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False Covid test..
Jul 27, 2020, 7:13 PM
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Self Regional in Greenwood called me today to inform me that I have tested positive for Covid.. But the interesting thing is I have only taken 1 test and it was at the end of last month before my knee surgery.. That test came back negative.. This conspiracy is getting deeper by the day..
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Re: False Covid test..
Jul 27, 2020, 7:19 PM
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Here in Florida we had a local prison take 10 samples, without testing anyone they sent them back. A few days later 6 of the 10 came back positive. That’s 60% fakes positives. Multiply that through the country and you see where we really are. So how many died of other causes that they said was covid?
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You think it's just a bad year?
Jul 27, 2020, 7:51 PM
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A lot of excess deaths for no reason? Or are those statistics made up too. People aren't really dying. They are hiding in hospital basements until after the election.
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Re: You think it's just a bad year?
Jul 27, 2020, 8:29 PM
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Unfortunate deaths but not near as many from the Virus as listed. Those numbers are skewered as well.
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Those number indicate we are undercounting covid deaths
Jul 27, 2020, 8:35 PM
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to the tune of 30-40 thousand people based on expected death rates. And that's not factoring in the reduction in traffic fatalities from March through May.
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Re: Those number indicate we are undercounting covid deaths
Jul 27, 2020, 8:45 PM
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Not sure how you come up with the statement that we are undercounting but I disagree. Talking to family nurses and Paramedic friends they have several Deaths marked as covid that were simply not. That’s just in the upstate, couldn’t imagine how many death certificates were labeled wrong in the country.
I think it’s good news, some people will scream BS just to say the numbers are higher . It’s like they want more covid deaths, it’s mind boggling.
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Re: After the Cuomo disaster and all the deaths he caused, it
Jul 27, 2020, 9:11 PM
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Trump can barely control his own bladder much less anything of any import. This is a bull shirt analysis. It’s funny how you magatards pound the CDC, and any other group, as incompetent until the moment the say something that supports your argument. Let me ask you a question; if you take everyone off of the highways, and out of the airports, out of the factories, and away from the malls, off of the beaches, away from the parks, off of the trail...do you think the instances of accidental deaths might go down a smidge? Did you see anything in the “analysis” that stated they adjusted the expectation for the fact that we’re all now wrapped in bubble tape and packing peanuts? If one of the analysts on my team tried to pass this crap off as an analysis we’d send em to accounting. Let’s just throw some data in Tableau make some pretty combo charts and call it a day.
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Re: After the Cuomo disaster and all the deaths he caused, it
Jul 27, 2020, 9:57 PM
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I have seen reports screaming that we are not ensconced in a cocoon bubble but reopened WAY TOO EARLY and people AREN’T WEARING MASKS as they are OUT and going to Wal-mart, Home Depot, the beach, safely peacefully protesting with incendiary devices and thousand of their closest friends, etc.
Is that what you mean?
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Re: After the Cuomo disaster and all the deaths he caused, it
Jul 27, 2020, 10:14 PM
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Here’s a chart for you from people who know what they’re doing
World-wide activity has fundamentally changed. Making predictions based on historical data alone doesn’t cut it.
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You got any facts?
Jul 28, 2020, 1:44 AM
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Didn't think so. I bet you called for a complete shutdown in January while disagreeing with the Chinese block, and still wanting a complete shutdown 7 months later with Chinese still flowing in. Huh? Seriously, what would have been your plan?
Please show some facts and not feelings. Thanks.
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Re: After the Cuomo disaster and all the deaths he caused, it
Jul 28, 2020, 7:36 AM
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Trump can barely control his own bladder much less anything of any import. This is a bull shirt analysis. It’s funny how you magatards pound the CDC, and any other group, as incompetent until the moment the say something that supports your argument. Let me ask you a question; if you take everyone off of the highways, and out of the airports, out of the factories, and away from the malls, off of the beaches, away from the parks, off of the trail...do you think the instances of accidental deaths might go down a smidge? Did you see anything in the “analysis” that stated they adjusted the expectation for the fact that we’re all now wrapped in bubble tape and packing peanuts? If one of the analysts on my team tried to pass this crap off as an analysis we’d send em to accounting. Let’s just throw some data in Tableau make some pretty combo charts and call it a day.
Give her a break. The analysis is sound and doesn’t show what she thinks it shows anyway. The CDC dashboard shows a drastic reduction in excess deaths and that is correct. But it only includes data through June 2, before major states reopened, when we had 139.9k-192.4k excess deaths (about 110k attributed to covid). When the analysis is updated, it will show a further decline to July 2 and then an increase since because the death rate is back above the June 2 level.
I don’t understand how people who are generally competent enough to drive a car and use a toilet almost properly can look at a complicated death rate curve that obviously responds to state actions and peoples’ behaviors and claim that it’s all made up. If all of the counties in all of the states are really exaggerating the deaths to hurt Trump, why would they stop and let the covid deaths go to a minimum a month after the major states reopened? Did they all panic after that month, but then somehow coordinate the gradual increase over the last three weeks? And why are Florida and Texas the largest causes of the increase? I’m asking half the posers on this thread, in case you don’t recognize yourselves in the description.
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Re: Those number indicate we are undercounting covid deaths
Jul 27, 2020, 1:52 PM
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On the death certificate thing, are people saying that these people that died didn’t have Covid at all? Or that they did have it but they believe something else was the primary cause of death?
I ask because I’m not sure if some people have ever seen a death certificate. They don’t just list one single reason for death necessarily. My brother died earlier this year and had 6 or 7 different causes on his death certificate. It’s possible that someone can have a heart condition and get Covid and die and then have both causes on the death certificate. Sure, maybe that person was going to die soon from the heart condition, but who’s to say Covid didn’t contribute to taking them out sooner?
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Re: Those number indicate we are undercounting covid deaths
Jul 27, 2020, 9:43 PM
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My sister in Florida, 67 yrs. old with type 2 diabetes, just died last Friday afternoon of a "massive brain haemorrhage". She had cancer, but went to the hospital complaining of a severe headache. While they were figuring it out that the cancer had spread to her brain, she ruptured and bled out. I can't speak with her doctor, but have told other personnel involved not to list this as a covid death, or I'll sue them for all it's worth. Her prognosis was at least another two years, but things, like cancer and death, happen every day. God bless us all. And Monica would appreciate my saying...
Go Tigers!!!
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It's from the CDC
Jul 27, 2020, 9:47 PM
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They track deaths from all causes each year. Significantly more people than expected have died this year, and covid only accounts for about 75% of the excess number. Search on excess deaths. The page I looked at had links to the data and R scripts they used, so you can repeat the calcs with different assumptions.
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For some weird reason people don't like when you point this out.
Jul 28, 2020, 1:40 AM
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There are numerous states and medical institutions counting deaths as COVID even if COVID wasn't the actual cause. The people who love fear in society will TD this post, without any points of debate. Just watch.
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MSM and libs want to keep pumping the overexaggerated
Jul 28, 2020, 11:01 AM
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mortality rate to fuel their agenda. Plus, it is a FACT that hospitals get more funding for reporting COVID deaths.
If you don't see that, well, bless your heart.
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hospitals get more funding for reporting COVID deaths
Jul 28, 2020, 11:26 AM
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Please provide ANYTHING to support this "fact". It is, in fact, an outright lie.
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There are bonuses to medical providers in different states if
Jul 28, 2020, 11:30 AM
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They have taken care of a Covid patient. I can vouch for this specifically in the state of Arkansas. There are hospitals getting government money if they’ve taken care of Covid 19 patients. You’re actually quite wrong.
I’m a doctor so I disagree that we are over reporting because I would not cross that ethical boundary. But it is a fact that hospitals are getting more money for taking care of COVID-19 patients. It’s not some windfall like winning the lottery but it is a fact.
“ Medicare will pay hospitals a 20% "add-on" to the regular DRG payment for COVID-19 patients. That’s a result of the CARES Act, the largest of the three federal stimulus laws enacted in response to the coronavirus, which was signed into law March 27.
"This is no scandal," Antos said. "The 20% was added by Congress because hospitals have lost revenue from routine care and elective surgeries that they can't provide during this crisis, and because the cost of providing even routine services to COVID patients has jumped."”
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Re: There are bonuses to medical providers in different states if
Jul 28, 2020, 11:53 AM
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That's for taking care of a COVID patient though. That's different from saying they get paid more for a COVID death.
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I am acutely aware of what you write. However,
Jul 28, 2020, 11:58 AM
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"hospitals get more funding for reporting COVID deaths" is patently false.
Yes, for those on Medicare that are hospitalized by the virus...there is funding paid by the government at a rate consistent with hospitalizations due to similar issues like the flu. Same as a Medicare patient being treated for a broken arm, Medicare DOES pitch in on that. And that's simply how Medicare works.
Somehow though, a population of people have translated a standard Medicare reimbursement into HOSPITALS ARE FRAUDING THE WORLD BY FALSELY REPORTING CASES AND DEATHS.
They simply do not get ANY money for "reporting covid deaths".
And while we are on the conspiracy, do these same people fake x ray results to show Medicare recipients to have a broken hip so they can keep said patients in their facility longer and fraud the goverment? Sounds ridiculous, right? That's because it is.
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Not paid for deaths I agree. But you are paid for the
Jul 28, 2020, 12:21 PM
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Diagnosis treatment up until death. And you get paid more for that care if there is Covid. Now where I 100% agree with you is doctors are not out there lying about people having Covid 19 when they don’t—at least not as a general rule. Are there unscrupulous doctors and hospital administrators? Absolutely. But I’ll tell you that most doctors I know would not knowingly falsify information.
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Agreed. What I don't think people realize is that there is
Jul 28, 2020, 12:26 PM
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not even much for real incentive for a Dr to lie about this stuff. If you wanted to deep into potential conspiracies, it would take hospital admin to either falsify a Dr's report OR for them to flat out ask Drs to lie. I'm guessing 99.9% of Dr's would not risk their professional career to lie about something like that.
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Re: MSM and libs want to keep pumping the overexaggerated
Jul 28, 2020, 11:33 AM
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How is that a fact? Hospitals may get paid a certain amount from medicare and insurance companies for the type of treatment they give such as ventilators, but is there any proof that they get paid more for using a ventilator for COVID compared to using a ventilator for any other purpose?
It makes sense that a hospital would get additional funds for certain treatments. For instance, we can all understand how a hospital gets paid more for doing brain surgery than they do for giving someone Tylenol. I'd very much be interested in someone showing me something that explains how a hospital gets paid more for making up that a patient died from COVID compared to something else.
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Can't be explained, because it is 100% false
Jul 28, 2020, 11:59 AM
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and it's really odd how many people actually believe it.
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Re: Can't be explained, because it is 100% false
Jul 28, 2020, 1:38 PM
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Sorry wrong link
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Re: Those number indicate we are undercounting covid deaths
Jul 28, 2020, 8:29 AM
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Not arguing any other report than traffic deaths, but authorities said, and later backed up by facts, that traffic deaths were about the same. Reason - while driving was way down, speeding and distracted driving was way up. Traffic deaths were about the same.
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Re: You think it's just a bad year?
Jul 28, 2020, 11:28 AM
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yep.. uncle had heart problems for years. Had a heart attack a few weeks and they listed his COD as Covid. a few friends of mine say the same things about members of their own family who have passed away this year.
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your post is a myth and it never happened.
Jul 27, 2020, 7:23 PM
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from the party of science in 3, 2, 1....
just wait until they tell you you HAVE to take whatever they come up with as a vaccine.
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As long as you are wearing your tin foil hat after you take
Jul 28, 2020, 1:20 AM
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the vaccine, Bill Gates won't be able to read your mind.
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Re: False Covid test..
Jul 27, 2020, 7:29 PM
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Well I can promise you the virus is not a hoax. The virus is not a conspiracy. However the response from state and federal government and mainstream media have most definitely been biased, political, and agenda based. There in lies your conspiracy. But I promise you the virus is real and it does suck big monkey nuts. And it is killing people and making others VERY sick. I hate the mask thing as much as anyone. Heck I almost passed out today cuz I was in one so long getting groceries and the hypocrisy is EXTRAORDINARY. But the virus is real. I don’t know why government and authorities have to lie about it falsify facts and information. But the virus is real and you better hope you don’t get it because it sucks. BAD!!!
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Re: False Covid test..
Jul 27, 2020, 7:31 PM
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it's almost like they've taken something real and exaggerated it for some unknown reason.
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Re: False Covid test..
Jul 27, 2020, 10:11 PM
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"Almost like..."? Yeah, it's an election year, and anything real and exaggerated is confused with truth and blessed by the media. They are the "known reason".
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Re: False Covid test..
Jul 28, 2020, 1:03 AM
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So 30 people on the Clemson football team had it. Less than 2 weeks later nobody had it and they say half never had any symptoms but you are telling me the virus sucks bad? I do not understand. People are testing positive one day then going back and testing negative the next.
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Re: False Covid test..
Jul 28, 2020, 11:28 AM
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Unfortunately, the average person in this country isn't an 18-22 year old college athlete.
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Re: False Covid test..
Jul 28, 2020, 12:33 PM
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If you get the virus...and i do NOT wish that you do...you will understand. However like I said it does effect people differently but I can only relay my personal experiences and witness to it. And that is that it wasn’t deadly and hospitalization was not necessary but it lasted more than 2 weeks and was definitely without a doubt worse than flu or cold.
Just my witness.
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By "sucks bad", that may be a reference to the
Jul 28, 2020, 12:34 PM
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nearly 150,000 Americans that have died from it.
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Re: False Covid test..
Jul 27, 2020, 7:51 PM
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A lot of people on here will call BS, they seem to want the false high numbers for some wierd reason.
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Re: False Covid test..
Jul 27, 2020, 7:54 PM
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As I have said many times. You can prove anything with statistics. Statistics may tell you that you can teach an earthworm to stand on his head ... buy try it. ain’t gonna happen!
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Re: False Covid test..
Jul 27, 2020, 8:22 PM
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Which do you think would learn faster, night crawler or red wiggler? Maybe I should defer to the local fisherman....how bout it spud? Ever gotten one of those little guys to stand on its head? Shoot I never could tell which end was the head.
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Re: False Covid test..
Jul 27, 2020, 10:15 PM
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"There are lies, #### lies, and statistics" - Mark Twain. Truer words were never spoken.
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Re: False Covid test..
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BC they are you idiot. I went to urgent care for an eye infection a month ago, I masked up, got my height, weight took. Lady came in a face shield looked at me, and said was a simple infection. Never got swapped or anything but got a call saying I was negative. So tell me this Eisenstein, how did they test me? When nothing touched my eye? They got a test your keeping a secret?
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Re: False Covid test..
Jul 28, 2020, 10:30 AM
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So what did the doctor say when you called to ask how you got test results for a test you never took?
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Yeah, really. Nobody ever elaborates on these
Jul 28, 2020, 11:14 AM
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test stories. If I got a call saying I was negative or positive for COVID without having taken a test I sure as hell would be demanding some sort of explanation.
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Re: False Covid test..
Jul 28, 2020, 2:56 AM
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So is there a follow-up with the doctor? Obviously, you can't have 2 different results from the same test. Did you speak with a doctor or was this just someone making calls? Was the person aware you had already been given a negative result?
Are you one of those people who simply accepts what doctors say as the last word or do you challenge them especially in a situation like this? This sounds like an administrative mistake but I would have certainly been more interested in getting to the bottom of it than jumping on TigerNet to proclaim a conspiracy effort.
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I had a False Covid test..
Jul 28, 2020, 6:41 AM
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I tested negative and I had it. The false test works both ways
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The virus tests
Jul 28, 2020, 8:04 AM
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have more false negatives than false positives for acceptance. They all have errors of a few percent, but they want the errors biased to the negative side.
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No such thing as a false covid test
Jul 28, 2020, 6:36 AM
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ask Jimmie Johnson
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Orange Blooded [2563]
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covid...whatever. 600,000 die ANNUALLY from cancer
Jul 28, 2020, 7:57 AM
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500,000 die ANNUALLY from heart attack.
And we're stopping the country for something that won't reach half of either.
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All-In [37997]
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Re: covid...whatever. 600,000 die ANNUALLY from cancer
Jul 28, 2020, 8:32 AM
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Don't try to make sense out of this.
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110%er [5072]
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Athletic Dir [881]
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His numbers are a little off, but close
Jul 28, 2020, 11:03 AM
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Everybody knows heart disease is #1. If you combine heart disease and stroke, cancer doesn't stand a chance at that spot.
In looking that stuff up, I'm really impressed with the decline in death rate from heart disease over the last 30 years. And that's with an increase in heart disease overall.
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Athletic Dir [881]
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I hope we stay under 250k this year
Jul 28, 2020, 10:41 AM
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Depending on what happens in the next few weeks, it could pass that number before election day. Remember that H1N1pdm09 only killed 8k-18k the first year in the US, at which time Trump tweeted that Obama should resign over that total failure. But it has killed a lot more in the 10 flu seasons since, estimated at 75k as of 2018. If we get this one under control and it ends up behaving like a flu, expect something similar with a 40-60k burden each year for a while.
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Orange Blooded [3650]
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All I know is that I have lost several friends to the virus
Jul 28, 2020, 10:46 AM
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and it suxs
and it is highly contagious
and I would like to live so I will continue to protect myself and others
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All-In [40925]
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Sorry for your bad news
Jul 28, 2020, 11:23 AM
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add 1 to the list!
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110%er [8565]
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I would love to hear the explanation they gave you for this?
Jul 28, 2020, 12:11 PM
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Where was the mistake? Did they file anything with your insurance indicating you had COVID? I assume you followed up with them and just did not provide any details.
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Athletic Dir [881]
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If you really catch a mistake like that,
Jul 29, 2020, 9:26 PM
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it would be better for everybody to straighten it out on the spot. Otherwise, you are on the phone for an hour or so for contact tracing. Everybody who tells one on these little stories doesn't seem to correct it and doesn't seem to know what contact tracing is.
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Legend [16328]
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imagine during season
Jul 28, 2020, 12:46 PM
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we are set to play a top ten nd team in a massive game...lawrence, et and rogers all get false positives a week before the game....this season is going to be one big cluster not just from our end but everyone who plays
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