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September 4th...UGA has it circled in red. Huuuge game
Jun 3, 2021, 9:45 AM
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for Kirby. This will be a do or die game for him and his future at UGA. We’ve already seen how they’re scrambling for transfers and will do whatever is necessary to beat Clemson.
But it’s also the biggest game for Clemson. This will set the tone for the rest of the season, thanks to how bad and weak the rest of the ACC is. The Tigers have to be ready and it will be a physical game. I feel like it will be similar to how Ohio St. has gone after us.
Dawgs will try to punch us in the mouth first.
Yeah, we all pretty much know this, but since all other Clemson sports are done for the year, and baseball went to crap, I’m looking forward to September.
Go Tigers!!
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Well said
Jun 3, 2021, 9:52 AM
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I agree with your post. Pretty much spot on.
Well said.
Respect.
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I hope they try to punch someone in the mouth.
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Jun 3, 2021, 9:54 AM
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That’s a 15-yard penalty and probable ejection for their player. We just have to keep our cool, and I think we will.
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Re: I hope they try to punch someone in the mouth.
Jun 3, 2021, 12:47 PM
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Speaking of ejections, Skalski can’t play the first half can he?
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Re: I hope they try to punch someone in the mouth.
Jun 3, 2021, 1:05 PM
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He was ejected during the 1st half against Ohio State wasn't he? If the ejection occurred during the 1st half then he's available to play the entire game against Georgia. If the ejection came during the 2nd half then he would miss the 1st half of the Georgia game.
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Re: I hope they try to punch someone in the mouth.
Jun 3, 2021, 6:33 PM
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He was ejected during the 1st half against Ohio State wasn't he? If the ejection occurred during the 1st half then he's available to play the entire game against Georgia. If the ejection came during the 2nd half then he would miss the 1st half of the Georgia game.
Yes you are correct. His penalty was in the 1st half.
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The good and the bad about this game is if
Jun 3, 2021, 10:08 AM
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Clemson loses Clemson will need to win out the rest of the games and the ACC championship to guarantee a spot in the playoffs. If Clemson wins Clemson will need to win out the rest of the games and the ACC championship to guarantee a spot in the playoffs.
Georgia will just need to get by Florida and USuC....
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Not so sure about that...
Jun 3, 2021, 10:30 AM
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It would depend on other conferences.
Possible Clemson could lose and still make playoffs if they win out and win the ACC? Yes, it is possible. I would say even probable.
But, not a lock.
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It's a lock
Jun 3, 2021, 10:58 AM
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Everyone will forget the loss at the beginning of the season. An SEC school and Notre Dame can have two losses and still make the playoffs... no other conference has that advantage
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Re: It's a lock
Jun 3, 2021, 11:42 AM
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An SEC school and Notre Dame can have two losses and still make the playoffs... no other conference has that advantage
Refresh my memory - when has that ever happened?
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Re: It's a lock
Jun 3, 2021, 12:08 PM
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An SEC school and Notre Dame can have two losses and still make the playoffs... no other conference has that advantage
I never said it has happened I am stating that it can happen
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Re: It's a lock
Jun 3, 2021, 12:35 PM
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Well yeah, it can happen in the sense that "anything" can happen. But it's highly unlikely. Every single 2-loss Notre Dame and SEC team in the playoff era - including Alabama - has not made the CFP. So a lot of things would have to happen. Basically the season would have to end with 3 or fewer undefeated or 1-loss teams. That's certainly possible, but not very likely. And if it did happen, then all the 2-loss teams would be in the running for that CFP spot regardless of conference. It'd pretty much come down to who they beat and/or lost to.
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Re: The good and the bad about this game is if
Jun 3, 2021, 12:03 PM
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If Clemson wins they will need to win out to make playoff? Huh? Clemson made the playoff with upset losses to Pitt and Syracuse later in the season two of the past 6 years.
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Not a guarantee, sadly.
Jun 4, 2021, 11:20 AM
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Clemson loses Clemson will need to win out the rest of the games and the ACC championship to guarantee a spot in the playoffs. If Clemson wins Clemson will need to win out the rest of the games and the ACC championship to guarantee a spot in the playoffs.
Georgia will just need to get by Florida and USuC....
First, if we lose to UGA I'm afraid we also have to make sure another P5 champion & Notre Dame lose a game or two to guarantee we get into the top 4 & earn a playoff bid even winning the remaining 12 games; I'm sincerely hoping UNC is better than 8-4 this season in spite of losing a bit of legitimate talent.
Georgia will need to not just get by Florida and USCe, but the SEC West champion (i.e., UGA likely isn't getting in the playoff without making it into the SEC title game). Frankly I wish we had Florida on the schedule---that would be a blast!
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Re: September 4th...UGA has it circled in red. Huuuge game
Jun 3, 2021, 10:12 AM
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Clemson being "do or die" for Kirby seems a bit...dramatic.
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Re: September 4th...UGA has it circled in red. Huuuge game
Jun 3, 2021, 10:23 AM
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Like it or not, this is a big game for him. His record in prime time, big games has not been that great. At some point, he’s got to win these types of games or his seat will start getting pretty warm.
Like I said, it sets the tone for both teams’ seasons.
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Re: September 4th...UGA has it circled in red. Huuuge game
Jun 3, 2021, 10:33 AM
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I'm not disputing it's a big game. I'm pushing back on the idea that the outcome of this game somehow dictates Kirby Smart's future. I don't know what you specifically mean by "prime-time big games" but Kirby is 8-6 since 2017 against top 10 teams. Agree that's not "that great" but it hardly means Kirby can't win them. It isn't Clemson that Kirby needs to be concerned with. It's finding a way to beat Saban in Atlanta.
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Re: September 4th...UGA has it circled in red. Huuuge game
Jun 3, 2021, 1:03 PM
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Well, he has yet to beat Bama, lost to Florida last year, whom he should’ve beat, and he should’ve easily beat Texas a couple of years ago. And for some reason, he loses to the Coots every couple of years. UGA has talent, everyone knows they have talent, he should win the big games. It’s on Kirby to develop, out coach, and out play the other team.
It would suit me perfectly fine for him to be worried about beating Bama/Saban and not concerned with Clemson. But if he has a brain cell in his head, he’s focused on beating Clemson first.
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Re: September 4th...UGA has it circled in red. Huuuge game
Jun 3, 2021, 1:11 PM
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At this point I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Yes, Kirby has been unable to beat Saban. That's the thorn in his side. He has coached against SC 5 times and lost once. Not sure how you conclude from that he loses to them "every couple of years." I also wouldn't agree UGA should have beaten Florida last year. UF was pretty much everyone's pick for the East with the offense they had returning.
I'm quite sure Kirby and company are fully focused on the Clemson game. My point - back to the original post - is that losing to Clemson wouldn't send Kirby's coaching career into some kind of tailspin. If the Dawgs lose to Clemson, but win out and beat Bama in Atlanta, no one will remember the Clemson game.
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If Kirby loses to Clemson and then does not make it to
Jun 3, 2021, 11:01 AM
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the SEC championship he will have a tough time making it to next season. He can lose to Clemson but he has to make it to the SEC championship game this year....
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Re: If Kirby loses to Clemson and then does not make it to
Jun 3, 2021, 11:08 AM
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Win or lose to Clemson, Kirby gets the same heat if he doesn't make it to Atlanta.
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Re: If Kirby loses to Clemson and then does not make it to
Jun 3, 2021, 1:54 PM
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You will have to admit that he gets MUCH more heat if he loses to Clemson AND does not make it to Atlanta, as opposed to beating Clemson and not making it to Atlanta.
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Re: If Kirby loses to Clemson and then does not make it to
Jun 3, 2021, 2:13 PM
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If Kirby loses to Clemson and fails to get to Atlanta, he has far bigger problems than the Clemson loss. People can live with losing to a likely #2 Clemson, provided the Dawgs don't get blown out. Not making it to Atlanta would mean Kirby loss to one or two conference teams he shouldn't have.
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Re: If Kirby loses to Clemson and then does not make it to
Jun 3, 2021, 4:02 PM
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Yes, but if he beats Clemson (which is not happening by the way) and then goes ahead and loses to a conference team, there will be less heat. The defeat will go down as - anyone can have one bad game. All this "heat" stuff is all hypothetical anyway.
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I’m sure they used their nicest red crayon
Jun 3, 2021, 12:03 PM
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To do it
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Re: September 4th...UGA has it circled in red. Huuuge game
Jun 3, 2021, 12:05 PM
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One thing for sure Kirby can't lose to Muschamp this year.
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At this point, a 1 loss Clemson would get in
Jun 3, 2021, 1:59 PM
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On reputation alone....
Plus, who would replace CU?
Big12 or PAC champ? Don’t think so
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Re: At this point, a 1 loss Clemson would get in
Jun 4, 2021, 11:24 AM
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I think they would, or at least I'm AFRAID they would.
I don't expect an undefeated PAC12 champion, but IF it happens they're definitely in above us, especially if it's Oregon (which seems the most likely).
A BIG12 champ seems more likely as well, particularly since they added the BIG12 title game; it's been determinant for so many things since its inception, from Heismans to CFP bids.
I also believe Pitt will be a surprise & may be a top-20 team by the time we get up there.
I think as long as other conference leaders & Notre Dame LOSE a couple of games, it's hard to deny our chances to get in go up, know what I mean?
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Re: September 4th...UGA has it circled in red. Huuuge game
Jun 3, 2021, 2:20 PM
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Again, I'm not crazy about our O-line and I think that's our biggest deficiency coming into this game. I think we'll struggle to match up against the Dawgs up front on offense and it will limit us at times. I think we'll have 3-and-outs, too many sacks, and I think we'll struggle to run the ball. Sorry, I didn't like how we looked up front last year and I just don't think we'll be all that different to start the season this year either. Week 1 tends to be about what you bring into the year, not what you're hoping develops. Don't see a ton of obvious solutions. Maybe as the year goes along...maybe.
I also think UGA is going to struggle - mightily - to control the big plays and Clemson's passing game. I particularly think they'll struggle against Justyn Ross; if I had a fantasy college team I'd start him and circle him to snag 2-3 TD's against the Dawgs, minimum, because I don't think they can remotely control him if he's healthy; the guy is a cheat code out of the slot, especially against a rebuilt UGA secondary.
UGA doesn't match up against Clemson's D either. Their biggest problem is they're not going to be able to throw because JT Daniels isn't mobile, so Venables is going to bring the heat, load the box, and dare him to beat us deep, and if he can't, he's going to die. Minus their lone deep threat of a year ago, George Pickens, that isn't going to be easy, and running into the teeth of a stacked box, they aren't going to be able to run, either, IMHO.
What gets Venables' defenses into trouble are multi-dimensional run-pass threats with bail-out options who can beat pressure - see LSU and Joe Burrow a couple years ago, see OSU last year - and that isn't UGA. You've gotta have more weapons than Venables can put the squeeze on; if he can squeeze you, you're dead. I just don't see UGA's offense presenting Venables' D much in the way of problems; it's simplistic, one-dimensional, and doesn't have the kind of run-pass threat you need to keep Venables remotely honest, which means it's going to die ugly.
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Re: September 4th...UGA has it circled in red. Huuuge game
Jun 3, 2021, 5:49 PM
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I just hope Ross can play
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Re: September 4th...UGA has it circled in red. Huuuge game
Jun 3, 2021, 6:56 PM
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I do worry about the offensive line and how they can protect DJ long enough to get off throws. Yeah, he played pretty well versus ND, but he’s still young and will be nervous until he get settled in.
You’re right about the defense. Venables has been simmering over that Ohio St game for months. It’s burned into his brain and he wants to redeem himself and his D.
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45-24 Clemson -
Jun 3, 2021, 6:33 PM
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Dawgs try 3 trick plays - all fail.
Blocked punt and 3 turnovers for the hounds.
Go on to lose to UF. UAB is 7 point game.
Kirby is laughing stock on Social Media for getting in Yelling Match with Muschamp vs. TN.
all too predictable.
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Re: 45-24 Clemson -
Jun 3, 2021, 6:37 PM
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I'll take your 21. Care to make a friendly wager?
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Re: 45-24 Clemson -
Jun 3, 2021, 6:41 PM
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I don't think we get nearly to 45.
I also don't think the Dawgs get nearly to 24.
I'd call it more like Clemson 24, UGA 10 or so. I don't think UGA scores much but I think we get three TD's mostly off big plays.
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Re: 45-24 Clemson -
Jun 3, 2021, 7:04 PM
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Care to make a friendly wager the Dawgs score more than your 10?
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does that hook in your mouth hurt***
Jun 3, 2021, 9:35 PM
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Re: 45-24 Clemson -
Jun 4, 2021, 8:17 AM
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Maybe. I just saw you got that transfer TE out of LSU, he might be able to do something down the seam. You guys have got to have something to break pressure and win those 1-on-1's or Venables will bury your QB and your O along with it...trust me, we've seen this at Clemson about a gazillion times. If Venables has something to get ahold of he puts you in the car compactor and just relentlessly crushes you. You might get a spotty big play here and there but he's fine with that, he will stuff the run, and he will do his best to put your QB in traction, and you're going to see the Baskin-Robbins array of blitzes in 34 flavors...usually by halftime, your QB isn't going to want any more.
Teams I've seen give Venables trouble in the past are the ones with QB's that can extend plays with their feet, scramble for first downs when the play breaks down, and oh yeah, win 1-on-1's on the perimeter, because he will leave his guys on islands while he's trying to murder your QB.
Is that UGA?
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Re: 45-24 Clemson -
Jun 4, 2021, 11:44 AM
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Is that UGA?
Maybe so, maybe not. Either way I'm saying we score more than 10.
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Re: 45-24 Clemson -
Jun 4, 2021, 12:16 PM
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Maybe. The Auburn game from a couple years back is about what I'd expect. This is what happens when even a good offense can't break Venables' pressure. Again, we see this a lot.
Auburn dominated Clemson up front on the OL as well. Keep in mind Auburn's DL was absolutely loaded as well.
Again, I think Clemson struggles to establish the run, but I do think Clemson scores a little more than they did against Auburn. Clemson was starting Kelly Bryant at QB, who was not a particularly proficient passer. DJU is. He's got a better arm even than Trevor Lawrence, honestly, in terms of pure arm, he's up there with a Jeff George or a John Elway though he's not quite the athlete Trevor was. His first-ever start in college football, against BC? He threw for 342 yards and 2 TD's, added another 25-yard scamper with his feet. His second, on the road against Notre Dame, he threw for 439 and another 2 TD's, and rushed for yet another. And that was without a receiver on the field nearly as dangerous as a Justyn Ross, who is on a planet of talent completely unto himself. The Dawgs will not like Ross. He's a Top-5-in-the-draft-type guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmlTWz4dyxg
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Re: 45-24 Clemson -
Jun 4, 2021, 1:17 PM
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So you are using as your example your home game vs Auburn when they were missing Kerryon Johnson (far and away the best RB they've had in the last 7-8 years)? Keep in mind that with KJ in the lineup, they beat Alabama by double-digits - the same Alabama team who thrashed you in the CFP - as well as us in Jordan-Hare. He was that much of a difference maker. With a limited Kerryon, we demolished them in the SEC-C rematch. Yeah, go ahead and base your expectation on that game.
Regardless of what you use as examples or what anyone expects, I continue to say we score more than 10.
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Re: 45-24 Clemson -
Jun 4, 2021, 1:38 PM
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Some big things that standout from that Auburn/Clemson game that were very important:
1. AU's best player that year, RB Kerryon Johnson, didn't play in that game, and without him the AU offense was lost not only against Clemson, but against anyone that year. UGA has five RBs that are all able to carry the load, so it's unlikely that a missing RB will be as big of an issue.
2. Due to the lack of Auburn's running game, Clemson was able to take advantage of AU's Charmin soft OL to the tune of 11 sacks. That's unlikely to happen against UGA.
3. Kelly Bryant was Clemson's most effective rusher by far that day with 19 carries for 59 yards. DJU can certainly be a good short yardage option with his legs, but he lacks the athletic ability of a Kelly Bryant or even a T-Law. If Clemson is relying on DJU to be it's primary guy on the ground, then something has gone terribly wrong.
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Re: 45-24 Clemson -
Jun 4, 2021, 2:59 PM
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Stiddham's also a lot more mobile than JT Daniels is. He still died.
Kelly Bryant also wasn't a good thrower, and frankly, he really didn't have a ton of great targets on the perimeter. His best guys out there were Ray-Ray McCloud and Deon Cain, both sixth-round picks, if memory serves...Clemson really wasn't in a peak year by WRU or QBU standards; we look a lot more like what we're used to, this year. He assuredly did not have a Justyn Ross, and he was not even remotely a DJU when it came to an arm.
What they're going to do is stuff UGA's run and force Daniels to beat Clemson 1-on-1 on the perimeter. That TE transfer, Gilbert may help some with that; I watched his film and the dude's a legit target. The other receivers UGA has won't scare Clemson any, though. George Pickens would have been the mismatch and he's hurt. Getting James Cook matched up on an LB is undoubtedly going to be a big focus but Clemson's definitely going to be scheming for that.
One thing I definitely noticed about Daniels, he starts getting hit, and you can rock him. He can be gotten to, and Venables is going to do his absolute best to stave his ribs in. Daniels took ten sacks in 119 attemps, and he does tend to hold the ball too long. We'll see if UGA's got more in the receiver department than it appears...if they don't, Daniels could have a long night.
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Re: 45-24 Clemson -
Jun 4, 2021, 3:55 PM
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"We'll see if UGA's got more in the receiver department than it appears."
There is a ton of talent there, but don't undersell time in the system too. It's always a challenge to implement a new offensive system with a new OC, but it becomes #### near insurmountable when you add the cancellation of spring and summer practice due to COVID and when you don't have a settled starting QB until the last few games of the season. By merely having the spring and summer with a leader at the QB spot, UGA's offense already has a leg up on last season.
As to the talent available to catch the ball, I don't fault those outside of UGA fans doubting what's left in the cupboard. No one outside of Pickens and now Gilbert are household names.
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"UGA's offense already has a leg up on last season"...
Jun 4, 2021, 4:17 PM
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quite apropos
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Re: 45-24 Clemson -
Jun 4, 2021, 3:01 PM
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You bring up a good point about DJU running the ball. How much will Dabo be willing to put your QB in harms way given your backup situation at QB? This is important considering how much your offense relies on the QB running the ball - in 7 of the last 10 seasons, your QB was either the 1st or 2nd leading rusher on the team, and an 8th (2019) Trevor was a close 3rd. Trevor was your 2nd leading rusher last year.
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Re: 45-24 Clemson -
Jun 4, 2021, 3:47 PM
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As much as he's gotta, and no more.
DJU's not really a willing or eager runner like Trevor or Deshaun or especially Kelly Bryant were; those guys seemingly enjoyed pulling it down and taking off with it...DJU can, but he's seemingly a little more...reticent, than those guys were, and not quite as effective, despite the fact that he's 245+ and can seriously hustle when he gets going for as big as he is. My guess is, fewer than a half-dozen times, and only then when it's critically necessary. He's mostly just a fireballer with his arm.
But the dude is, like I said, 245+, and can tank you or even house it when he takes it into his mind to, and the read-option is and always will be a part of Clemson's O. Though because of Clemson's backup situation and his own natural inclination I don't think it'll be a huge part of the gameplan against UGA.
You can see him do the read-option at 1:23 against BC, for instance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTre44MAdkE
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Re: 45-24 Clemson -
Jun 4, 2021, 4:06 PM
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Two observations and a question:
Observation #1: DJU has a cannon, and is also accurate. He's the real deal. I would also say he's better than JT Daniels due to his arm talent.
Observation #2: Every guy catching the ball in the linked highlight will be playing in the NFL next year. Would have been nice to see anyone that will actually play for Clemson getting a highlight. Etienne was fantastic in that clip.
Question: Who from that BC defense would start for UGA's defense?
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Re: 45-24 Clemson -
Jun 4, 2021, 4:32 PM
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Pretty much their entire secondary. Deon Jones, Brandon Sebastian, Michael Palmer are all on everybody's draft boards. They had a really good linebacker who got drafted in the sixth round who would have started on UGA despite the fact that UGA has some really good LB's, and yeah, I know the Dawgs sent a bunch of 'em to the NFL this past year too. BC is just loaded right now; they've got a pile of prospects on the NFL draft boards for 2022.
BC's always rugged in the trenches, too. Not like UGA, but BC is always Very Nasty, up front, on both sides of the ball.
As far as the receivers going away to the NFL, I wouldn't...sweat that. Cornell Powell stuck it out, waited his turn behind the likes of Tee Higgins...but he was playing the 9-man spot and there's a power-line of huge former 5/4-stars behind him, pick one. (Joseph Ngata? Ajou Ajou?) Glad Powell got his NFL dollars while the getting was good. Amari Rogers (#3) was playing the slot; he's the one getting replaced by Justyn Ross. Rogers was real good, no doubt. He went with Pick #85 in the 3rd round.
He is being replaced this year by Justyn Ross, who like I said, will likely be a Top-5 pick.
Losing Etienne, well, no getting around that one, there's just no replacing that cat, period. He's one of a kind. Maybe ever. We can replace Etienne the RB, but replacing his instant mojo and juice, his ability to turn the game in one play. Well, no.
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Re: 45-24 Clemson -
Jun 4, 2021, 4:43 PM
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If you are saying Isaiah McDuffie would start on this UGA LB corps, then you are just begging to lose credinbility. Nakobe Dean and Quay Walker will both be drafted well before Isaiah was. And Channing Tindall and Rian Davis would likely beat him out on the 2-deep as well. And that's not even mentioning any of our red-shirts and blue-chips. Go ahead and bank on me being wrong.
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Re: 45-24 Clemson -
Jun 4, 2021, 4:47 PM
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The dude could play. He was NFL. They've got some other NFL prospects at LB this year, and another pile in the secondary.
The point was, that was assuredly not the Citadel and certainly not the School of the Deaf & Blind DJU was lighting up, and that was his first start.
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Re: 45-24 Clemson -
Jun 4, 2021, 4:58 PM
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Oh yeah, they were so rugged in the trenches they ~almost~ finished in the top 70 in Rushing Defense. And they were so nasty they ~almost~ finished in the top 70 in Passing Defense. Or Total Defense. Almost.
Please.
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Re: 45-24 Clemson -
Jun 4, 2021, 6:14 PM
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The dude could play. He was NFL. They've got some other NFL prospects at LB this year, and another pile in the secondary.
The point was, that was assuredly not the Citadel and certainly not the School of the Deaf & Blind DJU was lighting up, and that was his first start.
And the Dawg D is most assuredly not the Boston College defense.
If you thought Isaiah McDuffie from BC was a player, you're going to love watching UGA's ILB #17 Nakobe Dean.
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Re: 45-24 Clemson -
Jun 4, 2021, 5:58 PM
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I'd like to point something out about the WRs for Clemson and UGA. In the last post you stated "there's a power-line of huge former 5/4-stars behind him, pick one. (Joseph Ngata? Ajou Ajou?)". The underlying assumption being that due to their high ranking coming in they will be able to replace Powell without missing a beat, yet UGA has similarly highly ranked prospects that you easily dismiss. Let's take a look. (All rankings 24/7 Composite)
Clemson returning WR:
J. Ross - 4 Star - #45 in the nation
E.J. Williams - 4 star - #69 in the nation
F. Ladson Jr - 4 star - #39 in the nation
J. Ngata - 4 star - #52 in the nation
D. Collins - 4 star - #179 in the nation
A. Ajou - 3 star - #401 in the nation
B. Spector - 3 star - #522 in the nation
Clemson returning TE:
B. Galloway - 3 star - #858 in the nation
D. Allen - 3 star - #807 in the nation
J. Briningstool - 4 star - #60 in the nation
UGA returning WR:
A. Gilbert - 5 star - #5 in the nation
J. Burton - 4 star - #82 in the nation
M. Rosemy-Jacksaint - 4 star - #55 in the nation
A. Smith - 4 star - #58 in the nation
K. Jackson - 4 star - #130 in the nation
D. Blaylock - 4 star - #36 in the nation
D. Robertson - 5 star - #13 in the nation
UGA returning TE:
D. Washington - 5 star - #23 in the nation
J. FitzPatrick - 4 star - #316 in the nation
B. Bowers - 4 star - #104 in the nation
At the end of the day, it looks pretty even between the two teams when it comes to recruiting rankings. I would say neither group should be summarily dismissed.
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Re: 45-24 Clemson -
Jun 4, 2021, 7:48 PM
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Again, how do I put this...it really isn't their "recruiting ranking" or even their "talent level" so much as their current performance level. In Week 1, as I said, it's about what you bring in, not what you hope to grow.
Clemson's got a bunch of established guys. At the 9-man spot, Powell was actually behind Joseph Ngata, who is probably going to be the Week 1 starter against UGA...who indeed had a very high recruiting ranking, either 5 stars or 4 stars, depending on what recruiting service you were looking at. Ngata just got hurt and only ended up catching 7 balls for all of 83 yards in 2020...though in 2019, he caught 17 for 283 and 3 TD's and was well on his way...before he got hurt again. Ngata's a George Pickens type, huge, really physical.
I also think if it was Week 6, you'd likely be facing Ajou Ajou, who I think is probably the most freakishly talented receiver on Clemson's roster aside from Justyn Ross. (Maybe more so, actually.) The dude has flashed plenty. But he was a camp kid, didn't play much high school ball, and didn't have many offers. And again, in a high-pressure, massive Week 1, you don't look for those kind of players to just come in and take over under the bright lights, the moment's usually a little too big. But as far as upside goes...Ajou Ajou...man. The kid's a mutant. If he has a Moment, and busts loose for a big one against UGA, don't be overly shocked, either. He exists, I'll put it that way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjpqOspqPAk
On the other side, it's going to be a combo of EJ Williams and Frank Ladsen, who have caught a fair number of balls between them, like, 50+, so they are not newbs, though I wouldn't look for them to be dominators yet either. (EJ Williams replaced Ladsen as the starter last year when Ladsen got hurt.) Both are really explosive though Ladsen has been a little droppy.
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Re: 45-24 Clemson -
Jun 4, 2021, 8:53 PM
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Nice back-pedal on the rankings. I'll remind you the only reason they came up was your assertion about all the 4 and 5 stars Clemson had waiting in the wings.
As to the current performance level, we know that Gilbert is a freak of nature and Burton and Jackson have had 60+ catches between them, so they aren't "newbs" as you put it.
Then guys like AD Mitchell have the same "flash" story that you've told about Ajou and Smith just ran a 10.10 100m to qualify for the SEC T&F Championships.
https://twitter.com/UGATrack/status/1398423430240915467?s=19
The point is both teams have dudes at WR, and while Clemson's group may have an edge if Ross is 100%, UGA isn't hurting for options.
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Re: 45-24 Clemson -
Jun 5, 2021, 12:19 AM
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OK, very good. Y'all have some good young receivers, we have some good young receivers.
I still say we score more than 10. Here we are 6 or 7 posts later and you're still dodging that.
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Re: 45-24 Clemson -
Jun 4, 2021, 4:35 PM
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Who from that BC defense would start for UGA's defense?
Better question: Who from that BC defense would make the 2-deep on UGA's defense?
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Re: 45-24 Clemson -
Jun 4, 2021, 12:52 PM
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Venables certainly is an aggressive DC. His defenses are always at or near the top of the nation in havoc numbers (e.g. sacks and tfl's). On top of his scheme, he's also got a more experienced group of DL to work with this year considering two of the best, Bresee and Murphy, are now sophomores.
What UGA has to counter Venables is an offense that is capable taking what the defense gives them no matter what that happens to be. Contrary to popular group-think, UGA actually has a modern OC that works to create and expose advantageous matchups rather than the old three yards and a cloud of dust mentality. This will be year two of the new OC system and the first with a full offseason of implementation and the first with a settled QB1. Those expecting the same old-man-football approach to offense for which UGA is currently infamous will be either pleasantly surprised or caught off-guard by the differences.
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Re: 45-24 Clemson -
Jun 3, 2021, 6:59 PM
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Here's predicatable. Two weeks before the season Dabo trots out the "Why, we're just little ol Clemson. Ain't nobody thinks we're any good. We'll just keep out seat on the ROY bus" schtick. Right on schedule the national media, who voted his team in the top 2, collectively roll their eyes. Doesn't matter, it fires up the Clemson fan base, which is Dabo's intent. The fired up Clemson fan base doesn't help as the Dawgs win 31 - 24.
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Re: 45-24 Clemson -
Jun 3, 2021, 11:05 PM
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Did you read the ROY Bus fired up our base? Eye roll. Only the team inside the lines being fired up matters on game day.
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Re: 45-24 Clemson -
Jun 4, 2021, 3:32 PM
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I agree. Dabo should turn the page on that BS and look more to the motivational stylings of say Kirby Smart; Screaming f-bombs at his team after practice and other words of encouragement. Seems to work for UGA with all their success.
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Re: September 4th...UGA has it circled in red. Huuuge game
Jun 3, 2021, 9:45 PM
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Yes big game for both teams. Either team can win out after losing and make the playoffs but that aside I don’t want to hear it from my Clemson buddies if we lose, and I will hear it.
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I don't care if the Dawgies have the game circled in purple
Jun 4, 2021, 10:28 AM
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polka dots, it ain't going to help them any. A hungry Tiger chasing its lunch will make that little attack from Bevo look like a nip from a Chihuahua.  ">
https://youtu.be/TZWhUxP23b0
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Re: I don't care if the Dawgies have the game circled in purple
Jun 4, 2021, 11:52 AM
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Your "hungry tiger" is a kid running around in a costume. My money is on the Bulldog.
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Re: I don't care if the Dawgies have the game circled in purple
Jun 4, 2021, 3:36 PM
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That dog has his nose up his ### 23 out of 24 hours a day. Terrifying.
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And one of his ancestors once licked hisself on National TV
Jun 4, 2021, 10:51 PM
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where bulldogs are wont to lick themselves, thereby making the Georgia fans jealous. Scary stuff, alrighty.
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Re: September 4th...UGA has it circled in red. Huuuge game
Jun 4, 2021, 2:52 PM
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That's the only color crayon they have
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Pups do the circles
Jun 4, 2021, 7:06 PM
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It is only the biggest game because it is the next game. Nothing more to it than that.
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