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If one bad loss in December
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If one bad loss in December

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Mar 7, 2023, 8:03 AM

keeps you out of the tournament why play the rest of the season? All of the good work is being ignored. I don’t care what the NET says. This a tournament team.

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4 bad losses, 2 Q3 + 2 Q4, the eyesore is UL, which now...

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Mar 7, 2023, 8:09 AM

find themselves the worst power 5 team in all of the land. They're special and not just needs.





That Brownelling took place 3 weeks ago and yes, Clemson is currently an NIT team. Fingers crossed...




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the real question is how did Louisville fall so far?

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Mar 7, 2023, 8:50 AM

They didn't look like that bad of a team. They had two guys that could hit from 3 and a pg that was good at getting to the rim and scoring. I was a little confused that they lost so many this year.

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brand new coach

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Mar 7, 2023, 8:52 AM

thats why the grass is not always greener on the other side. If Neff ever fire Brad, he needs to know he'll get HIS guy before firing.

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Not nearly that simple, Mack & the Gaudio situation left...


Mar 7, 2023, 9:03 AM

a huge dark cloud over the program. There was some serious mess going on behind the scenes, threats, extortion.

Kenny Payne is a Louisville homie with not much, if any HC experience. I'm sure it was a culture, feel good hire with the home fires burning, although he's been lauded for his Assistant work.

https://www.si.com/college/louisville/basketball/breaking-down-payne-hire

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It’s basketball - anyone can beat anyone -much more


Mar 7, 2023, 9:12 AM [ in reply to the real question is how did Louisville fall so far? ]

So is the case than football. Especially when you’re on the road in conf. That to me is what is so stupid about the Net. Totality of wins and w the upper limits of who you can beat should be the driving factors - losing a few games to bad teams should be irrelevant because you already get dinged for the loss on your record- that should be enoug. The system needs an overhaul. Can’t wait until they expand the tourney to 128 or split into multi divisions. 325 teams in a division is beyond ridiculous - there isn’t a way to get an accurate assessment - just know the one they have now is worse than before for getting the right teams in. And if it supposedly all about NET then why did we get left out a few years ago with a NET in the 30s.

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It's not all about the NET and never has been.***

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Mar 7, 2023, 9:18 AM



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Re: It’s basketball - anyone can beat anyone -much more


Mar 7, 2023, 9:25 AM [ in reply to It’s basketball - anyone can beat anyone -much more ]

The system before likes us even less. It’s still considered by the committee.

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Re: the real question is how did Louisville fall so far?


Mar 7, 2023, 9:20 AM [ in reply to the real question is how did Louisville fall so far? ]

If you look at their recruiting they have higher rated players on their team than ours. It's wild that they were so bad. Athletically, they are just as gifted as our tigers.

The loss to Louisville was very simple to me. They played and shot better than they have all season and we shot extremely poorly. Their shots fell and our open shots did not. They went 26-28 from the ft line!

If we shot the same shooting percentage from 3 in our first game, we would have also lost to Louisville, but at home!

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Re: the real question is how did Louisville fall so far?

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Mar 7, 2023, 9:27 AM

A new head coach struggling with a class of highly rated recruits? Where have I seen that before? They must all be busts because the coach plays no role.

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Re: the real question is how did Louisville fall so far?


Mar 7, 2023, 9:45 AM [ in reply to the real question is how did Louisville fall so far? ]

I agree. UL shot the 3 ridiculously well in thst game. They looked like a very good team in that game. Hard to beat a team that is having a hot shooting night.

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Re: the real question is how did Louisville fall so far?

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Mar 7, 2023, 11:39 AM

Question:

Why does it always happen against Clemson?

UNC sucked before we played them. They hit their season high for 3's against us.

and then they sucked after we played them.

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Re: If one bad loss in December

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Mar 7, 2023, 8:09 AM

Probably also considering a bad loss in November and a bad loss in February. With 3 bad losses, you start having the discussion were seeing.

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Lucky Johnson


Re: If one bad loss in December

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Mar 7, 2023, 8:11 AM

Yes four quad 3 and 4 losses will kill any season that lacks an elite win. We can definitely still squeak in though

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Relax Cobb. All we have to do is win on Thursday.

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Mar 7, 2023, 8:13 AM

If we don't, then it's over.

Its just that simple.

If we do win, we're in. I think. Then we get to see you act like an idiot, calling everyone losers and lunatics.

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Re: Relax Cobb. All we have to do is win on Thursday.

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Mar 7, 2023, 8:28 AM

Very rich post.

You say he acts like an idiot when he calls people names.

So are you acting like an idiot when you call him names?

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Good morning, Ms. Keller. Do I run around


Mar 7, 2023, 8:31 AM

here everyday calling everyone idiots? Don't think so. Therein was the point, with just a little reasoning.

Are you ever right? About anything?

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Re: Good morning, Ms. Keller. Do I run around


Mar 7, 2023, 8:36 AM

Lol! Now you go into the conspiracy theory that I would have burner accounts on an anonymous website. Wow, you just keep embarrassing yourself. It's right on brand with you though. You are very good at being wrong!

I'm glad you explained as it all makes sense now. He is an idiot when he calls people names because he does it more than you?

If you don't do it as often, then you are not an idiot. Great rationale! I can tell you are going far in life!

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You remember your Yahoo Falls


Mar 7, 2023, 9:00 AM

"burner account"? It got burned. Not sure how it would be considered a "conspriracy" to see you're also Ms. Keller?

What does 'right on brand' mean Ms. K? I'm not the least bit embarrassed about calling s spade a spade, like Cobb.

Let me ask you - is someone acting like an 'idiot' if they call the vast majority of this site "losers" and "lunatics"? What would you call it?

Spot on rationale.

Again, sometimes a spade is a spade. Like you being a troll, Ms. K.

Carry on.

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Re: You remember your Yahoo Falls


Mar 7, 2023, 9:41 AM

Too much dumb to respond to. wow.

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I'm right and you're wrong.


Mar 7, 2023, 9:45 AM

Just because you can't reply doesn't make it dumb.

So much namecalling Ms. K. Why are you such an angry lady?

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Re: If one bad loss in December

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Mar 7, 2023, 8:27 AM

Yep. If you have watched Clemson basketball say for the last 20 years, you would know that this team is as talented as any tourney team we have had.

The losers that keep bringing up bad losses simply want brownell gone. They are mental midgets that blame every loss on brownell, but give him 0 credit for the wins. I bet they didn't even watch the Loyola or Louisville game.

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Re: If one bad loss in December

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Mar 7, 2023, 8:59 AM

Lol. If you’ve watched for 20 years? Brownell has been the coach 60% of the time and it covers only two coaches. We’ve finished ranked 3 times in the last 20 years. Twice under Purnell, so double the rate as Brownell. We aren’t even receiving a single vote in the AP poll. So no, there is no reason for anyone to think this is “as talented as any tourney team we have had.” That is a complete falsehood. You’re failing to distinguish just how bad the schedule this team played and put it any context with the preceding 19 seasons. But why would you do that when an honest assessment isn’t your goal. Only blind adoration for Mr. B.

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Re: If one bad loss in December

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Mar 7, 2023, 9:46 AM

Correct.

I believe that the last 20 years of Clemson basketball is the most relevant data to use when determining whether Clemson has a tourney level team compared to the competition in 2023.

Do you want to do 30 years? Would that hurt your feelings less? I don't find tiger basketball from 1980 to be very relevant when speaking of tournament quality teams in 2023. That's just me.

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Re: If one bad loss in December

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Mar 7, 2023, 10:58 AM

The point - which sailed right over your head - is that, even for such a limited period this isn’t close to the most talented team and the period chosen reflects mostly on the coach you’re trying to defend. It was a meaningless point you made and I’ve illustrated it for you. But, again, sincere debate is not your intention. You simply want to suckle at Brownell’s breast a little longer.

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Everyone is a loser, huh Ms. K?


Mar 7, 2023, 9:03 AM [ in reply to Re: If one bad loss in December ]

What about all these 'losers'?

NET OUT,
Kenpom OUT,
ESPN OUT,
Yahoo Sports OUT,
Joe Lunardi OUT,
Jerry Palm OUT,
FOX Sports OUT, collegefootballnews.com OUT,
teamrankings.com OUT,
Bart Torvik OUT

Maybe you're confused about the whole loser thing?

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Mental midgets and losers.


Mar 7, 2023, 9:50 AM [ in reply to Re: If one bad loss in December ]

You and Corn Cobb been sharing notes? Be sure to include all these mental midgets and losses.

NET OUT,
Kenpom OUT,
ESPN OUT,
Yahoo Sports OUT,
Joe Lunardi OUT,
Jerry Palm OUT,
FOX Sports OUT, collegefootballnews OUT,
teamrankings.com OUT,
Bart Torvik OUT

Maybe the mental midgets and losers are actually the ones calling 99.9% of Tigernet and all these prognosticators mental midgets and losers?

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Re: If one bad loss in December

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Mar 7, 2023, 10:03 AM [ in reply to Re: If one bad loss in December ]

We've made the NCAA tournament 6 times over those 20 years, yet with the most or as talented roster of all those Brad can only muster up an outside the bubble looking in spot here at season's end? 13 years into his gig?

Not exactly a ringing endorsement there, sport.

Hate on, troll.

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Re: If one bad loss in December

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Mar 7, 2023, 8:36 AM

Yes, totally agree with the bad losses. Also, it's not Clemson's fault the acc is 7th or 8th rated conference, but look at our schedule compared to Arizona St or Wisconsin. We've only played 12 games that are q1 or q2 (7-5). They have played over 20 q1 q2 teams. Our only real "good " win is Duke at home... so it's not like we knocked off a top 10 team.

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Re: If one bad loss in December

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Mar 7, 2023, 9:04 AM

Actually, our four quad 3/4 losses have gone a long way towards the ACC’s low ranking. We have the worst OOC losses besides Louisville, who we in turn lost to, but then we were very successful in our ACC schedule. We’re actually a giant anchor on the conference.

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


I told everyone in December...

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Mar 7, 2023, 8:37 AM

That loss to South Carolina would drag us underwater like a mill stone around our necks come tournament selection day.
I still hope I am wrong.
Go Tigers!!!

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"If a pig had a better personality, he would cease to be a filthy animal."


Maybe you're right


Mar 7, 2023, 8:47 AM

NET OUT,
Kenpom OUT,
ESPN OUT,
Yahoo Sports OUT,
Joe Lunardi OUT,
Jerry Palm OUT,
FOX Sports OUT, collegefootballnews.com OUT,
teamrankings.com OUT,
Bart Torvik OUT,
NCAA.COM MAYBE, bleachereport.com IN.. YES!!

There's a chance, but not if we don't win Thursday. Lose and we're out.

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its crazy to be 3rd in the ACC and not be at least a 5 seed.

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Mar 7, 2023, 8:52 AM

like what happened. If our name was UNC or DUKE we'd obviously be in even with those losses. Its Clemson in 3rd therefore its a down year in the ACC.

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I agree with you.


Mar 7, 2023, 9:05 AM

But then again, isn't the NET a calculation based on the actual wins and losses?

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Re: If one bad loss in December

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Mar 7, 2023, 8:51 AM

You misspelled “4 bad losses throughout the season” but go on.

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


And to call 3 of the 4 bad

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Mar 7, 2023, 9:01 AM

Is a drastic understatement.

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Re: If one bad loss in December


Mar 7, 2023, 9:46 AM

lol you really are clueless

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It's not like the losses since then are irrelevant.

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Mar 7, 2023, 9:47 AM

The Louisville loss was a disaster. Without that our chances are very different.

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One bad loss? Wow


Mar 7, 2023, 10:29 AM

4 bad losses.
Some nice wins - but you cannot simply ignore losses.
Loss to # 284 - 4 win team Louisville
Loss to #257 LC
Loss to #216 sc
Loss to #173 BC

Best win is over #31 Duke

Not sure why you consider that 1 bad loss.

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