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All-TigerNet [10867]
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In a society where the government kidnaps and imprisons
Dec 14, 2012, 1:38 PM
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people, sometimes through the use of paramilitary 'no-knock-raid' tactics, for reasons such as smoking pot, can we really be all that surprised that people sometimes snap and resort to violent acts themselves?
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110%er [7980]
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yes, we can be surprised
Dec 14, 2012, 1:38 PM
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the two have nothing to do with each other.
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All-TigerNet [10867]
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I think you're wrong. They have everything to do with each
Dec 14, 2012, 1:40 PM
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other. The more invasive the government gets, the more the government controls, the more violence the government employs on peaceful people, the worse society gets and the more violence we see from usually peaceful people.
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110%er [7980]
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You are delusional if you think the US is anywhere near
Dec 14, 2012, 1:41 PM
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that level of violence, invasiveness and control
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All-TigerNet [10867]
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I say the opposite. People who don't think the US government
Dec 14, 2012, 1:46 PM
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is this violent, invasive, and controlling are delusional.
There are UAV's flying American skies.
There is a kill list of American citizens
There is the ability to indefinitely detain American citizens
No Knock Raids are used early and often for suspected drug offenders and tax evaders
Airports are worse than Nazi checkpoints
etc etc etc
I could go on and on. Wake up
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110%er [7980]
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Re: I say the opposite. People who don't think the US government
Dec 14, 2012, 1:49 PM
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All-TigerNet [10867]
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Everything I listed is admitted by the US government and
Dec 14, 2012, 1:52 PM
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written about by "respectable" journalists. None of it is conspiracy theory or "tin foil hat."
don't be a sheep
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I agree, people should wake up
Dec 14, 2012, 1:55 PM
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It's laughable how naive this country has become. One of the biggest myths in the world is that America is a free country.
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"They call it the American dream, 'cause you have to be
Dec 14, 2012, 1:58 PM
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asleep to believe it." - George Carlin, RIP
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Yep. that's why I laugh at people who refer to the
Dec 14, 2012, 1:52 PM
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Constitution... the US government hasn't abided by the constitution in well over 150 years
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All-TigerNet [10867]
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Statists think society and government are the same thing.
Dec 14, 2012, 1:48 PM
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"Conservatives" believe government and society are symbiotically linked.
Reality is that government erodes and destroys society.
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Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Dec 14, 2012, 1:47 PM
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Hell no!
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Re: yes, we can be surprised and very deeply outraged
Dec 14, 2012, 1:45 PM
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this carp has to stop being excused by people
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they did a no knock raid at night time on a veteran who
Dec 14, 2012, 1:51 PM
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wasn't sure what was going on and was armed (in his own house) and they killed him.
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All-TigerNet [10867]
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it's worse than that
Dec 14, 2012, 1:54 PM
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just google "no knock raid" and/or add some descriptive terms like "gone wrong". It's happening all over the place. An Iraq veteran was killed recently because he thought he was the victim of a home invasion.
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the gov is totally out of control. And I like how in these
Dec 14, 2012, 1:59 PM
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shootings they show up with dozens of weekend warriors in paramilitary uniforms who are "swat" teams. Countless state and local police with them, plus countless in street clothes.
What we need in these situations isn't 6 dozen guys excited to dress up in their olive drab para military garb, we need FASTER response and need those who do respond to be extremely well trained. I'm not sure what 6 dozen guys does when you have 1 or 2 shooters, and IF there was any battle that takes place it would be between the first 1 or 2 officers who show up and the shooter, not the 6 dozen weekend warriors that show up later.
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What we need is a free society.
Dec 14, 2012, 2:03 PM
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Then these shootings could be dealt with in any number of ways.
If I had my way, we'd have no pubic schools, only private schools, and the private schools would be responsible for their security. If one of these shootings happened at a private school, it would be sued out of existence and/or it would go bankrupt through lack of demand.
So you can imagine, they would take steps to prevent these sort of things, like armed and trained teachers and/or security guards, etc.
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I think right now
Dec 14, 2012, 1:52 PM
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you're an idiot. Sorry Crump.
sorry, may feel different another day.
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This is the same guy who said we deserved pearl harbor***
Dec 14, 2012, 1:58 PM
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All-TigerNet [10867]
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lol, I said no such thing and you know it.
Dec 14, 2012, 1:59 PM
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I said the US Government instigated Pearl Harbor and expected it to happen in order to push the American people into war. I NEVER said the American people deserved it, that is a lie.
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FDR and Lincoln are two of the biggest tyrants in US history
Dec 14, 2012, 2:01 PM
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but are regarded as two of the best presidents.
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All-TigerNet [10867]
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preach it***
Dec 14, 2012, 2:03 PM
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All-TigerNet [13265]
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Interesting that the opinion once held by liberal hippies
Dec 14, 2012, 2:16 PM
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(that Amerika is a police state) has now migrated to the far right.
And I don't disagree with you, either.
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Extreme left-wingers still hold that view.
Dec 14, 2012, 2:23 PM
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Like the Occupy crowd.
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All-TigerNet [10867]
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LMAO yeah right. They don't oppose the police state,
Dec 14, 2012, 3:07 PM
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they just want them to do their bidding. "eating the rich" and such.
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Re: LMAO yeah right. They don't oppose the police state,
Dec 16, 2012, 1:09 PM
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Maybe some of them. Some of the extreme right are pro-government, too. But some extremists on both sides vehemently oppose the state.
For instance: http://www.theworldsgotproblems.com/
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Are you ####### serious right now?***
Dec 14, 2012, 2:18 PM
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All-TigerNet [10867]
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110%***
Dec 14, 2012, 3:08 PM
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