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If Brad is not fired, we owe Tommy Bowden an apology
Mar 10, 2022, 12:53 PM
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Why is mediocrity acceptable for one but not the other? Why is one held to a higher standard than the other? 12 years is long enough. FIRE BRAD!
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They will say money
Mar 10, 2022, 12:56 PM
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And Tommy West.***
Mar 10, 2022, 12:59 PM
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Re: If Brad is not fired, we owe Tommy Bowden an apology
Mar 10, 2022, 1:02 PM
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Are you really moronic enough to not see the difference between clemson football and clemson basketball? If not i dont know what to tell ya
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Re: If Brad is not fired, we owe Tommy Bowden an apology
Mar 10, 2022, 1:07 PM
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There's a difference but are you guys so beaten down by past history that you just accept mediocrity? Why the push back on attempting to get the best coach possible that can win the ACC? Why do so many act like it can't happen at Clemson?
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Exactly! I'm not sure if it is some kind of wierd, unnatural
Mar 10, 2022, 1:23 PM
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attachment to Brad Brownell, but there are definitely members of the Clemson "fan" community who are highly resistant to replacing a coach who has produced undeniably mediocre results over a long period of time in favor of taking a calculated risk on a new coach that may provide better results (like schools do all of the time, like we have done before, and like we have done in other sports). It's really, really strange.
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Re: Exactly! I'm not sure if it is some kind of wierd, unnatural
Mar 10, 2022, 1:40 PM
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attachment to Brad Brownell, but there are definitely members of the Clemson "fan" community who are highly resistant to replacing a coach who has produced undeniably mediocre results over a long period of time in favor of taking a calculated risk on a new coach that may provide better results (like schools do all of the time, like we have done before, and like we have done in other sports). It's really, really strange.
As has been explained multiple times (guess you missed it) no one is resistant to replacing a coach if we do the other things required to make them successful. If the only thing we change is coach they will either a) fail miserably or b) do well and get out as quickly as possible. Either way our program is in shambles in 3-4 years. What we have now is stability and a winning record yet you seem to prefer shambles for the sake of change. Not sure I understand your logic.
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u don't know that
Mar 10, 2022, 2:17 PM
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Either way our program is in shambles in 3-4 years
same things were said about BOwden and Jack's is last 2-3 years. Same were said when Dabo was given the job.
It is always a gamble for sure but you can't say for sure it will be bad or good. Only thing you can say for sure is it will be different.
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Re: If Brad is not fired, we owe Tommy Bowden an apology
Mar 10, 2022, 2:04 PM
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jstone is just a troll here - same broken record nonsense and name calling just trying to get a rise out of folks. Not sure the motivation, though it could be that it's some type of reverse psychology at hand? Regurgitate the same defeatist talking points over and over to make the Brownell apologist narrative ever that much more repellent? I might actually be impressed by that.
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Re: If Brad is not fired, we owe Tommy Bowden an apology
Mar 10, 2022, 1:03 PM
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You are a complete idiot if you think the situations are comparable.
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Re: If Brad is not fired, we owe Tommy Bowden an apology
Mar 10, 2022, 1:08 PM
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Why did Duke keep Dave Cutcliff in football with far worse results than brownell has had in basketball?
That's a more similar comparison.
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They didn't keep him, he's gone.***
Mar 10, 2022, 1:25 PM
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Fair enough, and the answer is easy.
Mar 10, 2022, 2:12 PM
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The powers that be at Duke place a lower priority on football, and having a weak football program is no big deal to them or their fan base.
We are in a similar situatuation at Clemson. The powers that be made a positive move with a 64 million dollar upgrade to Littlejohn, but 6 years later, it has yet to pay off in an improved brand of basketball. So, it's time for the BOT and the AD to show, are we Duke Football, or are they serious about basketball?
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Re: If Brad is not fired, we owe Tommy Bowden an apology
Mar 10, 2022, 2:29 PM
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I'll bite.
Cutcliffe took over the worst team in all of college football in 2008. Their two-year record leading in was, wait for it, 1-23. Brownell took over a winning program on the heels of 3 straight, count it, 3 straight NCAA tournament appearances.
Cutcliffe led Duke to 6 bowl games in 13 years, equaling the number of bowl games the program had EVER made in their entire history leading up. Brad has nowhere near that kind of accomplishment though our prior history has also largely been middling.
Cutcliffe won more games in 4 individual seasons than his two predecessors had mustered over their entire 5-year coaching spans. His win % was nearly 4x greater than those two predecessors, and 50% greater than the two prior to that. Outside of Spurrier, you have to go back to the 1960's to find a Duke coach with a better coaching record. Brownell has performed worse than every Clemson coach since the 80's not named Shyatt.
Cutcliffe led Duke to an ACC title game. Brownell has, uh, not.
When Cutcliffe's results no longer matched his high points, Duke and he parted ways.
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Re: If Brad is not fired, we owe Tommy Bowden an apology
Mar 10, 2022, 2:51 PM
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Why did Duke keep Dave Cutcliff in football with far worse results than brownell has had in basketball?
That's a more similar comparison.
And being ok with Clemson Basketball = Duke Football is exactly the problem.
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Re: If Brad is not fired, we owe Tommy Bowden an apology
Mar 10, 2022, 1:48 PM
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At the end of the day, everything comes down to recruiting and getting the right talent to come to Clemson. I don't think they fire Brownell until they have a replacement in the wings who is going to be good enough to attract talent who wants to play for him at Clemson. That is kind of what we saw when Rick Barnes came to town but it also left town when he left.
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Re: If Brad is not fired, we owe Tommy Bowden an apology
Mar 10, 2022, 6:02 PM
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Exactly
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Lunatic fringe
Mar 10, 2022, 6:32 PM
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just can’t let it go. Basketball is in good hands. I hope the new gymnastics coach is tough. Lunatic fringe will be wanting to fire him/her after one meet. If it’s not football, Clemson fans have no interest
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Sorry you couldn't come on and throw another hissy fit
Mar 10, 2022, 7:14 PM
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last night after a win. We sure made it pretty close, though. Or did you chalk that one up as a moral victory and rant away anyway?
It's okay, though. Considering what a great fan and basketball guru you obviously are, you will still be back in Littlejohn supporting our new guy. Hopefully many who have tired of Brown L's program suffocating tenure and lost interest over these past twelve years, the length of a full Chinese Zodiac cycle, will start turning back out also, and we can get back to the days where Rock the John is more than just a hashtag phrase.
Go Tigers.
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Re: Lunatic fringe
Mar 10, 2022, 7:41 PM
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So, in your mind, a single meet in gymnastics equals twelve years and roughly 400 basketball games? Not sure why you even bother to comment on a sport you obviously hold in such low regard.
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Re: If Brad is not fired, we owe Tommy Bowden an apology
Mar 10, 2022, 7:36 PM
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Good point
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