM
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we already had a 20 year war over oil.
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Re: This is about gas. That's it.
Jan 20, 2022, 10:39 AM
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You never know how things escalate.
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I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I firmly believe
Jan 20, 2022, 10:41 AM
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our politicians regularly get us in skirmishes and wars just so they can get kick backs from the military complex industry.
In 250 years of existence, we've only had 18 years with out a war
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Re: I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I firmly believe
Jan 20, 2022, 10:42 AM
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I am not buying that in this scenario.
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Yeah, he's actually not wrong, but like you I think there's
Jan 20, 2022, 10:52 AM
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a lot more at play right now. Although I'm not sure our political leaders realize it. We may be on the cusp of the geopolitical landscape being rewritten.
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Re: Yeah, he's actually not wrong, but like you I think there's
Jan 20, 2022, 10:54 AM
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Yeah it feels like it. Add Taiwan into that mix as well. It looks sketchy. Now the question is what can really do?
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If we were smart, we'd be doing everything in our power to
Jan 20, 2022, 11:15 AM
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start bringing critical manufacturing back to the US, or at least North America. Russia kind of has Germany and much of Europe by the balls when it comes to energy, and we're reliant on a ton of German robotics, tooling, automation, etc. to run our mfg base. I wouldn't count on those guys backing us up when their power gets cut off. Seems to be the elephant in the room nobody is talking about, things go hot and I'm not sure we have the industrial capacity to compete in an actual drawn out big boy war.
Have you seen some of the video from the Armenia/Azerbaijan war? Those small drone strikes are terrifying, I expect those tactics will be heavily used by Russia and China. Wouldn't be too difficult to conduct attacks on US soil with them, either.
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Re: If we were smart, we'd be doing everything in our power to
Jan 20, 2022, 12:04 PM
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I agree. That's what it comes down to. We need to make China as obsolete as possible. That's where they get their power. They are dominating resources and manufacturing on Earth. We need to start dominating technology and resources. The Chinese are all over the planet making strategic alliances.
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Re: If we were smart, we'd be doing everything in our power to
Jan 20, 2022, 1:15 PM
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Agree with all that.
China and Russia - and Iran, and North Korea - though the latter two aren't much more than regional irritants - have an axis going. We have to be clear-eyed to that. They are not our friends and they want to see the order imposed by the West and especially the US topple. They want to destroy the dollar as the world's reserve currency and wreck our economy, and China in particular wants to dominate the tech food chain, which is why they really covet Taiwan and its 90%-of-global-share of the world's semiconductors.
We'd better strap up and come together, because they're coming. And neither Trump nor Biden are remotely the people we need to deal with this axis.
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I don't think any of our political leaders are the right
Jan 20, 2022, 2:48 PM
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people we need to address these issues. They largely seem to be out of touch academics who think they're smarter than everyone else, despite their policies almost never working out as planned. The question is, if things do go hot, can they be removed before they cause more damage than we can come back from?
I'm not sure China has much of a choice but to invade Taiwan, they're kind of up the creek fiscally, and I get the sense that sentiment toward the CCP isn't so great over there right now. They need something to gin up some national allegiance, unfortunately so do our leaders. Now would be a great time to make a move with all eyes on Russia/Ukraine, although conventional wisdom says we'd see a build up beforehand similar to we have with Russia. Obviously most people don't think they would do anything before the Olympics, but who knows anymore. Iran and North Korea may not be much more than irritants, but an Iran invasion of Iraq or NK spicing things up with South Korea may would be enough to stretch western forces thin.
At any rate, if this is all a bluff nobody looks to be backing down yet.
https://www.france24.com/en/video/20220119-ready-to-defend-our-values-tensions-rise-in-sweden-s-gotland-amid-russian-threat
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60035446
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Re: This is about gas. That's it.
Jan 20, 2022, 10:39 AM
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Gas? No. It's about a whole lot more than that.
We can't stop Putin from being invaded, but Biden just fumbled away the West's chance to coherently unite against them and punish them in a systemic unified manner...and, oh, yeah, traded away Ukrainian territorial concessions without even realizing he was doing it.
He literally gave Putin free territory in Ukraine, and $%#ed the Ukrainians over on live TV.
Bad as it gets, man.
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Re: This is about gas. That's it.
Jan 20, 2022, 10:40 AM
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Sorry, meant "we can't stop Putin from invading Ukraine".
Need. Coffee.
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Re: Interference in a country on the other side of the
Jan 20, 2022, 10:27 AM
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YCBS? Ukraine is a nothing burger? You couldn't be more wrong, coach. Can you defend that outrageous statement, IF you can? I'll wait.
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Re: Is Russian interference bad or good ??
Jan 20, 2022, 10:24 AM
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Putin is a psychopathic authoritarian and former KGB agent who wants to see the West burn and who murders anybody who challenges or even reports accurately on him, using such methods as nerve agents, nuclear isotopes (I kid you not), poison, and old-fashioned street assassinations. He has stolen probably close to $250+ billion dollars from his own country and laundered it through Western banks, mostly by looting Gazprom, the country's gas conglomerate, which he treats as his own personal piggy bank.
So...Putin is a villain. Actually he's a supervillain. Heck, he even has a Secret Supervillain Lair he's got the cajones to claim isn't even his. And nobody except the jailed Navalny will even challenge him on that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8J2dW-QYQY
Oh, and he's about to invade Ukraine. Again. Undoubtedly after his GRU agents stage some sort of false flag incident at the border so he can claim it was actually those dastardly Ukrainians are the ones who are spoiling for a fight. Because he likes to do that a lot too.
Who's saying anything nice about the guy?
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He just likes to collect land when Dem Prez
Jan 20, 2022, 12:36 PM
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Are in office …
He collected Crimea under Obama
Now Ukraine under Brandon
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