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If you could pick another team to join the ACC
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If you could pick another team to join the ACC


Jul 16, 2015, 8:50 PM

with Notre Dame making the ACC a 16 team conference who would you choose? One condition it can't be Penn State because they aren't leaving the B1G, nor can it be West Virginia because of their contract with the BigVII, it would have to be a team in a smaller conference.

Mine would be:

1. Central Florida

Then I would do what should have been done a long time ago make the ACC two divisions geographical. No one outside of the ACC has any clue who is in what division and this hurts interest in the league. The B1G figured this out and they have been better for making the change.

ACC South
1. Miami
2. FSU
3. Central Florida
4. GaTech
5. Clemson
6. Duke
7. UNC
8. NcState

ACC North
1. BC
2. Cuse
3. Pitt
4. ND
5. U of L
6 UVA
7. VaTech
8. Wake

Keep the championship game in its current location. I know some of you will say the South is too strong, but you can't setup a league based on current strengths, because they change over time. The South would have 4 teams that have won national titles in their past and the North would have 3 that have won national titles.

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Thats easy,TCU great program, Texas market***


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Re: If you could pick another team to join the ACC


Jul 16, 2015, 9:06 PM

I would go with UCF own fla. No way a Texas school comes, way to far.

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Jul 16, 2015, 9:16 PM

I'd pick Penn State. They fit geographically now that the ACC has northeastern schools, have one of the biggest stadiums in the country, and have won two national championships since 1980. Adding their football program along with Notre Dame would allow the ACC to split into North and South divisions that would be fairly evenly matched in both football and basketball. That would help Clemson's football recruiting because almost all ACC road trips for the Tigers would be in states where they recruit: North Carolina, Florida, and Georgia.

ACC South
Clemson
Duke
FSU
GT
Miami
NC State
UNC
WF

ACC North
BC
Louisville
ND
Penn St
Pitt
Syracuse
UVA
VT

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I like Penn St. then go to 4 divisions in the ACC


Jul 16, 2015, 10:44 PM

If not Penn St my other choices in some order

U.Conn for more basketball power both men and women

UCF or S. Florida

why not get into the SEC TV market with either

S. Miss, UAB, or Tulane and do not give any of them a full share of the TV money for 15 years since non of them bring much of anything to the conf. other than getting into that TV market

far reach would be

Okla. and Okla. ST or Texas (yes let them keep their TV network) and TCU or bring all 4 in and drop
BC, Pitt, Cuse, and ND since ND thinks they are above any conf. and won't join a conf.

most realistic team to join would be UCF or U.Conn along with ND, with those here are the 4 div.

South-------------Mid Atlantic----------------Central-----------------North

FSU---------------Clemson----------------------ND---------------------Va. Tech
Gt. Tech----------UNC--------------------------Louisville-------------Miami
Duke--------------Pitt-------------------------Cuse-------------------BC
Va.---------------UCF--------------------------WF---------------------NCST

each div. would play the teams in their div. and another div. for two years then switch divs. Have two cross over teams so when you're playing a div. with one of the cross over teams in it you would pick up the other cross over team to give you 8 conf. game a year. You would switch the cross over teams every two years also.

The winner of those two divs. would play each other in the ACCCG.

Clemson cross over teams would be Ga. Tech and Louisville

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The problem with UCF is they dont add a TV market...


Jul 16, 2015, 9:19 PM

We'd be splitting the money to an extra school without really adding more leverage for a larger TV contract because we wouldn't be widening our viewing base. This wasn't a problem when we added teams already in ACC states (VT and Miami) 10yrs ago because they were Natl brands and contracts were no where near as lucrative as they are now.

For now, I'm not sure there is a team out there that really adds value to the ACC. I'd hate to see us add a team just to do it. But if you're suggesting we felt we had to and we HAVE to pick then I might go with Cincinnati.

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Having ND would greatly increase our contract


Jul 16, 2015, 10:13 PM

the ACC would have ABC,ESPN, and NBC. ND is the biggest draw in all of college football and it isn't even close.

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The numbers on Notre Dame and its TV value say different.


Jul 17, 2015, 1:12 AM

The ACC is already bringing in $25 Mil, or close to it, now. ND's cut is $5 Mil or so - 20%, so there's $20 Mil in the balance. Their prior deal with NBC was $15 Million annually, and considering they're touting 65% growth in viewership since 2011, if the deal jumped to $25 Mil per year now, that's what the rest of the league is doing anyway. ND's extra $5 Mil doesn't divide by 16 too favorably. The collective league benefit of getting ESPN/ABC/DISNEY 2-3 Notre Dame football games each year at ACC stadiums is likely higher than the $5 Mil ND's getting on top of their own. The way this deal was struck ND is getting ZERO TV compensation from the ACC's ESPN package, as our teams get zero TV dollars playing in South Bend.

Here's a link to the ESPN story on Notre Dame's current contract.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9186897/nbc-extends-notre-dame-fighting-irish-football-deal-2025

My math isn't what it used to be but what I'm seeing is scant financial gain for the league, at a cost of losing one of college football's unique personalities.

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So apparently Notre Dame's # is $20 Million from NBC


Jul 17, 2015, 1:31 AM

in their latest deal - so their numbers and value are a wash.

"But last year (2013) NBC signed its fifth and biggest (some sources value the entire package close to an average of $20 million a year) deal with Notre dame. This deal was particularly important for NBC, not just because of the price, but because it gave the network global media rights on all platforms–broadcast, cable, digital, regional, and even international–to a minimum of seven Notre Dame home football games each year, with most airing on the main NBC network."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2014/10/05/notre-dames-stunning-win-over-stamford-shows-why-nbc-was-right-about-fighting-irish/

Notre Dame's deal also give the ACC extra exposure on a different national broadcast network 2-3 times a year to boot.

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Re: So apparently Notre Dame's # is $20 Million from NBC


Jul 17, 2015, 1:49 AM

1st choice is Penn State given their location and alumni base; it would also even out the N/S balance a little. We would have to put up with their fans who are a bunch of wackos though.
2nd choice is Cincinatti which would also introduce somewhat of a new market in addition to solid football and basketball programs.
3rd (1st if we're being unrealistic) is Auburn. National recognition, a new market, and acceptable academics (especially seeing as we already have FSU and Louisville with a similar profile).

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Where are you getting that ND gets a $5 million cut?


Jul 17, 2015, 3:32 PM [ in reply to The numbers on Notre Dame and its TV value say different. ]

An estimated 80% of the ACC's television contract is football related. And Notre Dame gets none of that. So say your $25 million is a correct number, $20 million is football related and goes to the 14 ACC schools that are football members. The last $5 million you bring up would not go to ND, ND only gets 1/15th of that as the last $5 million would be equally shared amongst the 15 "all sports" schools.

I don't think your manipulation of these numbers is accurate or reflects the impact that Notre Dame joining as a football member would have. Seeing as both contracts are relatively new, it would demonstrate incredible lack of foresight on both the ACC and ND's part to devise a contract that did not have clauses allowing them to reconstruct some terms in the situation of alterations in conference alignment.

Lets put it this way. Adding ND as a partial member ALREADY increased the amount earned from the football contract with ESPN by over $1 million per school just because they get to broadcast 2/3 ND games a year. Imagine if they get 5, or 6, or if ND's NBC contract has an opt out that would allow the ACC to control all 12 of ND's games.




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The $25 Million reference was for the expected per team


Jul 18, 2015, 2:44 PM

ACC payout. ND's is only 20%, so their league take is $5 Million.

All's I'm saying in looking at the contract and payout numbers is that NBC and ND both feel their 6-7 home games are worth $20 Million a year, the same TV revenue # that the 14 league teams are each receiving now from ESPN. To me, this dispels the notion that having ND go from the current 5 games to 8 league games as a full-time member would somehow have a significant financial impact on the league. In fact, it looks like a zero sum gain once ND got their full split.

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Jul 16, 2015, 9:24 PM

I choose South Carolina. It would take away the only thing they have going for them and make our division a little easier. It would be nice watching all of the lowly ACC teams continue their dominance over the chickens.

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I second this for the very same reasons.


Jul 16, 2015, 10:01 PM

Nothing would make me happier than to see the ACC dominate them year in and year out, proving once and for all that they COULD NOT win here either.

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It would be fun watching them back pedal on the "ACC is weak"


Jul 17, 2015, 12:57 PM [ in reply to Re: If you could pick another team to join the ACC ]

comments.

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Jul 17, 2015, 2:54 PM [ in reply to Re: If you could pick another team to join the ACC ]

Leave the ##### in the sec or a jv team.we need a hated rivel to play every year as something to look forward to. Besides bowl games.

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Jul 17, 2015, 3:15 PM

Didn't know I had to say sc gamecocks instead what they are called .we need them to have a hated rival to play every year to look forward to beside bowl games. gO. tigers.

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Hate to say it but .... UCONN


Jul 16, 2015, 9:24 PM

Would love to get JMU but they are FCS but would get the DC Metro Market (lost becuase of UMD leaving) ... UCONN would solidify the NE Corridor (Very Lucrative) and those limousine liberals coming to Clemson WOULD be entertaining

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Does the North East help us TV wise though?


Jul 16, 2015, 9:26 PM

That is a professional section of the country. College FB isn't a huge deal up there so I wonder how much that really gives us. I may be wrong, just spit balling here.

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Find a team in the South or West. I don't give a #### about


Jul 16, 2015, 10:45 PM [ in reply to Hate to say it but .... UCONN ]

Markets. Pick based on rivalries and border wars. Clemson vs BC or Syracuse does nothing for rivalries like we see between SEC teams in the South. Same with the Tigers playing-USuC, UGA, and other close teams-these rivalry games make great college football.

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Please not a directional school from Florida. We already


Jul 16, 2015, 9:25 PM

have two Florida schools. I would bring in another SEC state like Tennessee by taking Memphis or B10 state Ohio by taking Cincinnati.

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Jul 16, 2015, 9:29 PM

The only answer is Penn State. UGA or FLA would be grand slams, but would never leave the SEC.

CFU is ECU with more students.

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Auburn


Jul 16, 2015, 9:35 PM

I'd take Auburn. Great rival they would make.

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I don't see Notre Dame joining a conference any time soon.


Jul 16, 2015, 9:51 PM

I like that they play west coast teams, a few other Power 5 league teams, and 5 ACC contests. It's a cool measuring stick and I don't know that the ACC would benefit all that much financially if they went full time. We already get 2-3 league broadcasts annually with them as it is under this arrangement.

Having said that, I'd still love to see us buy out Wake Forest (they might even want that), and work a deal with the Big 12 to add West Virginia in their place. The Big 12 would have BYU, Houston, SMU, and Boise St. as more natural additions than what they have now in WVa.

Then scrap divisions altogether, set up 3 annual rival games per program, and let's play every league team at least twice every four years, put the top 2 annually in the ACCCG, and roll from there.

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Boise St...since they play good ball & have justgone away from Blue rug.


Jul 16, 2015, 10:00 PM

LOL..and GoTiGERS!

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No kidding. Not a fan at all of colored fields, but


Jul 16, 2015, 10:13 PM

apparently it's only temporary for the soccer match they're hosting this summer.

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Navy***


Jul 16, 2015, 10:05 PM



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Problem is ACC North $ucks***


Jul 16, 2015, 10:06 PM



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Swap Wake with Unc or nc state***


Jul 16, 2015, 10:09 PM



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Jul 16, 2015, 10:14 PM

I've been thinking for a while that I'd like to see Navy join with ND. It solves a scheduling problem ND has and would make their transition more likely. Also, academically they would bolster the conference. As much as I hate the triple option it would give the ACC a unique identity. If I have to pick a second choice, it would be Southern Miss. New TV market, and with their history, I think putting them in a Power 5 would make their football team pretty competitive.

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ok, no Boise "Blue Rug" St..but do like Navy or So. Miss


Jul 16, 2015, 10:29 PM

GoTiGERS

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Jul 16, 2015, 10:44 PM [ in reply to Re: If you could pick another team to join the ACC ]

I think from a overall athletics stand point, I'd go with University of Memphis. Gave Ole Miss all they wanted and finished 10-3 last year. Nothing has to be said about basketball program. Would tap into that Memphis area talent, Alabama dips in and gets many quality players. Need to move out west.

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Jul 16, 2015, 10:48 PM [ in reply to Re: If you could pick another team to join the ACC ]

USCe isn't leaving the SEC so forget them. PSU almost transferred, but Big 10 gave them Hockey and they stayed. My first choice is West Virginia, second would be Navy and third would Cincinnati. The ACC does not need UConn and BC would vote them down. Buy out the remaining GOR for WVa. over a decade and create four Pods. Each team would play their three and rotate six, home and away in a nine game conference schedule. The top two teams would meet in Charlotte. ND could still play USCw and Stanford every season as well as Navy if wanted.

Go Tigers!

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Jul 16, 2015, 11:00 PM [ in reply to Re: If you could pick another team to join the ACC ]

I agree with Navy. They have a good football program, very good non-revenue sports, the DC-Maryland TV market, a national reputation and following and are intertwined with ND. Also, I would love having an academy in the conference and they are the epitome of student-athletes.

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Jul 16, 2015, 11:11 PM

I like Navy if ND went all in for #15, but I would also want to pick up Georgetown for basketball. Both would secure the Maryland market. Both would round out all of our revenue sports.

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Jul 16, 2015, 11:33 PM

I would add Cincinnati

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WVU or Penn St make the most sense


Jul 17, 2015, 12:01 AM

Cincy next. After that it gets redundant. Maybe a Memphis

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Penn State would is the big fish. Academics, football crazy


Jul 17, 2015, 12:09 AM

and in a good recruiting area.

Penn State also would have natural rivals with Pitt and Boston College.
Many Penn State fans would love to join the ACC. They hate the Big10

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Delaware or Navy to give us that Philadelphia or Baltimore


Jul 17, 2015, 12:11 AM

markets back.

Delaware actually would make a lot more sense than most realize. It mirrors most ACC schools in academics, student population and endowment. Why they don't have a larger presence in college athletics is beyond me.

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Delaware would be good.


Jul 17, 2015, 1:02 PM

Give Wake Forest a team to compete with.

SMH

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Lamar***


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Vandy***


Jul 17, 2015, 2:03 AM



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Given your exclusions and in a highly imaginative


Jul 17, 2015, 5:12 AM

fit of daydreaming, I'd opt for the Dawgs....placed in our division, of course, just to see Clemson and Georgia have at it every year, as we should.

Of course, in these days I understand conference alignments; however, it has always been unfathomable to me that we don't compete annually against a school like Georgia sitting an easy drive from God's Country.

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Jul 17, 2015, 8:27 AM

I've said it before. Memphis would be the number one priority. It's a city of over 1 million people full of top class athletes that the sec pillage yearly. It would put the account right in the heart of the sec and they have a great football coach who has done miracles there and if they joined the acc they would lock him up long term. The basketball program speaks for itself and pastes done so they will get a quality coach, especially if they were going to the acc. Plus they have a mega-money backer in Fred smith. In the acc they really become a power and put a good hurt on TN, AR, Ole miss, lsu, Alabama and all the other sec schools who raid the talent there. It's a no brained in my opinion.

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Jul 17, 2015, 8:29 AM

*pastner not paste and acc not account. Effin phone

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Jul 17, 2015, 8:35 AM [ in reply to Re: If you could pick another team to join the ACC ]

I forgot to mention their long rivalry with Louisville. Their fan bases hate each other. In fact pitino was what got Memphis into the aac so they could renew that rivalry but acc called before it could.

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I love this choice. Shows great insight into what an expans


Jul 17, 2015, 1:03 PM [ in reply to Re: If you could pick another team to join the ACC ]

ion is supposed to do. Create rivalries, open markets and be relevant for more than a single sport ... though, let's be real, its all about football. :)

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50,000 seat football stadium. Looks like a good choice.***


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Re: 50,000 seat football stadium. Looks like a good choice.***


Jul 17, 2015, 2:14 PM

They play in the liberty bowl.

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Penn State will be the team if one is needed.***


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Jul 17, 2015, 11:01 AM

Georgia, great rivalry and the ACC would have the dominant exposure in 2 of the top 4 states for recruiting (no other conference could make that claim). Penn St would be second simply because they would allow the ACC to lock down the north east market and allow for a more balanced north/south split.

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Jul 17, 2015, 11:19 AM

It's Penn State by a long shot IMO. I'm scratching my head at most of the other schools suggested here.

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Jul 17, 2015, 11:58 AM

There's no chance at Penn st. Might as well say Ohio st or Michigan. Others are reasonable reponses

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Jul 17, 2015, 2:20 PM [ in reply to Re: If you could pick another team to join the ACC ]

Did you even read the original post before arbitrarily saying your school? His first condition, it CAN'T be Penn State...

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The ACC isn't going to admit a school with a lousy academic


Jul 17, 2015, 2:05 PM

reputation, so there goes 90% of the list. So for instance, it wouldn't matter what contractual issues West Virginia had or didn't have. They're a crappy school and the ACC isn't going to admit them. Penn State would be intriguing, but as you say, they aren't going to drop the enormous amount of revenue they generate as part of the Big 10. Notre Dame would be an excellent full member. Texas might be an interesting choice. They're a liberal mecca in the s***hole of Texas, which means they have a very solid academic reputation, and they're only an hour's time zone away. Kind of a prima donna though.

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The ACC invited Louisville...


Jul 17, 2015, 2:05 PM

so who knows?

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Navy


Jul 17, 2015, 2:34 PM

If it would bring ND in as a full Football member. They are permanent rivals and if that game counted as a conference game it would help ND's non conference scheduling

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Jul 18, 2015, 3:33 PM

Texas

a) huge TV market
b) have their own TV Network
c) more money than god
d) opens Texas for recruiting for other ACC teams
e) Austin is a fun road trip

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