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may be worse than the cost of filling your gas tank?
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may be worse than the cost of filling your gas tank?


Mar 21, 2022, 2:12 PM

THIS would suck.
soccerkrzy®


https://twitter.com/thebenbergman/status/1505679545965314054


but then....this guy:
https://twitter.com/hkuppy/status/1402825213956472836

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Are these charging stations something that can


Mar 21, 2022, 2:44 PM

be a turnkey business like soda machines?

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sounds like a NO


Mar 21, 2022, 2:52 PM

if you are meaning FOR PROFIT. Not any time soon.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2021/01/25/can-electric-car-charging-be-a-business


https://insideevs.com/news/563809/ev-charging-profits-vs-gas/


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You ought to get a dozen of these


Mar 21, 2022, 3:03 PM [ in reply to Are these charging stations something that can ]

https://beamforall.com/product/ev-arc-2020/

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“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov
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According to my boss you can still fill up on gas for


Mar 21, 2022, 2:45 PM

$1.99 at Taco Bell


Ba dum hiss


That was the most productive thing to come out of our meeting this morning.

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The most productive thing to come out of my team meeting


Mar 21, 2022, 2:56 PM

today was free lunch...shrimp po boy and sweet potato fries. I feel like the Jounge obesity thread right now because I never eat that big at lunch. First time I've sat at my desk in two years.

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The guy in the second vid left the choke on the Honda


Mar 21, 2022, 2:49 PM

generator. Clueless.

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THROW MORE TAX PAYER MONEY


Mar 21, 2022, 3:06 PM

at them, then they will succeed.

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I get a kick out of this attitude.


Mar 21, 2022, 3:24 PM

The federal government has a mile and a half long list (like the Tesla line) of things they subsidize, which all fall in the category of "whatever" and "meh" for most people. But those same people get all kinds of militant about a subsidy with a tangible end result--there's a massive difference between 100,000 charging stations and 500,000 charging stations across the country. "NOT MY TAX DOLLARS!"

Why are some people so uncomfortably protective of the fossil fuel model (and also bitch about gas prices in the same sentence)?

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It seems like it's something that, if it were merited, would


Mar 21, 2022, 3:33 PM

be solved by the private market. I mean, Eisenhower didn't pay for every Esso and Gulf station when the interstates were built, they were put in by corporate and individual gas station owners who saw an opportunity.

There's a reason niche companies like Electrify America require heavy subsidies from Volkswagen, and EVGo has a meager stock price....it's a tough business model here in 2022. Add to that the fact that gas stations don't have competition from your home. You don't have a gas pump and underground tank at your house that you can fill up whenever you want.

So right now, there's not a tangibly positive (financially at least) end result to the scenario you describe. There is a scenario where we are throwing a shidpot of taxpayer money at a money losing proposition for the near term.

Just like gas stations make their money off slushies and corn nuts, the EV charging biz is going to have to come up with a value add for people charging....you just don't make enough selling watts.

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Dominion Energy say "hey"


Mar 21, 2022, 3:46 PM

They are vertical...they make AND sell it

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That's sort of my point.....if it were something that bore


Mar 21, 2022, 3:50 PM

fruit, why wouldn't companies like say, Duke Energy, start throwing up charging points all over locations throughout their grid?

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I'm kind of surprised they didn't jump on the solar panel


Mar 21, 2022, 3:52 PM

charging thing that got popular a few years ago. There HAD to be some gubmint sponsored bonus carbon credits for all those icky coal powered electric plants still out there.

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Duke is - they have a whole division in charge


Mar 21, 2022, 4:17 PM [ in reply to That's sort of my point.....if it were something that bore ]

Siting, acquisition, and installation

The big problem for them or any 3rd party is the lack of standardization

This is where the gov could step in and set a regulation that all charging stations will have X plug and Y specs so any car can charge anywhere

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I'd be fine with that. Seems like a standard is merited.


Mar 21, 2022, 5:00 PM

I just don't see Uncle Sam being the one needing to build out charging stations.

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Actually, I take that back.


Mar 21, 2022, 5:05 PM

Govt standards gave us toilets that take three flushes to kill a good deuce, and dishwashers that take 3 hours to run a load of dishes.

Let's let the private market decide the standard too.

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I'm kinda waiting on the lithium mining eco-warrior revolt


Mar 21, 2022, 3:40 PM [ in reply to I get a kick out of this attitude. ]

you know, the stuff they make the electric vehicle lithium-ion batteries out of?

That should be fun to watch.

https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/02/01/south-america-s-lithium-fields-reveal-the-dark-side-of-our-electric-future


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Not to mention China and Russia controlling a massive


Mar 21, 2022, 3:47 PM

percent of the rare Earth metals on the planet. China's pretty much swooped in and laid claim via $$$ to the South American mines also. Good thing we are getting along well with those two countries. Should be smooth sailing on the horizon if we convert everyone to EV's and still need those two to count on for batteries.

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Re: Not to mention China & Russia controlling: Afghanistan


Mar 21, 2022, 6:50 PM

Don't forget about Afghanistan ... they have huge lithium deposits.

Uncle Joe Biden bought (OK, gave) a lot of good will to the Taliban, which is rumored to like things that go Ka-boom and Ka-bang.

All ole' Joe's got to do is give then another ~$85B of military equipment, and then sponsor one of their special vest-wearing contests.

All Your Lithium Belong to Us.

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See, this is what I'm talking about though. ICE technology


Mar 21, 2022, 8:23 PM [ in reply to Not to mention China and Russia controlling a massive ]

has gotten, what, 5 or 10% more efficient over the last century? They STILL, after all that innovation, waste upwards of 70% of the energy in a unit of fossil fuel. Battery technology is ever-evolving, and we'll likely see functional saline battery technology ready for rollout in the next decade. Batteries are a means for storing energy. That's it. And there's a myriad of ways (and substances) that can be used to do it.

There's this reflexive tick that the hardcore fossil fuelers have that obligates them to shit on the idea of building the strategy around what the infrastructure should look like, and get the damn thing rolling. Fossil fuel is not tenable, it never has been, and we simply don't have the luxury of draining American oil fields over the next 20 years, and THEN figuring out a solution when the planet is dry.

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Here, give these a scan.


Mar 21, 2022, 8:25 PM

https://electrek.co/2021/07/09/tesla-patent-reveals-elon-musk-table-salt-lithium-extraction-process/


https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2021/05/06/tesla-tech-whiz-is-mining-riches-from-your-old-batteries/?sh=6a06365d3726

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