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I'm asking this as a serious question for discussion...
Nov 9, 2022, 10:02 AM
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Do you think our best days are ahead of us or behind us?
This is what I would hope our head coach is asking himself and his staff. If you really believe our best days are ahead of us then you have to create and execute the plan to make that become a reality. Watching the regression of the last 2 seasons makes it hard to believe in the best days still being ahead of us. I've become spoiled under the Dabo regime. It used to be winning the ACC and going to a good bowl game satisfied me but that isn't where I want it to end. I want to see recruiting and coaching and play-calling and execution reach the highest potential. I want us to dream big and find the fire and the hunger to do what is necessary to achieve lofty goals.
I want to be spoiled again...
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Scholarship management and recruiting falloff and nepotism
Nov 9, 2022, 10:05 AM
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has put us in this position.
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that's a deep rooted issue that many on here fail to see....
Nov 9, 2022, 10:10 AM
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they're quick to blame all the on field surface stuff such as QB play, execution, etc.....(all valid issues), BUT the deeper issues are what you mentioned and have gotten to this "less than elite" level right now.
It CAN be corrected, but the question is whether Dabo will make the right calls to get it corrected and that includes some philosophy shifts in his program........ie portal/schollie management.
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Wrong again, pheeble.
Nov 9, 2022, 11:00 AM
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There are no additional "right calls" to make, other than fix the QB situation.
I mean I know you wish we were back in the Bowden era where you could get your jollies with feigned b!tching and moaning everyday, but sorry to break the bad news to you - ALL SEASON TEAM GOALS ARE STILL ON THE TABLE.
We lost 1 game, pheebs. We actually have an outside shot at the CFP, but not making it wouldn't mean the season is a failure. We have a great shot to achieve every team goal, and if we finish 13-1 and in the top 10, then only a fool like you would see this as a reason for heads to roll. That was hilarious when you said 13-1 would mean "BIG changes" are needed.
You're such a fraud.
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LOL....keep livin' on that beach with your head in the sand
Nov 9, 2022, 11:03 AM
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continue......
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Freshman [-79]
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As usual, no substance. Your entire
Nov 9, 2022, 11:07 AM
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post history is full of your fake disgruntled fan act, and NONE of your BS ever comes to fruition. You're a transparent joke, pheebs.
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ah yes.........triggered much??
Nov 9, 2022, 11:25 AM
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tell me more about how our SINGLE problem is QB..........but get your head outta the sand so I can hear you better.
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Freshman [-79]
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Why even reply if you got NOTHING?
Nov 9, 2022, 2:22 PM
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You're a fraud, pheeble. No substance at all.
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you ignore the substance.......bring something to the table
Nov 9, 2022, 2:32 PM
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and we'll discuss.........otherwise your name calling drivel will do just fine....it's amusing to get you triggered without even trying...........for me posting "NOTHING" as you say you sure do spend a lot of time concerning yourself with my posts............again, your kind makes tnet so fun and amusing.
your ball.........continue.......
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Freshman [-79]
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Lol pheebs. You'd have to actually add some substance for it to be discussed.
Nov 9, 2022, 2:37 PM
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But you have none.
Again, why do you continue to respond with your comically weak and transparent disgruntled fan spiel? Are you going to at least try to speak intelligently?
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the shovel is in your hands for you to dig yourself deeper***
Nov 9, 2022, 2:44 PM
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Freshman [-79]
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Cool story, pheebs! Again,
Nov 9, 2022, 2:49 PM
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nothing but hot air. Zero substance.
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still waiting on your answer.........go ahead....***
Nov 9, 2022, 2:51 PM
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Freshman [-79]
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What answer, fraud?***
Nov 9, 2022, 2:52 PM
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Yeah, as if I'm ignoring you and your hot air.
Nov 9, 2022, 3:03 PM
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List your question here:
Then answer my question.
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I've already asked you to show your work and you haven't....
Nov 9, 2022, 3:32 PM
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because that would prove your incompetence.
your move......
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Re: LOL....keep livin' on that beach with your head in the sand
Nov 9, 2022, 2:48 PM
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why be dismissive, what in your background makes your thoughts superior to his? You did not make some deep analysis of the last 2 years and we can all read it and shake our heads in approval... you think this is just some ego trip for these guys? They work their tails off while we do the hard job of typing our opinion on board...
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The team goals are so vague…
Nov 9, 2022, 11:38 AM
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We could go 2-10 and hit 60% of the goals. Would you consider that a successful year? There are issues with this team beyond QB.
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he can't comprehend that....too many numbers and stuff......
Nov 9, 2022, 11:42 AM
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theoretically, we could lose the next two games and accomplish 100% of our "stated goals".............woo-hoo!!
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Freshman [-79]
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Poor pheeble. No substance.
Nov 9, 2022, 2:34 PM
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You're a weasel, but you're not a smart fake disgruntled fan troll.
The numbers add up fine. Would you like me to draw a crayon sketch for you?
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Re: The team goals are so vague…
Nov 9, 2022, 11:58 AM
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Win The opener
win the Division
Win the SC Game.
Win The ACC
Win Bowl Game.
That's very vague! How do you go 2-10 and achieve 60% of the goals.
Which Holiday is this G?
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Re: The team goals are so vague…
Nov 9, 2022, 1:41 PM
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Win the opener. Win the closer (SC). Win the state. Lose the rest to finish 2-10. 3 out of 5 goals accomplished is 60%.
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Freshman [-79]
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Not possible to go 2-10 and meet any of the goal except the first one.
Nov 9, 2022, 2:32 PM
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Think man!
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LMAO.....you're such an idiot....this is fun, let me........
Nov 9, 2022, 2:41 PM
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spell it out for you
hypothetical situation below:
Win The opener - WIN (THAT's ONE WIN)
win the Division
Win the SC Game (the state) - WIN (THAT's TWO WINS)
Win The ACC
Win the Closer Game. - WIN (STILL TWO WINS......accomplished by winning the state in a 2-10 season)
that's 3 out of 5.........that's 60%!!!
that's substance........I'll wait for your response............
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Freshman [-79]
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Lol, "idiot" says the namecalling hypocrite.
Nov 9, 2022, 2:46 PM
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So you really think the USuC game, and 2 wins on the season would equal 3 of the goals?
Again, the point being made here is ALL team goals are STILL on the table and we can have a 13-1, top 10 finish, when according to you "HEADS WILL ROLL!" then. Lmao.
Are you dumb? You seem kind of dumb.
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oh no you're not getting out of this one......
Nov 9, 2022, 2:51 PM
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the OP said we can go 2 and 10 and accomplish 60% of the goals..........you came back with "THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE"
in a 2-10 situation we can theoretically do the following:
win the opener
win the state
win the closer (which this is where you seem to get lost.......would double as the STATE in a 2 win season b/c it is in fact "the closer")
count them with me........1........2.........3
out of FIVE stated goals by DABO HIMSELF........please show your work to prove that 3/5 isn't 60%......
i'll wait........
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Freshman [-79]
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Again, pheeble.. going 2-10 and beating USuC
Nov 9, 2022, 3:01 PM
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would not constitute the meeting team goals. If you want to double up on a win against your coots, then fine, but the point remains:
All stated team goals are on the table. We can go 100%. And again, if we go 13-1 and finish in the top-10, would you (as fraudulent as you are) consider that a successful season? Or would, heads need to roll like you said?
That's the question. There are no others right now.
Waiting on you, fraud.
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The team goals are not vague at all.
Nov 9, 2022, 2:30 PM
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1. Win the opener. Check
2. Win the division. Check
3. Win the state championship.
4. Win the conference
5. Win the last game.
We've hit 2 of 5 goals, and ALL are still on the table. If we were 2-10, items 2-5 aren't possible.
So yeah, if we go 13-1, win an NY6 bowl game, and finish in the top 10, that's a successful season.
And yes, we're 8-1, but I would bet all of your alleged "problems" would be reduced or eliminated with better QB performance. That goes for offense and defense. Name one of your gigantic concerns, and I'll tell you how quality play from the most important position on the field will reduce the concern or eliminate it.
Until then, I assume you're clear and agree that ALL team goals are still on the table?
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I'm not sure on that.
Nov 9, 2022, 10:35 AM
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Scholarship Management - I get that. I like Dabo's philosophy and I support it, but it certainly creates a situation where we have less room for error.
Recruiting falloff - I dunno...aside from WR and RB, where? Obviously we aren't seeing the 5-star performance we are used to from QB, but we have another 5-star QB sitting behind him and ANOTHER committed to come in next season. OLine, if anything, has improved. DLine recruiting was great. Even RB has some great players on the roster...we just urgently need to address this going forward.
Nepotism - I assume you mean "hiring internally" not "putting his kids on the team"?
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DJ doesn’t play on the offensive line or at receiver besides
Nov 9, 2022, 10:54 AM
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Coaches are also responsible for elevating and developing talent.
WR and RB recruiting are in decline.
The defense will also have a lot less talent next year.
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It all hinges on QB. This is the most critical position
Nov 9, 2022, 11:17 AM
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on the entire field. Solid play from the QB elevates EVERYTHING. The OL isn't a concerning issue, the are (5) top-20 nationally recruited WRs who need a chance to get the ball, the RB room has more highly recruited players than typical (you're confusing ETN with a whole group), and we have (2) elite QBs.
Recruiting is not in decline. Players are being developed. Again, the clearly biggest issue in the program is the average and now poor play from the QB. If he was performing better, the WRs would look better, and the RBs would have more space to operate. The OL is no different than its ever been, except for the fact the recruiting rankings are actually higher than the group on either national title squad.
We haven't signed an "elite" RBs since ETN, but then again, who else are you thinking about??
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Re: It all hinges on QB. This is the most critical position
Nov 9, 2022, 11:45 AM
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Okay, I’ll bite.
Yes, DJ is part of the problem, But he was recruited by our coaches and should have been mentally and physically prepared and developed better by our coaches to lead this team and win. If he can’t do it, he should’ve been pulled and Cade should’ve been put in to play. Again, Cade should’ve been prepared to play. He hasn’t been. Who’s fault is that?
Our WRs have fallen off. In recruiting and development. Instead of Jalin Hyatt, we got EJ Williams and Ngata. Nobody goes out there and fights for that ball, other than Anthony Williams. No hunger. Who’s fault is that? Coaches.
OL is better than last year, but that’s not saying much. They can only do so much with DJ in concrete shoes.
TEs are more involved. Good, but should be more involved in plays. Who’s fault is that? Coaches.
Thank God for Will Shipley. Mafah is decent. But you can’t rely on Shipley to win the game versus good to elite teams. See ND….
Defense. Very disappointing. There are flashes of hunger and physicality, KJ, Carter, but they haven’t been consistent. They get gassed because our offense sucks. And Goodwin is horrible at making adjustments.
This coaching staff is responsible for the lack of development and preparedness of this entire team.
Goodwin looked like a deer in headlights Saturday night. Streeter has no idea what he’s doing in play calling, mostly because Dabo has his hands in everything offensive wise. When the coaches, including Dabo, are asked tough or semi-tough questions, they all get defensive and start harkening back to what they accomplished 4 years ago. They’re circling the wagons.
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I'll tell you what Ms. Keller, you go ahead and list your "problems" for FBALL, then
Nov 9, 2022, 2:41 PM
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I'll list the BBALL problems.
You really wanna discuss problems? You start.
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I'll tell you what Ms. Keller, you go ahead and list your "problems" for FBALL, then
Nov 9, 2022, 2:41 PM
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I'll list the BBALL problems.
You really wanna discuss problems? You start.
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If I'm going to shoot straight with you -- behind us.***
Nov 9, 2022, 10:11 AM
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Bar has been set very high
Nov 9, 2022, 10:13 AM
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In terms of “best”, we may not see another run like 2015-2020, but I believe that we can expect to be in the playoff conversation (if not the field) pretty much every year for the foreseeable future. The sky is not falling.
While we have been riding the edge this year, and what happened Saturday was not that unexpected (the loss, anyway, but not the manner), we are on a different plane than we were 10 years ago.
Pre-Dabo, if we were 8-1 and in the top 10, with our only loss on the road at Notre Dame, we would have been mostly content. Now, we are disappointed.
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Re: Bar has been set very high
Nov 9, 2022, 10:26 AM
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When the playoff eventually expands to 12 teams then I think making the playoffs every year has to be one of our main goals. Elite programs won't be satisfied and calling it a successful season if we can't even crack the Top 12. We have 3 or 4 more seasons before we reach that point but the planning and the execution to get ourselves in a position to consistently make those playoffs has to start now.
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I agree, Dabo has raised the bar for our expectations
Nov 9, 2022, 11:10 AM
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tremendously. I remember when winning the ACC and making a BCS bowl were our big goals. We've come a long way!
The difference now is not only that we've had tremendous success in the recent past, but also that we have invested heavily for that success. We pay Dabo over $10 million a year. We've spent hundreds of millions of dollars to set the standard for football facilities. We continually invest money in the stadium. We have an amazing and supportive fan base.
These investments are consistent with our expectations for the program, so they are reasonable.
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we'll find out after these elections
Nov 9, 2022, 10:13 AM
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i certainly hope so but there are a lot of idiots in California and the North East
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Re: I'm asking this as a serious question for discussion...
Nov 9, 2022, 10:17 AM
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What a stupid post!
I am sure that Dabo and the staff are saying hey are best days are behind us so let’s not try to win!!
Your thought and your post are stupid!
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Re: I'm asking this as a serious question for discussion...
Nov 9, 2022, 10:26 AM
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Actions speak louder than words...
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Re: I'm asking this as a serious question for discussion...
Nov 9, 2022, 10:37 AM
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Let me try and be a little more constructive. Sometimes when you come in with something to prove you fight a little harder, make the necessary adjustments, and do things a little differently to get to the mountaintop. Unfortunately, once you've made it there it gets harder to find the incentive to stay there. I just think we seem to have lost a little of the energy, and passion creativity needed and rested a bit on our past success. We need to recharge and get back to the same level of motivation we had when we were chasing those same goals in Dabo's earlier days.
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Re: I'm asking this as a serious question for discussion...
Nov 9, 2022, 10:22 AM
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Tough question to answer because there are so many things that must be addressed. I think we all
have confidence in coach Swinney to do all the right things. The talent is in place to be very good and remain very good for a long time. Team leadership is vital and I am not sure that this team has that on the field. I’ve watched the games very,very closely for the best on the field leader And all I see is Henry. He does more than his share. Remember when it was Boulware or Wilkins or Skalski? You must have this on the field leadership. I really don’t think it is on this team right now and it’s going to be tough to develop it in the next few weeks. For certain it “ain’t” DJ and never will be!
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Re: I'm asking this as a serious question for discussion...
Nov 9, 2022, 10:24 AM
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Best days are ahead of us. QB klubnik will return us to national prominence. He won back to back Texas 6A state championships. I watched the finals for 2021. I live in Round Rock Texas near Austin. Only giving him one series in the Notre Dame was pathetic coaching. He is a winner. DJ cannot scramble out of the pocket and therefore gets sacked a lot. DJ is not strong mentally and throws simple passes off target pushing the offense to3rd and long.
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Re: I'm asking this as a serious question for discussion...
Nov 9, 2022, 10:31 AM
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I watched his last game on ESPN and was really impressed. The first half was probably their worst half of the season but they rolled in the 2H. I wish Greathouse would have joined him at Clemson.
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Impossible to answer
Nov 9, 2022, 10:41 AM
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Way too many variables at play. Two nattys in 3 years is like catching lightning in a bottle. Only Alabama has been able to be that consistent. We will have some better days ahead, for sure, and likely some worse days, like last year. It's always an ebb and flow.
If you're here for nattys, move along (not saying you are, but there are many who are). If you're here to support Clemson University football and other athletics, then show up, show out, and enjoy the ride and supporting these great student athletes and coaches who represent this outstanding university and part of the country.
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Re: Impossible to answer
Nov 9, 2022, 10:48 AM
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So, as an example, I still love Clemson basketball even though we have not enjoyed the same level of success. Would I like to see them be more consistent and get back to March Madness more often? Absolutely! As a fan, I just want all of our teams to play to their potential and enjoy the success that comes with that. And yes, I do have high standards and high hopes for all of them.
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Re: I'm asking this as a serious question for discussion...
Nov 9, 2022, 10:45 AM
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It is going to be pretty hard to beat 2015-2019. Hard to say if we can get back there and definitely going to be difficult to stay there for 4-6 years at a stretch. I think there is more parity in college football and we will see teams rotate in and out of the top tier a little more often. We really enjoyed 2015-2019 but knew in the back of our minds that it would be very difficult to stay on top. Not surprised we have dropped off some but we are still in position for an ACC championship and Orange Bowl trip. Not too shabby.
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My feeling is BEHIND US due multiple factors beyond CDS’…
Nov 9, 2022, 10:47 AM
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…control.
NIL - Money is the game. It is hard to compete against bigger, better funded schools.
Transfer Portal - Free-for-all roster-jumping - Impossible to develop players - It will get MUCH worse before it gets better.
Conference $$ & recruiting incentives - Other conferences will continue to add to assets, ACC schools will struggle to complete and suffer in recruiting.
All of this is summed up in the players and roster that can be assembled. - I suspect that Clemson will NEVER be able to assemble a roster like the 2016/2018 teams ever again.
The BIG DOGS (Ohio State, Alabama, Michigan, Texas, Penn State, et al) will ascend and solidify their top tier status over the next 3 years.
I get quite depressed thinking about the upcoming struggles that the Clemson football program and CDS will have to face over the next three (3) years.
I certainly take the success and reputation of the Clemson football program far too seriously, and for that, I should probably get some therapy.
In this sense, Finebaum and Klatt are probably right in their assessment of the CDS dynasty being over. However, they won’t say out loud the reasons I outline above, but will only attribute Clemson’s demise to the inadequacy of CDS.
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This is a helluva good post!***
Nov 9, 2022, 11:57 AM
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I think we are still in the middle of our best days.
Nov 9, 2022, 10:49 AM
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That's an overall perspective. The sky seems to have fallen for the last two years but we are still ranked in the top ten even after passing out butt to ND like it was candy.
Things look gloomy after a beatdown and the embarrassment of having an unranked team appear to take us out of the playoff but we are still ranked to the envy of all but 9 teams in America.
Relativity plays into our logic but is ignored by our emotions.
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Re: I'm asking this as a serious question for discussion...
Nov 9, 2022, 11:00 AM
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TBD. We've dug our own hole because of complacency and an unwillingness to adapt to the realities of the current CFB landscape. I am just hoping it is not a grave.
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Not signing some transfer guys is NOT the
Nov 9, 2022, 11:04 AM
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reason we're 8-1 and ranked 10th. Lol at "unwillingness to adapt to the realities of the current CFB landscape".
That statement is waaay overreaching. It boils down to transfers, and they are not the reason we're 8-1 and 10th.
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Re: Not signing some transfer guys is NOT the
Nov 9, 2022, 11:14 AM
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I will give you one example where we did adapt for the first time and it really helped us. It used to be that Dabo would not accept commitments in the summer, only the fall. And this year for the first time he changed that and we had significant success in getting a lot of this year's recruits signed early and off the market. Had we done this in prior years we probably would not have lost some really key recruits. This is the kind of example where you have to make adjustments and not just keep doing it the same old way.
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Again, simply not true. When the summer signing peri
Nov 9, 2022, 11:26 AM
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period was implemented, we didn't hesitate to use it.
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You'll learn more Saturday
Nov 9, 2022, 11:05 AM
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Do we coach and play like best is the standard, where everyone is all in, where we have heart and guts and where we work for months on end because the 4th quarter is ours? Do we come out and punch Louisville square in the mouth and make them fall apart like Notre Dame did to us or do we sleep walk through 3 hours of football in the valley ?
A very successful man once said, and I quote--
"DO YOUR JOB"
We will find out Saturday who is capable of that. We are in the start of the 4th quarter of the season. Dont tell us why you work, dont show the little videos.
Show us. Make Louisville fall apart. Make them quit. Show us.
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Re: I'm asking this as a serious question for discussion...
Nov 9, 2022, 11:05 AM
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I feel like it’s up to Coach Swinney. I think if he revamps the coaching staff around him with the best possible coaches he can get, they can return to form. But if he doesn’t do anything, unless they find another Watson or Lawrence, or a few more Higgins or Mike Williams etc., the best days are behind him. What I’ve seen since the UGa game at the start of 2021, is the standard. And the inside promotions without even considering change of any type, isn’t up to standard. So it all depends on how Dabo handles things going forward. I have zero faith in the staff as it stands today.
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I think we can return to elite status
Nov 9, 2022, 11:06 AM
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but it's going to take some notable changes:
1. A willingness by Dabo to hire the best coaches. This doesn't mean that they can't be good people, but being a highly successful coach should be equal in importance to having high character. Most of Dabo's recent hires were not qualified for the role they were hired for, and we are seeing the effects of that. He really dropped the ball by not considering outside candidates for the open coordinator positions this year.
2. A willingness by Dabo to embrace new ideas. I feel that he has gotten stuck in his ways, as evidenced by the fact that we have gone from innovative and exciting a decade ago to stale and predictable now. This is partly related to his apparent lack of refusal now to hire coaches without ties to Clemson.
3. A willingness by Dabo to use the transfer portal. He is reluctant to use it and that has to change. There are good players who have transferred and been successful at their new school. There are good players who have transferred and not ruined the culture at their new school. It can work at Clemson.
4. A willingness to change our recruiting philosophy. We can't simply offer one or two players and wait on them to decide before offering others. We need to send out offers, let our priority recruits know that they are priorities, and also let them know that spots are first-come, first-served. This way, we are honoring our scholarship offers but aren't waiting around on a few players and putting ourselves behind the 8 ball if they go elsewhere.
We have so much good in place, thanks to Dabo. We have had tremendous success over the last 10 years, including plenty of players in the NFL. We have outstanding facilities. We graduate players. We have so much to offer, and my concern is that Dabo has gotten complacent on some level (perhaps even subconsciously). He doesn't seem to have the same fire he used to, and I miss that Dabo.
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Re: I think we can return to elite status
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Good comment Judge (I may have inadvertantly downvoted - sorry!).
I certainly think we can, but it'll be hard to ever top that run we had.
We have to recruit the portal. Elite programs do and it doesn't seem to hurt their morale. Maybe we'd have even better morale had we signed some guys who could protect the QB!
I am concerned about what impact the ACC media deal will have long term. The "new" Big-12 teams will still make a tiny bit less in rights (presumably, so too will the Pac-12), but the B1G and SEC will be swimming in money. Better resources, more money for coaches, etc.
I think there is good and bad about how he has managed the staff. He certainly showed, in the past, a willingness to make big moves. I'm very curious as to how he'll deal with the problems on offense now - as it might signal his approach in the future.
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Re: I'm asking this as a serious question for discussion...
Nov 9, 2022, 11:07 AM
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Serious answer is I think only Dabo can answer that ,but I am of the opinion that if we want to get back to the better days, then Dabo needs to make one move, and he needs to make it now. Bring back Jeff Scott, put him in the booth, bring Streeter to the field where he can assess each drive and talk face to face with the quarterback and make suggestions and corrections if needed. Meanwhile Jeff calls the actual plays.
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Re: I'm asking this as a serious question for discussion...
Nov 9, 2022, 11:19 AM
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And I'd put Goodwin back in the booth with Streeter so he can see the whole field and make better decisions and adjustments sooner rather than later.
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Re: I'm asking this as a serious question for discussion...
Nov 9, 2022, 11:21 AM
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Sorry, I meant Goodwin in the booth with Scott, per your comment. That is where Goodwin sat as an analyst and I think that is where he is most comfortable. He doesn't have a BV personality to bring the energy on the field that BV brought to the defense so put him back where he can do his best work.
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The reason I'm glad Dabo is our coach and none of us are...
Nov 9, 2022, 11:22 AM
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is because Dabo isn't asking that question. He knows our best days are ahead of us and I have significant confidence that he's evaluating everything to get us there. We might not agree with his decisions...and heck, he might get it wrong...but it's not because he lost one game and he's wallowing in self-pity about his glory days.
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Re: The reason I'm glad Dabo is our coach and none of us are...
Nov 9, 2022, 11:26 AM
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Fair enough, I respect your thoughts. Time will tell...
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Re: I'm asking this as a serious question for discussion...
Nov 9, 2022, 11:33 AM
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Let's be honest right now. Dabo is not wrong the Clemson faithful have been spoiled. Even on a 2 year slump Clemson is winning double digit games and recruiting well. It's not like Clemson is choking games away with regularity anymore and they win albeit ugly at times. To be a perennial top 10 team is nothing to scoff at. Clemson is out performing many "blue bloods" over the past 12 years.
Even though I'm guilty of being a fan and arm chair coaching at times I believe Dabo will fix any issues he sees over time, might have to get burnt a few times but he will make corrections. He's still a fiery competitor who loves God, his players, Clemson, and the game itself.
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Re: I'm asking this as a serious question for discussion...
Nov 9, 2022, 11:39 AM
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I would not disagree with you but I think the "fixing of the issues over time" is what people worry about. We'd like to see the pace of that start sooner rather than later. I think this offseason will give an indication of how serious he is about doing just that.
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Dynasty is over, but there's no reason Dabo can't
Nov 9, 2022, 11:41 AM
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create a second one with some changes. So the answer could be "both."
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Re: I'm asking this as a serious question for discussion...
Nov 9, 2022, 11:51 AM
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Clemson is paying Dabo close to a million a month to coach the Tigers. He is currently the second highest paid coach I college football. That kind of investment does not accept mediocre results. I don’t feel the best days are behind us. Dabo will make the necessary changes to correct the problems.
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Re: I'm asking this as a serious question for discussion...
Nov 9, 2022, 11:54 AM
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It can be tixed IF Dabo changes his mindset and goes forward with the idea that “ I have a responsibility to the entire team, the fans, the donors, and the legacy of this University” instead of “I have one guys back and will have it forever until he quits”
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Behind us
Nov 9, 2022, 2:37 PM
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And I hope I'm wrong. And this has nothing to do with coaching. NIL is going to completely rearrange the powers that be in College football. I just worry Clemson may not have to money to compete with the new big boys, which I believe will be Texas And Texas A&M. I hope I am wrong.
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Re: I'm asking this as a serious question for discussion...
Nov 9, 2022, 3:20 PM
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Neither, we are what we are. Ford and Dabo proved we are able to win it all if the chips fall right. Those chips don’t always fall right, but when they do we can. A lot depends on breaks, key players and getting the staff matured up. Dabo has stuck gold a few times, and he will do it again.
We’re not as entitled as we see ourselves right now. Maybe we need a little humble pie.
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Re: I'm asking this as a serious question for discussion...
Nov 9, 2022, 3:35 PM
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Todd already said we are cycling out.
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Re: I'm asking this as a serious question for discussion...
Nov 9, 2022, 3:46 PM
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As I've tried to say before, this is not 100% about Dabo, the staff, players, etc. No school is ALWAYS dominant. Sometimes there will be a drop off. It's inevitable. You cannot course adjust and become dominant again. You just can't "cheat death."
That said, the point I've tried to make before is that these other big name schools are not going to just sit around with their thumbs up their butts and say, "Well, I guess Clemson is just going to bear us forever. " They are going to make changes in response. They have done things like changing their offensive philosophy (Alabama) or their recruiting strategy (Ohio St). Othervteans are going to adjust. Clemson with have to counter with adjustments as well. It's a never ending cat and mouse game.
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Why be a fan of any team if you truly believe (long)
Nov 10, 2022, 9:32 AM
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that the team’s best days are behind it? I understand loyalty, and will never quit on any of my teams, but isn’t part of the DNA of being a fan that hope springs eternal…there is always next year.
Clemson is not a great example for me, as I am a 50 year fan and an alumnus, but my favorite non-Clemson team is. I was 8 years old when the Tampa Bay Buccaneers came into the NFL, and decided to adopt them as my team. At that time, most people in SC were Redskin or Falcon fans, but I wasn’t going to be a fan by default. The Bucs appealed to me because they wore orange (even creamsicle orange), I liked the Bucco Bruce logo, they were relative close geographically, and I saw some value in being a fan from day one.
I am not sure how old you are, but you might remember that the Bucs lost their first 26 games. But in their 4th season, they won their division and made it to the conference championship game (hosted it). First expansion team to do this. They won their division again two years later and made the playoffs the year after that. After 1982, it was FIFTEEN SEASONS before they made the playoffs again. Between 1997 and 2007, they made the playoffs 7 times, with 4 division championships, one conference championship (two championship appearances, and their first Super Bowl. Then came another 12 straight seasons with no playoff appearances. But they made the playoffs again in 2020 and won their second Super Bowl in 2021.
What if I thought our best days were behind us in 1980? Or in 2007? We are the current NFL champs, and we may or may not make the playoffs this season, but I will NEVER believe that our best days are behind us.
That would be a dreary fandom indeed. I still believe that both our Tigers and the Bucs can win it all THIS YEAR. We may be IN our best days, but the fan in me believes that the good days can last forever…they will NEVER be behind us. And when our current runs are over, I will always believe that a better run can start next season (cootish I know).
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I'm still thinking we have a shot at this year
Nov 10, 2022, 11:41 AM
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Not out of CFP / Natty discussion yet, regardless of the gnashing of teeth here.
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