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Re: Coach
Apr 16, 2022, 10:01 AM
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I can't wait to hear about how good he was.
Good luck Kareem!
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So here is yet another assistant basketball coach we lost to a power 5 program.
Apr 16, 2022, 10:14 AM
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The trend continues:
-Hire a guy from a small program -Pay him more than he was making but less than most other power 5 schools pay their assistants -Teach him and groom him for more responsibility -Lose assistant to a power 5 school who pays him more
When are we hiring a coach from a power 5 program? When will we stop being a stepping stone program for assistants?
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It’s amazing how your goggles filter out any other possibility other than
Apr 16, 2022, 11:28 AM
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Woe is me, we don’t support our assistant coaches etc. in the rest of the world, people like to move around, gain a variety or experiences etc. they work with someone, learn what they can, and then move on to another situation where they can learn more, etc. But the only way to explain it is that he’s underpaid at Clemson. Most assistant coaches are stepping stones. Believe it or not often assistants want to be head coaches some day.
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It’s amazing how your goggles only allow you to see negative about our coaches.
Apr 16, 2022, 8:18 PM
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Maybe you should give our basketball coaches the benefit of the doubt sometime.
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Your beer goggles ain't so clear either missy.
Apr 18, 2022, 3:19 PM
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You're caught in your contradictions again.
Apr 16, 2022, 11:48 AM
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You previously said we don't win enough because we didn't pay enough to have good assistants.
Now you say we have good assistants but they leave because we don't pay them enough.
If they were so good, and Brad is a good head coach and leader, THEN WHY DIDN’T WE MAKE ANY TOURNAMENT THIS YEAR?
I'll tell you why. Because a team is a reflection of the head coach and his coaching style and leadership. The head coach has two top-40 finishes in 12 years, yet he's paid the 38th highest salary in America? That makes no sense at all.
Brad has had EVERYTHING he needs to make tournaments. It's not the assistants, the players, the facilities, the administration, or the fans. It's the head coach.
Again, I like Brad and wish he would have succeeded. He hasn't.
We all know you won't address you talking out both sides of your mouth, but it's perfectly obvious you are.
I want Brad to succeed, but based on 12 years of data one has to deduce it will be another frustrating season in 2022/23. The neat thing about that is you'll disappear once things start to go astray just like you did the past sea9n, and then if Brad is finally let go you'll disappear for good with him.
Your desire for Brad to succeed exceeds your desire for Clemson to succeed. We may never know what your personal tie to Brad is, but you'll be gone forever this time next year.
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You haven't even been here six months guy, Judge was here
Apr 16, 2022, 2:15 PM
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6 years before Brad got here and he'll be here 6 years after you've had to move on to another handle
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You're caught in your contradictions again.
Apr 16, 2022, 11:48 AM
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You previously said we don't win enough because we didn't pay enough to have good assistants.
Now you say we have good assistants but they leave because we don't pay them enough.
If they were so good, and Brad is a good head coach and leader, THEN WHY DIDN’T WE MAKE ANY TOURNAMENT THIS YEAR?
I'll tell you why. Because a team is a reflection of the head coach and his coaching style and leadership. The head coach has two top-40 finishes in 12 years, yet he's paid the 38th highest salary in America? That makes no sense at all.
Brad has had EVERYTHING he needs to make tournaments. It's not the assistants, the players, the facilities, the administration, or the fans. It's the head coach.
Again, I like Brad and wish he would have succeeded. He hasn't.
We all know you won't address you talking out both sides of your mouth, but it's perfectly obvious you are.
I want Brad to succeed, but based on 12 years of data one has to deduce it will be another frustrating season in 2022/23. The neat thing about that is you'll disappear once things start to go astray just like you did the past sea9n, and then if Brad is finally let go you'll disappear for good with him.
Your desire for Brad to succeed exceeds your desire for Clemson to succeed. We may never know what your personal tie to Brad is, but you'll be gone forever this time next year.
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Re: So here is yet another assistant basketball coach we lost to a power 5 program.
Apr 16, 2022, 11:53 AM
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The trend continues:
-Hire a guy from a small program -Pay him more than he was making but less than most other power 5 schools pay their assistants -Teach him and groom him for more responsibility -Lose assistant to a power 5 school who pays him more
When are we hiring a coach from a power 5 program? When will we stop being a stepping stone program for assistants?
Might have been forced out? Only there one year and worked with the guards. and the only guard to make any improvement was Chase Hunter. Everyone else digressed. maybe he was forced out to hire a better assistant
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I'm not even sure how I feel about other schools hiring away
Apr 16, 2022, 10:20 AM
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our assistant coaches in basketball. They have not contributed to stellar success here, so is losing them a detraction, or a possible improvement with their replacement? It is a conundrum.
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Other schools want our coaches, so it says something about
Apr 16, 2022, 10:32 AM
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the good reputation Brad has within the coaching profession.
If they weren’t good coaches who aren’t respected, we wouldn’t have anyone stealing them away.
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Re: Other schools want our coaches, so it says something about
Apr 16, 2022, 11:40 AM
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Keats barely hung onto his job this year. IMO this move is a bit of a head scratcher as both regimes are one the way out with another subpar year. Maybe he thinks Keats has a better chance of surviving after next year.
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Re: Other schools want our coaches, so it says something about
Apr 16, 2022, 12:03 PM
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Keats barely hung onto his job this year. IMO this move is a bit of a head scratcher as both regimes are one the way out with another subpar year. Maybe he thinks Keats has a better chance of surviving after next year.
Right now Clemson is projected higher than NC State in the ACC next season. Manny Bates was their best player and went to the portal. Also the big guard is testing the NBA draft.They might be predicted last in the ACC next season like this past one unless expect some great returns in the portal.
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Because of the fans.***
Apr 16, 2022, 11:53 AM
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You previously said good assistants didn't come here
Apr 16, 2022, 11:51 AM
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because our pay is low.
Our assistants are good enough to win more. The buck stops with the head coach.
You have clearly taken a 180 degree turn. You're a fraud, Mrs. Brownell.
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You need help connecting the dots.
Apr 18, 2022, 3:06 PM
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Because Clemson is cheap when it comes to paying assistants, we get them from smaller programs.
We develop them as coaches here, because Brad is a very good coach.
Those coaches improve, and other schools hire them away for more money (which we aren't paying them).
Doesn't it bother you that power five programs who aren't as good as us recently are paying more for assistant coaches?
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Re: Other schools want our coaches, so it says something about
Apr 16, 2022, 11:59 AM
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the good reputation Brad has within the coaching profession.
If they weren’t good coaches who aren’t respected, we wouldn’t have anyone stealing them away.
For an assistant only there for one season, and who left for a coach Kevin Keatts more on the hotseat than Brad? He might there for just one season?
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Clemson Basketball Season 13: The Quest for Warm Bodies***
Apr 16, 2022, 12:02 PM
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Have you applied for the job yet coachviz? That volunteer
Apr 16, 2022, 3:11 PM
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coaching you did in little league has afforded you a perspective that 95% just don't have...Please, share your experience
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Re: Coach
Apr 16, 2022, 1:06 PM
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I have held my tongue for the most part, but there is no way that either of these coaches was asked to leave. Dean (along with Earl Grant) was one of the best assistant coaches Brownell has ever had from a standpoint of recruiting and player development, and was someone the players could actually relate to. We were told just last year what a steal Richardson was. For those guys to leave and for Bender (who adds next to nothing aside from being Brownell’s buddy) to be allowed to stay makes no sense.
In addition to IPTAY, I have supported the program through the years by giving to Brownell’s discretionary fund so that the team has access to things like private charters to holiday tournaments, upgrades to locker rooms, etc. I will no longer throw good money after bad when it’s beyond clear that things are NEVER going to be consistently good under this head coach’s watch. The last thing we needed after the disappointment of last season and seeing two of our better players transfer is to lose our only two full-time assistants that are any good and that the players can relate to.
I get Graham Neff being new in his role and wanting to give Brownell one more chance, but hopefully this will teach him that what must be done eventually should have been done immediately.
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Please let Neff know that we need to pay our assistants more
Apr 18, 2022, 3:08 PM
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I can guarantee you that both Reynolds-Dean and Richardson will be making more at their new stops, despite those programs having less success recently than we have had.
It should make every Clemson basketball fan upset.
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Nice spin…
Apr 18, 2022, 3:14 PM
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while Reynolds-Dean may make more money at UGA, CBB already stated he doesn’t think money was the determining factor with him. He went on to list the reasons he felt he left.
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Brad said that he doesn't know if money was part of it
Apr 18, 2022, 3:22 PM
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but that he is probably getting paid more.
Brad also said recently that assistant coach pay is an issue.
I'm not sure why you are continuing to debate this.
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I know exactly what Brad said…
Apr 18, 2022, 3:23 PM
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I listened to the entire conference. I even transcribed part of it for us. See post below.
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I also know what Brad said.
Apr 18, 2022, 3:26 PM
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Assistant coach pay is an issue at Clemson. We've been over this.
Brad isn't going to come out and say, "Clemson's administration is being cheap and keeping me from recruiting better assistants to Clemson." But he's alluded to this being a problem, and Neff has as well.
But if it makes you feel better to argue this point, then go right ahead.
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CBB lied in the press conference?
Apr 18, 2022, 3:30 PM
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I don’t think that’s true at all. I think Coach Reynolds-Dean left for reasons other than money, just as CBB indicated. Will he make more at UGA? Maybe. Was money the determining factor for him to leave Clemson. Apparently not.
Not sure why you continue to use Reynolds-Dean as an example of coaches leaving because we don’t pay enough. But if it makes you feel better to argue the point, go right ahead.
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This is probably the first time you’ve seen this…
Apr 18, 2022, 3:20 PM
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but…
I listened to the CBB press conference and CBB said he felt that Antonio Reynolds Dean left because he wanted to be closer to home, help save/resurrect the program and he was close to several of the assistants already there. He seemed to think it had little if anything to do with money when asked... "ahh I don't know, it might have been a little more money but it wasn't, I don't know, you'd have to ask, I don't know exactly why Antonio left but I'm speculating on some of those things obviously we talked about, I think there's is as much a pull to be home, right, I just think that's, and a challenge he was excited about." -CBB
Sounds like money wasn't the issue here. Maybe he got a raise, but it was interesting that CBB seemed to think that wasn't the main factor in this departure.
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I'm sure money wasn't the only factor.
Apr 18, 2022, 3:24 PM
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But given our pattern of losing assistants to other programs that pay them more, you certainly can't discount that as a strong possibility here.
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CBB seems to have discounted it.***
Apr 18, 2022, 3:24 PM
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Brownell literally acknowledged that Reynolds-Dean might be
Apr 18, 2022, 3:28 PM
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getting paid more at Georgia, but he doesn't know.
He also said he doesn't know if that was a factor.
That still doesn't change the fact that we don't pay our assistants very well, and are forced to hire them from places like Quinnipiac, UMKC, and Rhode Island. It also doesn't change the fact that we tend to lose assistants to other programs that pay them more.
As I've said before, if this were happening repeatedly for our football program, people here would be losing their ever loving minds. But basketball? Meh, no one cares.
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Yeah, I know what he said, I transcribed it…
Apr 18, 2022, 3:32 PM
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Never did I hear CBB insinuate Reynolds-Dean left because of money. I have heard you insinuate that though.
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