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Finally, an omicron specific viral load study.
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Finally, an omicron specific viral load study.


Jan 11, 2022, 10:21 AM
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Been waiting for one. They always come from Asia for some reason. Seems to be Japan this time, instead of Singapore or China.

I'm just going to leave this here. It explains a lot. Brief summary: peak viral loads and transmission occur 5-6 days from symptom onset with omicron, with transmission possible through day 10. With Delta, peak viral loads were 2 days before to about 2 days after symptoms. CDC didn't bother doing a hands-on study guiding their choice to change the quarantine to end on day 5. Bad move. Really, it's kinda hard to make a worse call.

Anyway....the study.

https://www.niid.go.jp/niid/en/2019-ncov-e/10884-covid19-66-en.html


And if you want a comparison to delta, below is the same type of study (more thorough) for Delta. Much different numbers.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261295v1.full-text


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I'll have to read these later....question though


Jan 11, 2022, 1:08 PM
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were the findings for vaccinated folks or unvaccinated?

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"It's Baltimore, Gentlemen; the Gods will not save you."


Vaccinated.


Jan 11, 2022, 1:11 PM
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Doubt there's much difference. The Japanese study was vaccinated. The Singapore study with delta was vaxxed and unvaxxed, and showed no major difference (until later anyway, when you get rid of the virus or die from it). Omicron actually does leave the body quicker, per the Japanese study. Probably less chances of long covid as well.

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why do you want lockdowns and long


Jan 11, 2022, 1:13 PM
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quarantines for a virus that isnt killing anyone? Just asking for a friend. Cause that really seems to be your stance from the onset.

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No, no lockdown. The quarantine should be 10 days


Jan 11, 2022, 2:37 PM
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Get a vaccine and carry on.

That's it.

Please show me where I advocated a lockdown. I'd love to see it. Haven't since summer of 2020. That strawman's ship has long ago sailed.

Besides, it's only killing 1700 people a day. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we've gone to war for 20 years and spent $1 trillion avenging two days worth of covid deaths. Calculate the war with Japan over 2,400 deaths. I dunno, we're all numb now I guess.

If you tell people it's safe to leave quarantine after 5 days, and that's when they spread it the most, the benefit of that shorter time missing work will be offset by the increased cases. There's going to be a shutdown either way, a viral one or a government one. This won't go like South Africa.

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you know those covid death counts are bs


Jan 11, 2022, 2:47 PM
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so lets stop using those crazy numbers.

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*eye roll*...so if they were 25% less it's no biggie?***


Jan 11, 2022, 2:54 PM
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lets assume its only 25%. they said hospitalizations were


Jan 11, 2022, 3:01 PM
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most likely overinflated by around 40% but ok.

Would we have destroyed as many lives and lockdowns for a 25-40% less death rate?

Also, Why lie about this from the beginning? What was the purpose to overinflate the numbers?

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That was discussed below and they did NOT say...


Jan 11, 2022, 3:21 PM
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the numbers were inflated by 40%...that's what you wanted to hear.

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they used the word, overcounted. same thing***


Jan 11, 2022, 3:29 PM
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A million more Americans than normal have died since covid


Jan 11, 2022, 3:43 PM
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started. Period. If you want to chalk that up to bad tacos at Taco Bell or whatever else, fine. But that means SOMETHING new has become a leading cause of death to add that much to existing "normal" deaths. And whatever that is, bad tacos, whatever, is more serious than a heart attack, evidently.

I think it's really dihydrogen monoxide.

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historical death rate


Jan 11, 2022, 4:21 PM
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change to 2022, instead of future

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate


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Well, we've regressed back to my birth year.


Jan 11, 2022, 4:36 PM
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Bicentennial baby.....

Nice.

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actually


Jan 11, 2022, 4:39 PM
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there's a disclaimer i missed on this anyway for 2020-21

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What makes you say the numbers aren't right?***


Jan 11, 2022, 3:18 PM [ in reply to you know those covid death counts are bs ]
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Aren't you missing that the 5-day quarantine is....


Jan 11, 2022, 2:53 PM
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that quarantine period can end in 5 days if the exposed person is asymptomatic or if they were symptomatic, that they can end in 5 days if no fever for 24-hours?

Doesn't the Omicron variant typically have a faster onset of symptoms vs previous variants?

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They say it has less presymptomatic days


Jan 11, 2022, 4:22 PM
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Supposedly one, down from 2-3 with delta. I haven't seen that study or any data confirming that, but that's what "they" say. Then again "they" say by day 3 or 4 you're no longer contagious. I go by evidence/data, not talking heads though. And since the talking heads give no evidence, well.....

Anyway, it may all just be a moot point anyway, since omicron uses a different mechanism to infect cells from all prior covid variants. It may take much less initial dose of the virus to cause an infection anyway. Maybe masks are now useless, maybe aerosol size is smaller now and lingers longer. Who knows. Got to wait on the virus to get over to asia to learn anything useful.

I know probably 20+ vaccinated people with omicron. Not a one vaxxed has run a fever, my house included. Only unvaxxed 4yo ran a fever. Also know several other kids (unvaxxed) and unvaxxed adults, and every one has run a fever. Heck, covid notwithstanding, I would chalk it up to a funky cold, and would have probably only missed one or maybe two days of work, if that. But as it stands, 2 days into symptoms (tested negative on a home test - another sore topic) oldest son and I managed to infect 16 out of 16 people at Christmas.

Lot of things that Japanese study left out, and several other studies I guess are being studied as the virus gets to countries who study what needs to be studied. But that is the very first viral load study I've seen to date, for omicron. Hong Kong did one showing it resides in the throat and upper airways and not the lungs, 70 times higher there and much lower in the lungs. They released that study, and it's cited all over the world, and even by the CDC, yet WHERE IS THE SAME CDC STUDY? Kinda my point I guess. CDC has contributed zilch to really understanding the virus. They leave that to other countries, they simply message manage. They should be doing 90% science and 10% messaging. They're doing good if those ratios are flipped.

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