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Is it just me
Jun 9, 2022, 12:05 PM
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As we often knee jerk react to change, I wanted to give the location on the Business College building time to grow on me. Well it has been a few years now. I have driven unto campus numerous times, been out on Bowman field etc. and I just think the location has taken a little something away from the drive in and the feel of Bowman. Before the building you had those huge oaks as your rounded the corner across from Sikes and Bowman was framed by the trees and had a very rural (park like) feel. I know the whole campus, town is a lot bigger Doughit Hills all that now on drive in) and it just feels less rural overall. (A lot more hustle and bustle)
But with all the additions I just think not having the business school right up against the road and Bowman would have been a better call. It just really distracts from that initial view you use to have of Bowman. I know, us old schoolers need to keep up with the times
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Re: Is it just me
Jun 9, 2022, 12:29 PM
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Totally agree with this. Seems like its getting a little too busy. I get it. It comes with growth. Just different.
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Re: Is it just me
Jun 9, 2022, 12:45 PM
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Universities, must grow. Top public Universities are definitely in the advance ever forward path and we aren't some liberal arts college trying to be only 4,000 students with 200,000 in debt type of place. You aren't going to have 23,000+ students, 5,000+ employees, and another 3-5K in visitors a day and not feel like a small city because it is about the size of the City of Spartanburg or Myrtle Beach.
That being said, it is the same setback/distance to Sikes ... but really you are just seeing architecture differences as the odd modern/postmodern mashup just hits you like a big brick. The overhands don't help,
My next question is this, where would they put the new growth? West - Nope Lake. South? Nope Golf and Ag fields, East - maybe, 76 blocking but that is a lot of parking loss.
I am glad they expanded around the core/downtown area. That is better than consuming the more rural and undeveloped land around other parts of campus. I rather build up in a small "downtown" spot than spawl.
In the early 2000s the City/University/other locals made a specific choice to try and move as much student housing towards Central. As a result, you had UV, Reserve and the like out there. Can you see the issue? Sure, it kept Clemson smaller for about 5-10 years BUT... anyone know the traffic issue? How did 93 handle it? Not well. Basically, that decision has turned into a mess for traffic. 1000 students living 4.something miles with a 1 hours bus ride are just going to drive... not only that but make multiple trips and demand for even parking will increase. It isn't good.
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i agree
Jun 9, 2022, 1:26 PM
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I think you are spot on with most of your analysis. I am not even saying the business college shouldn't have gone in that area. May be the design could have just been a little different to where it was further up the hill. ( just a little more buffer from the road)
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Re: i agree
Jun 9, 2022, 3:31 PM
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Yeah, it is the design of the building and how it is placed. If you are back towards Tilman or Godfrey, it looks better-ish. Upclose is fugly.
How it was rendered
How it is
It just isn't an attractive building. It isn't architecturally interesting either. Considering most of Bowman is Italianate/Neoclassical it really stands out. Now I don't think all of Clemson has to look classical or modern classical (Like Mickel) but it makes the Lee Hall addition (a bazaar architecture by faculty committee design) look good.
Good design would reelect the the Italianate touches while still providing that new techno-(post)modern bling.
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Re: i agree
Jun 9, 2022, 10:48 PM
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Great insight. Thanks
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What you said is true. Butt, I look at it from another
Jun 9, 2022, 12:58 PM
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perspective as well, the student. Clemson is a relatively close built campus. By that, I mean that all the buildings students must frequent are at least in the same zip code.
Contrast that to Cooterville, where it seems like USuk is flung over half of Columbia, making a bike or some other form of conveyance a near necessity.
Clemson (the University) keeps expanding, in our same "footprint", which is a sign that we are doing a whole lot right. This is evidenced by the fact that it is getting harder and harder to get accepted into Clemson every year, due to record numbers of applicants wanting the Clemson experience and degreees. So, while the Business School building location may change the aesthetics of the campus slightly, it is also a symbol that Clemson is on a firm, ever growing financial foundation.
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Re: What you said is true. Butt, I look at it from another
Jun 9, 2022, 1:31 PM
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Believe me ...my daughter has a great resume but we were sweating bullets this year until she got her acceptance letter. They are doing a lot right. Just wish maybe used another design, gone further up the hill with the business school, so Bowman sort of remains that "oasis" in the middle of all the growth.
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Re: What you said is true. Butt, I look at it from another
Jun 9, 2022, 8:21 PM
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And from yet another perspective, literally. If you have time and can find a parking space, walk from Douthit through the new business college to Bowman Field. I do this fairly often and it is obvious the placement of the buildings and walkway were designed to maximize the view of Tillman Hall as you walk westward. I haven’t been there at sunset yet but I’ll bet it is fantastic when you get one of those beautiful Clemson sunsets.
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Re: Is it just me
Jun 9, 2022, 11:03 PM
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It's the architecture of the Business College building that is bothersome. Had they chosen to use a design similar to Sikes, it would have been a much better fit for that area of the campus.
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I love the placement, but I’m not a fan of the architecture.
Jun 9, 2022, 11:57 PM
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I wish Clemson had been more consistent in its architecture through the years. We have some really nice classical buildings such as Tillman, Sikes, Hardin, Long, Riggs, Sirrine, and the quad. I would’ve preferred the darker brick of Long, Riggs, and Sirrine throughout campus, but as was the case at most schools, we went for what was popular at the time so we got buildings like Martin, Kinard, Daniel, Strode, Jordan, etc. Brackett and Cooper weren’t exactly great decisions in retrospect either.
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Re: I love the placement, but I’m not a fan of the architecture.
Jun 10, 2022, 6:36 AM
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I think the buildings that stick out like a sore thumb the most are the 3 high rise dorms on the east side of campus. They don’t fit well with anything.
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