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Deshaun Watson. From likely Ring of Honor to only dishonor.
Aug 2, 2022, 7:09 AM
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He will still have a good NFL career, but it will end there. He’ll be remembered for what ever went on with these questionable ladies and nothing else. Something went on there and he knows it. I imagine Dabo is more disappointed than we are.
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If DW4 leads the Browns to the Super Bowl,
Aug 2, 2022, 7:34 AM
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he will be remembered as the QB that led the Browns to the Super Bowl. Just like here he will be remembered as the QB that led us to a national title. This other matter won't go away, but it won't define his career, not by a long shot.
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Re: If DW4 leads the Browns to the Super Bowl,
Aug 2, 2022, 8:00 AM
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Agreed, time will pass and more truth will come out. Ben Rothlesburger is not remembered for his transgressions. Tom Brady isn't remembered for untasteful things he did. The list goes on and on.
Heck, Mike Tyson is back in favor with the public and he did time.
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And Tiger Woods, I might add.***
Aug 2, 2022, 9:07 AM
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Re: If DW4 leads the Browns to the Super Bowl,
Aug 2, 2022, 10:01 AM
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If you've got evidence that DW sexually assaulted women, then you should contact legal authorities.
If you're making assumptions and declaring Watson guilty based on those assumption then you are just a #######.
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Re: If DW4 leads the Browns to the Super Bowl,
Aug 2, 2022, 7:37 PM
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What is the minimum he did? A lot of women made a claim. That’s a lot of liars for not one to be charged with making a false report. Maybe he is totally innocent. All we have is a shred of hope that he is a victim of a mass lie.
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lol dream on
Aug 2, 2022, 7:58 AM
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peoples fleeting thoughts off twitter and instagram now rule the world. people are hated today, beloved later that day.
kobe bryant was accused of worse and similarly settled, dude is now immortalized. karl malone has a checkered past that goes unspoken of. ARod broke the code in sports and is legendary.
a championship and good acts go a long ways
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I think there’s some truth to all of this.
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Aug 2, 2022, 8:03 AM
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I believe Deshaun did some dumb things in recent years, but overall he’s still the good man we know him to be.
The holier than thou social media know-it-alls will move on and find other things to pontificate about, and Deshaun Watson will do great things (on and off the field) and rise above.
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Re: I think there’s some truth to all of this.
Aug 2, 2022, 8:17 AM
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There’s a few of the holier than thou on tigernet as well.
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Well - ARod halfway proves the OPs point. He's not in the
Aug 2, 2022, 8:32 AM
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Hall of Fame because of the things you mentioned.
DW will again be beloved one day - but I don't think he'll actually make the Ring of HONOR...because of this.
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He's not in the HOF because what he did enhanced
Aug 2, 2022, 9:02 AM
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performance. Not sure you can make that case with DW
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He'll never be in our ROH because of his.......
Aug 2, 2022, 9:32 AM
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off-the-field problems. A big part of ROH qualifications is how well you conduct yourself in the years after leaving Clemson. He doesn't qualify now.
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Re: He'll never be in our ROH because of his.......
Aug 2, 2022, 5:34 PM
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because he was accused of something? When did we become judge and jury of something he denies occurred and there is ZERO evidence that he is not telling the truth.
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I agree - I hope he's not guilty of.....
Aug 2, 2022, 7:51 PM
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these things. Am just saying if he is he won't make it into the ROH.
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Re: lol dream on
Aug 2, 2022, 9:57 AM
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The second Kobe died the first thing everyone talked about was his rape case and the mixed feelings. It’s as big a part of his legacy as his play on the court if not more so.
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Re: Deshaun Watson. From likely Ring of Honor to only dishonor.
Aug 2, 2022, 8:03 AM
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Everyone loves Kobe Bryant and few remember his legal troubles.
As long as he keeps winning, fans will focus on the game.
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Re: Deshaun Watson. From likely Ring of Honor to only dishonor.
Aug 2, 2022, 8:08 AM
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Deshaun is and will always be a Clemson Tiger. I hope he makes the ring and think this whole fiasco he has been tangled up in was a futile attempt to discredit him. It is sad to me that supposed Clemson fans would blindly assume the worst about one of their Clemson family. Two courts saw no basis in allegations against him yet he still gets hate from his on university family. The settlements obviously were an attempt to move past the Texans organization and their feeble attempts to force him to stay in Houston and still there is hate for him here. I just fail to understand the blind belief against him and for an attorney that has no standing to speak of.
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Re: Deshaun Watson. From likely Ring of Honor to only dishonor.
Aug 2, 2022, 1:19 PM
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I don't think any Clemson fans have blindly assumed the worst about him. I'm personally still a fan of Watson and I'm very thankful for what he did for Clemson. I'm also still pulling for him to do great things in the NFL and to be a great man.
I personally don't think he physically forced any of these women to do anything so I personally don't think all the allegations against him are true. I do think he was out there trying to pay for some happy endings. I also think it's very possible he wrongly assumed that some of those women were the types you could pay for a happy ending and that perhaps some of those women were strictly in the business of giving massages.
The stories of him pulling his towel down are probably the most consistent part of the stories from the women. I've heard that if you go into a massage parlor that's known for "happy endings" that the way to let them know what you're looking for is to get naked. I suppose that lets your feelings be known and shows you aren't a cop. With that being known it makes sense that Watson was exposing himself to these women in an attempt to communicate what he wanted to pay for. I could easily see him doing that to a few women who weren't down with that.
I could reasonably see one or a few of those women realizing they could sue a rich football player based on the incident and then the attorney found a bunch of other women who he had gotten massages from. I'm sure several of those women likely did accept money for the "happy ending" but obviously it's hard to prove that in the court of public opinion, especially when that is also illegal.
I'd imagine the courts determined they couldn't move forward with criminal charges because there wasn't any evidence. The cases were strictly his word against theirs with the only real proof being the high number of women accusing him of it. I don't think a court determining there's no real evidence to convict someone beyond reasonable doubt is the same thing as the court seeing no basis in the allegations though.
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Re: Deshaun Watson. From likely Ring of Honor to only dishonor.
Aug 2, 2022, 5:44 PM
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point of clarification: there are no accusations of him pulling his towel down, unless you mean towel fell off or rolled over and was naked.... Then there are the forgotten 18 who said he was a perfect gentlemen, but they did not want any money so they don;t matter...
There are some bizarre claims in the complaints, which read like they are all from a template and coached responses.
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Re: Deshaun Watson. From likely Ring of Honor to only dishonor.
Aug 2, 2022, 5:59 PM
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Problem with all of this is there are a lot of assumptions being made. You assume he did things to these women to imply he wanted something more than a massage. Your assumption is based on the fact that multiple people came forward with these allegations. Everyone of these people will be paid substantial amounts of money for their accusations, even though not one could prove any of their accusations. Watson will lose to the perceptions and assumptions of the people who especially hated his success. Dishonor though?!?! I strongly disagree! My question about this is if anyone seriously wanted to see him behind bars why didn't someone set up a sting operation? Why wasn't something done to prove these serious accusations? He (if guilty) should have been easy to expose, yet not one shred of evidence from over 24 violations? Math does not add up.
I only bring this argument up to prove there are more than one perception at play here. More than one opinion and obviously a counter accusation that could be considered in this case. As far as the ROH I seriously doubt he will be nominated anytime soon because of these allegations, but I do believe if this issue doesn't continue to come up in the future, he will be fine and the perception will change back to his favor. Mr. Watson before this was looked upon as an ambassador of Clemson University, for his stature as a citizen as much as his play on the football field. There is no reason in this day and age if he maintains that image and does not face anymore new allegations, he will cement his place into the ROH.
My humble opinion, Go Tigers!
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This is the Kind of Attitude Sickening The Nation
Aug 2, 2022, 8:37 AM
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DW4 made a huge mistake in judgement and is has/is paying for it. He likely has done far more good in his life than any of the Tnet Trolls and does not get any grace from us.
Who knows what the guy will do with the rest of his life and what good he may bring. The vampires should hope the internet never comes to dig up all the crap they have done.
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Re: Deshaun Watson. From likely Ring of Honor to only dishonor.
Aug 2, 2022, 8:47 AM
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I'll admit I haven't followed the Watson situation as close as some of you. My question is exactly what did he do that was against the law? Apparently nothing since there's no charges against him. It seems everything he did was consensual. No doubt he made morally bad choices but to be treated like a rapist or a murderer seems over the top. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Re: Deshaun Watson. From likely Ring of Honor to only dishonor.
Aug 2, 2022, 8:52 AM
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I think the appropriate way to look at the legal situation is there was not enough evidence to charge him with a crime. Its a little different than nothing illegal. Its she said he did and he said he didn't but not enough evidence to charge him with a crime.
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Re: Deshaun Watson. From likely Ring of Honor to only dishonor.
Aug 2, 2022, 8:57 AM
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It will take him a while to make the Ring of Honor but he'll be there as long as he keeps "nose clean" and rebuilds the trust. I may not be around to see it but it will happen.
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Re: Deshaun Watson. From likely Ring of Honor to only dishonor.
Aug 2, 2022, 9:06 AM
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Yes, Deshaun is a sad case. Fame and fortune is only as good as the person that has it. Human beings change and sometimes that change is for the worse and not the better. Time will tell if he has a great career but I can only hope he becomes a better man and does good things in his life.
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If DW4’s personal behavior from this point is stellar, then just put this in the rear view mirror.
Aug 2, 2022, 9:14 AM
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All alleged incidents were found to be non-violent. Maybe some “violation” of a private enterprise’s “code of conduct.” That’s the NFL case. It should be noted that the NFL does not hold owners and even coaches to the same code standards and that the standards appear to be fluid.
Regarding the civil cases, seems to be financially driven. Regarding criminal cases, two grand juries did not find sufficient evidence of criminal actions to indict.
DW4 has a promising future and his legacy still to be determined.
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Re: Deshaun Watson. From likely Ring of Honor to only dishonor.
Aug 2, 2022, 9:46 AM
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Don’t be so fickle. Scandals have a short half-life. Memories are short as well. Most of us have forgotten D Ford’s shortcomings and remember only his triumphs. And that’s how it should be. DW will learn and grow from this. Hopefully into a better man. Glad that I’m not judged on by my worst days!!!
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He may never make the Ring of Honor... BUT
Aug 2, 2022, 10:06 AM
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based on the likely results of all of this he DOES have a chance to turn his image around on and off the field.... and make all this an unpleasant blip. He could keep his nose clean, do good work in the community, and don't be stupid anymore and eventually he could have a decent return to prominence
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Re: Deshaun Watson. From likely Ring of Honor to only dishonor.
Aug 2, 2022, 10:56 AM
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Gotta agree with you '92
NO matter what, He'll not be in HOF.
I said HOF. I meant ring of honor
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Ray Lewis is in the Hall of Fame
Aug 2, 2022, 10:59 AM
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I don't think Deshaun murdered any of those women, so he should be fine.
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Re: Deshaun Watson. From likely Ring of Honor to only dishonor.
Aug 2, 2022, 5:14 PM
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that explains his categorical denial.... got it.
He wins a super bowl no one will remember any of it... except maybe you.
He is always welcome in Death Valley...
He made some mistakes in judgement... no doubt, that is a far cry from "dishonor"...
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Re: Deshaun Watson. From likely Ring of Honor to only dishonor.
Aug 2, 2022, 5:20 PM
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Kobe(RIP) Got inducted into HOF, HS Jersey retired etc...
Aug 2, 2022, 8:56 PM
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Roethlisberger future HOF, HS/College jersey retired etc......
I don't think DW4 Will excluded from the ROH....
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