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"Intelligence Experts"
Mar 26, 2022, 4:25 PM
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The 51 U.S. intelligence officials who put their signature on the open letter declaring the whole Hunter Biden laptop deal was Russian disinformation did so why?
What was the basis for them declaring this was bogus? Did they sign on because they are incompetent, because they did no personal research but trusted another buddy or did they participate purposely to tip the scales of the election?
Do any of you honestly believe Joe Biden didn't ask Hunter if the lap top was his?
Why did none of the Bidens specifically deny that the laptop was Hunters.
Now that the NYT has verified that the laptop is in fact Hunter's, should we expect them to run a series on the influence peddling that may well have involved Joe Biden aka "the Big Guy?" I could care less who Hunter banged or what drugs he took. I do care about his dealings with foreign entities, the money involved and the very real probability that the sitting VP was at a minimum peripherally involved.
Twitter shut down reposting from the New York Post about what now is proven to be a true story.
This is going to get interesting if the GOP gains control of the House. There are a lot of people who are going to have to explain their actions.
While not illegal, it is absolutely shameful that WAPO doesn't pursue this story with the same effort as it did Watergate.
Ignoring information by the U.S. media to me is worse than the garbage disinformation pedaled by others.
The intelligence "experts" should individually be called before a House Committee.
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Ffs, read the letter.
Mar 26, 2022, 5:36 PM
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1. They say it could be information or disinformation
"hacking (via cyber operations) and the
dumping of accurate information or the distribution of inaccurate or misinformation."
2. They never say it's not his laptop or email. "We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by
President Trump’s personal aSorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have
evidence of Russian involvement -- just that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the
Russian government played a significant role in this case."
3. None of this changes the suspicious nature of how Rudy got the laptop. Maybe other outlets would have been more receptive, but the Post WOULD NOT SHARE THE DATA, meaning other outlets couldn't verify the authenticity.
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000175-4393-d7aa-af77-579f9b330000
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So why say ANYTHING...? Intelligence ABSENTS... Their BS
Mar 26, 2022, 9:50 PM
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was nothing but innuendo. Is that what our "intelligence experts" now rely on...? If anything, their BS WAS the disinformation.
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Re: So why say ANYTHING...? Intelligence ABSENTS... Their BS
Mar 26, 2022, 10:02 PM
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^^this
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I am still trying to figure out why Guillini is lead
Mar 26, 2022, 5:47 PM
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prosecutor and not the DOJ. Did Bill Barr look into this when he was the AG under trump, what did he find? What is on his laptop that is so damning, other than videos of Hunter smoking cracking getting a beej?
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Re: I am still trying to figure out why Guillini is lead
Mar 26, 2022, 9:22 PM
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Yet another long opinion answer from yours truly. Here goes:
DOJ is an infamously political federal agency. Like all of the federal agencies, the DOJ is one among many that supports the existing bureaucracy and the existing political structure (both Demorats and Repulsicans). Investigating corruption among the 'truly big guys' is something that DOJ tries to avoid.
Trading influence / American aid in exchange for special deals for the politicians / big shots in the federal agencies is a time-dishonored practice. DOJ knows that, and knows that both the DEMs and REPUBs do this.
Hunter Biden is such a fire-trucked up dude that he couldn't keep his tracks covered. This poses a risk to the entire corrupt political network, and rationale for the DOJ to look the other way.
The very last thing that the agencies want is some do-gooder like Jimmy Carter to come in as President and (try) to clean up this den of thieves. Fortunately for the agencies and the Big 3 News agencies back then, they managed to kill off Jimmy Carter before he could finish the job and clean out / fix up the agencies.
Back to your question: Guilliani represented a (relatively speaking) attorney who was not connected to the federal agencies. Guilliani is too old (lost his fastball years ago), but it's better to have a less-talented (but relatively honest) investigator than a talented but manifestly crooked team from the DOJ's ranks.
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First defense of Carter I've seen on TNet in a while. Kudos!
Mar 26, 2022, 9:55 PM
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The entire Carter Administration was sabotaged from the start. The reasons and 'links' are self-evident for anyone with a brain.
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Re: "Intelligence Experts"
Mar 26, 2022, 5:50 PM
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Basically, the bottom line is that Biden and Hunter are toast and may have to ask a Republican (?Trump) president for a pardon. That might be worse than going to the Big House! LOL
Wouldn't that be a hoot??
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Re: "Intelligence Experts"
Mar 26, 2022, 5:57 PM
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please let us know when this happens.
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Re: "Intelligence Experts"
Mar 26, 2022, 6:07 PM
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Nobody cares what Fox News or News Corp has to say other than its loyal viewers, who are literally perceived as brainwashed zombies by non-Fox News viewers.
It really is that simple. I don't think it's really possible to understate just how much contempt there is of anything Fox News and News Corp now has to say, with the exception of maybe the Wall Street Journal.
Rupert and his minions completely did it to themselves, too.
Mind, I'm not saying the MSM has covered itself in glory; they definitely haven't. IMHO their lack of restraint after the equal-time laws went away created exactly the space the malignant tumor that is Fox News and the even more extreme "conservative" media got into to begin with.
But the MSM is just not willing to follow the lead of anything News Corp puts out anymore, and anything Rupert's minions put out is going to be treated with extreme suspicion. And there were so many red flags all over this story I can't even quickly recount them.
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^^^wallsclosingin^^^***
Mar 26, 2022, 6:58 PM
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This isn't about FOX... Quit with the infantile distractions
Mar 26, 2022, 9:58 PM
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This is about FACTS! Those facts have yet to be revealed in almost three years. There's a reason for that.
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In the context of the original post, this reply
Mar 26, 2022, 10:35 PM
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Is a complete non-sequitur, I’m afraid.
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Put your trench coat and gum shoes on
Mar 26, 2022, 6:25 PM
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and look at it on the ground. What info is there to report?
A blind shop keeps thinks a man who he says looks like Hunter Biden dropped off some laptops for repair.
Before you take another step, ask yourself, what could possibly go wrong with your sourcing of information here.
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Re: Put your trench coat and gum shoes on
Mar 26, 2022, 6:48 PM
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I know. And the interview with the blind dude was...bizarre, as was his reason for making and keeping a copy and then turning it over to Rudy freaking Giuliani - who is of course just a bastion of credibility and providence - after he'd allegedly turned the laptop over the FBI.
Like...wut?
At that point, it frankly doesn't matter if there's video clips on there of Hunter Biden using a rocket launcher on an endangered Asiatic elephant while smoking a crack pipe with his dingus hanging out, the chain of custody is just so incomprehensibly messed up it nobody rational could fully buy it. Even if, in Hunter Biden's case, he seems awfully likely to maybe do all of that.
I see it coming out of Foxworld, especially if Rudy or Steve Bannon are anywhere near it, I immediately go "whatever". They have all the credibility of RT, and in fact often seem awfully aligned with them.
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people just want the spoon to feed them
Mar 26, 2022, 6:57 PM
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Juicy morsels of tasty gossip to feed the serotonin demand, without the requisite critical thinking.
It’s so delicious though, we can’t let go of the spoon.
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Re: Put your trench coat and gum shoes on
Mar 26, 2022, 7:09 PM
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And people were trying to sell similar emails to Rudy like a year before and the metadata says some of it was put on the laptop AFTER taken to said repair shop, etc. etc.
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The son of a senator would just get a new laptop
Mar 26, 2022, 6:57 PM
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not take it to a repair shop that is just silly.
and if someone wanted to get a hold of his emails, they would not need his physical computer. And I do not think he was using his laptop to film himself alone on in a motel room smoking crack, unless he was so whacked out of his mind that he did not know that it was on. But yeah, the son of a presidential candidate takes his laptop in for repair, but forgets to delete the videos of him smoking crack.
Or, the more likely scenario, his laptop got hacked, his emails stolen, and/or someone(s) had access to his webcam, which we knew to be true because I have seen one too many videos of Hunter in his tidy whities than I care for.
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but of course he did
Mar 26, 2022, 7:09 PM
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he had to get his laptop repaired because it had his Burisma Babes Gone Wild videos full of teenage boobies.
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Re: but of course he did
Mar 26, 2022, 7:37 PM
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it is not a stretch to think that the guy was using the wifi in foreign hotels, likely employing escorts, all the while whacked on booze, coke, crack, or whatever he could get his hands on, it would not be an unlikely scenario that someone else had control of his laptop and accounts.
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Yeah, but how do we sell the the moral panic
Mar 26, 2022, 8:04 PM
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without the rumor and innuendo of child sex trafficking whilst wheeling and dealing with Ukrainian oligarchs, etc.
One of the big mistakes Russian FSB always makes…they need the stories to go boom. So predictable.
I mean, Pizzagate had a chance, but then they jumped the shark with all the underground passageways.
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The underground passageways were brilliant,
Mar 26, 2022, 8:25 PM
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it added so much intrigue to the story while luring the craziest of gun-toting spelunkers to show up and make a scene. I say Mission Accomplished on that one, because the Al Capone's Vault ending still has not convinced the Q diehards that this all BS.
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Re: The underground passageways were brilliant,
Mar 27, 2022, 1:08 PM
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The worst part is, that was Jack Posobiec. Who now is now a regular host on OAN...after he started his career as a troll telling blatant (and stupid) QAnon lies that literally almost got people killed when a thoroughly zonked Q showed up at Comet Ping Pong Pizza with an AR-15 looking to rescue the kiddies.
How do you coexist peacefully with somebody like that? And how do you deal with a network that literally makes their money spreading vicious lies about others solely because it makes their viewers enraged (about stuff that is literally not happening!) and keeps their eyeballs glued to the screen...and that's profitable? (Mind, CNN likes to tap leftist anger too.)
Why can't we just all watch News Nation and tell cable news and these opinion hosts to eff off?
I mean, this is actual news. Right here. People are still doing it right, it's just not enough are paying attention.
https://www.newsnationnow.com/ NewsNation NewsNation is your trusted source for breaking news, unbiased U.S. news & video delivered from the heartland of America delivered 24/7.
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Re: "Intelligence Experts"
Mar 26, 2022, 7:25 PM
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DEEP STATE
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Re: "Intelligence Experts"
Mar 26, 2022, 7:27 PM
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While the 51 did not explicitly state the laptop emails were Russian disinformation, they did state the emails belonging to Hunter" has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation."
Why say anything unless they had specific information that these emails were bogus?
Of course there was always the possibility that the emails were indeed Russian disinformation. That has now been proven wrong by the NYT which buried that admission in paragraph 24 of their recent article.
The media certainly ran with the narrative that the emails were bogus, this despite Hunter never denying that they were authentic.
Now that the Times has verified the emails were Hunter's, we see a stunning lack of curiosity, much less curiosity than was shown in Julie Swetnick's gang rape claims against Kavanaugh.
None of the 51 have said they were wrong as best as I can discern, nor called for a thorough accounting of why Hunter Biden, a man with no energy expertise was given millions by Ukraine, Russia and China while his dad was the VP.
I agree that the email deal could have been Russian disinformation. It wasn't. I also admit Hunter's financial dealings may be as pure as the wind driven snow, but I would say his dealings while dad was the VP, have all the classic earmarks of corruption. People don't give away millions to a drug addled, energy sector novice for no reason. It is hard for me to believe, that Joe Biden himself was not involved at least on some level
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Re: "Intelligence Experts"
Mar 26, 2022, 7:43 PM
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I know that if I were power brokering in a foreign country, I would enlist the services of my unreliable crackhead son to act as liaison with no layers of insulation or plausible deniability. They are quite the criminal masterminds huh?.
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Re: "Intelligence Experts"
Mar 26, 2022, 8:02 PM
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Yep. Nothing to see here at all. Joe himself has confirmed that he never asked Hunter anything about his business dealings. I totally believe that too. Sure.
Hard to believe the same media gave Nixon a ration of shidd over the impropriety of accepting Checkers the Cocker Spaniel, but has essentially no interest in seeing IF Joe Biden has any role in Hunter’s mess. Maybe Hunter alone scammed his foreign contacts with the promise of contact with Dad and absolutely didn’t deliver.
That’s possible. It’s also possible Biden aka the “Big Guy” did get a cut.
Hopefully we eventually find out.
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Re: "Intelligence Experts"
Mar 26, 2022, 8:12 PM
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I was kind of being sarcastic, but if it turns out he is a crook and he is that dumb, I would be left scratching my head as to how he lasted 30 years in the Senate.
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Re: "Intelligence Experts"
Mar 26, 2022, 8:33 PM
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I'd say being a crook is how he lasted 30 Years in the Senate.
I think they're all crooks and they protect their own.
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Re: "Intelligence Experts"
Mar 27, 2022, 1:36 PM
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Since longevity in the Senate appears to some to be proof that the Senator in question is the opposite of crooked and dumb, then in addition to Biden's decades in the Senate are other such luminaries as Robert Byrd (go KKK) and Barbara Boxer (who only served in senate for 24 years).
No, smarts is not the key to longevity. A corrupt senator who spreads the wealth around and doesn't tattle on other crooked senators has a fine chance to be re-elected several times.
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Re: "Intelligence Experts"
Mar 27, 2022, 2:04 PM
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Biden isn't corrupt. Sorry. He just isn't. I don't think he's a particularly good president, I think he's definitely trying (not really successfully) to hide memory problems and I think he either stroked or suffers from some senile dementia, and I think he was kind of a dolt to start with, but corrupt? Don't see it.
Corruption takes ambition, and honestly I haven't seen a ton from him. The man rode the same train to work for 40 years, lived in the same house. Some people get to "comfortable" and their ambition and avarice end there and Joe looks like one of those.
I don't like those golden parachutes and they're definitely the commonly accepted and legalized way for politicos to take payola for services rendered, but there's no signs of anything whatsoever beyond that. It's all right there in his financials, for cryin' out loud.
Or are you claiming he falsified those?
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Re: "Intelligence Experts"
Mar 28, 2022, 2:16 PM
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Biden's corruption isn't proven with this example, but it looks like a skunk and smells like a skunk.
Biden became an honorary professor at Ivy League School University of Pennsylvania in 2017 - 2019, and still has an affiliation with the school. He was paid ~ $900,000 for his hard work at U of Penn.
U of Penn gets royalty rights for the Covid-19 vax. Moderna paid ~ $400 MM to Penn thru first 9 months of 2021. Pfizer also paid Covid-19 vax royalties to to Penn (Pfizer discloses this), but I don't know how much.
Biden has been a huge proponent of spending on the Covid-19 vaccines, and his administration had done everything in its power to (1) cover up the safety problems with the vax and (2) push the vax on the under-17 year old demographic ... despite the even-now-admitted-by-CDC data that major problems to youngsters from Covid-19 itself are less than 0.1% (i.e., below the minimum threshold which their statistical models can measure). So the vax's are proven to not be needed by young people, and their safety is highly in question. (Anyone wonder why, a full year later and with lots of real-world safety information about the vax, the FDA still has them under EUA only status?)
One hand washes the other. Biden pumps money into the vax. Pfizer / Moderna make gobs of money and then pay royalties to U of Penn. U of Penn pays Biden for his vast contribution to honest political discourse in the America. Rinse and repeat.
I think the jury is about to come back with "its a skunk" verdict.
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Re: "Intelligence Experts"
Mar 28, 2022, 2:45 PM
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That's the point I was making. What that looks like isn't corruption but a glaring conflict of interest because it is one. If Biden is making decision about COVID vaccines and public health policy, he shouldn't be anywhere near Pfizer's money.
Unfortunately, that's the Overpriced Speaking Engagement part I was talking about...and it's absolutely legal in Washington. (It shouldn't be, but it is.) Golden parachute stuff.
Nor should Nancy Pelosi be able to owner Big Tech stock...and then turn around and pass legislation regarding, well, Big Tech. It goes on and on in Washington.
It's literally legalized self-dealing. The problem is, it's, well, legal.
These politicos have plenty of ways to self-deal and stuff their pockets without breaking laws. If they get caught overtly taking dirty money illegally, they're being incredibly stupid.
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Re: "Intelligence Experts"
Mar 28, 2022, 3:12 PM
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OK, you make a good point.
Thanks for grinding through this with me (and I don't mean grinding in the wuka-a-wuka-boom wuka-a-wuka-boom sense) to explain the finer details.
Grazie!
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Re: "Intelligence Experts"
Mar 27, 2022, 12:57 PM
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Joe Biden was almost certainly not involved.
How do we know that? Because the man released his financials, that's why. He doesn't have any bloody money. He's worth around $8 million dollars...comfie, but that's a far cry from the $114 million Nancy Pelosi had (mostly in Big Tech stocks alone), or the $370 million Rick Scott has, or the $200+ million Mitt Romney has....
And we know exactly how Poppa Joe made the modest bundle he does have. After he was VP, he did the typical get-a-book-deal-for-a-book-no-one-reads and the overpriced speaking engagement tour, and he made the same Golden Parachute money most politicians make after leaving office. Which is irritating because you know what they're really doing is cashing in their markers from everybody they ever did a favor for...but it's the unstated way biz is done in Washington, and it is (though it shouldn't be), 100% legal.
There's nothing there, and even a cursory examination shows that. If Biden was bent, where's the loot? Trying to portray him as some sort of criminal mastermind is the providence of the truly stupid, and Fox News certainly knows better, though they'd never admit it on the air because throwing false equivalency manufactured out of pure bullsh!t for the stupids is their stock-in-trade.
Unless you've got some evidence Biden falsified these - which would be stupidly risky, and it's exactly why even the Republicans aren't troubling to dispute these so much as ignore them entirely - this is pretty much game, set, and match on this subject. Not that it will be, because, well, Fox.
https://joebiden.com/financial-disclosure/
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I'm sure there's a Crypto-currency Slush Fund
Mar 27, 2022, 2:00 PM
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Hidden somewhere now that all the Politicians can draw from without detection.
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Re: "Intelligence Experts"
Mar 26, 2022, 8:31 PM
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Why bother?
The same people who claim Thomas should resign from the Supreme Court because his wife may have influenced him claim there is absolutely no way in hell that flesh and blood Hunter could influence the President.
Weirdasf how that can happen.
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Same people spoon feeding NPCs what to think about Ukraine***
Mar 27, 2022, 1:00 AM
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Re: "Intelligence Experts"
Mar 28, 2022, 3:01 PM
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One thing I don't get...
Why didn't Rudy or someone else just copy the contents of the HD and upload it to Google Drive or wherever and let the story go?
Or, to CYA, Rudy's secretary can drop a thumb drive on the street in Times square by "accident" to release it all.
Or, anonymously mail the same HD copy to a half dozen papers.
Why has the info seemed to dribble out here and there? If the entire contents were dumped, it would be much more believable IMO.
For example, I searched a lot and could not find an original video w/o the masking out of private parts (control yourselves, I don't want to see HB's organ). We know the original videos had no such maskings - who did it and why? Where are the originals?
Makes me think the full story is not out yet.
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